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roadrage639 Caldari Vita.	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:58:00 - [1] How are people getting like 60k armor with just 3 platers + 3 tri marks or a abaddon? http://www.pic-upload.de/22.10.07/zs93x4.jpg Originally by: Undercover Palmtree Corp thief, do not join. Any blue prints or ships you give him he will steal. Look at his corp history and you'll see what I mean.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:00:00 - [2] Slave implants?
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 03:35:00 - [3] 3 plates 2 eanm 2 heat sinks 3 trimark II's and HG slaves gives like 80k armor :D
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:43:00 - [4] No MWD? That pilot fails.
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. Meatwad FTW
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:31:00 - [6] Originally by: roadrage639 How are people getting like 60k armor with just 3 platers + 3 tri marks or a abaddon? http://www.pic-upload.de/22.10.07/zs93x4.jpg Yeah seems the pilot got quite low skills, as he should have 67K with a snake set. 72,471 armor hp a pilot can get at max skill with implants solo. __ - click here -
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. One day, you'll land in a bubble or some kms from a gate. That day, you'd wish you had one fitted. Further response is useless.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. One day, you'll land in a bubble or some kms from a gate. That day, you'd wish you had one fitted. Further response is useless. Then you dont know how to use a plated abaddon. MWD on it is a big no no.
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. One day, you'll land in a bubble or some kms from a gate. That day, you'd wish you had one fitted. Further response is useless. Then you dont know how to use a plated abaddon. MWD on it is a big no no. Sorry, then you are not into PvP :) MP setup without MWD is a no-go. __ - click here -
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Hydrogen Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. One day, you'll land in a bubble or some kms from a gate. That day, you'd wish you had one fitted. Further response is useless. Then you dont know how to use a plated abaddon. MWD on it is a big no no. Sorry, then you are not into PvP :) MP setup without MWD is a no-go. No I think youre the one that hasnt flown an abaddon...
Entity One	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:28:00 - [11] Anyone who fits an MWD on a non-fleet abaddon should be shot. It's not as crucial as it is on other short-range setups, abbadons with MP IIs have exceptional striking distance with a few crystal swaps. Not to mention it absolutely murders an already vulnerable capacitor.
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Entity One Anyone who fits an MWD on a non-fleet abaddon should be shot. It's not as crucial as it is on other short-range setups, abbadons with MP IIs have exceptional striking distance with a few crystal swaps. Not to mention it absolutely murders an already vulnerable capacitor. QFT also, not all pvp happens in 0.0, so not everyone has to worry about bubbles. but seriously, mwd isnt necessary for a ship that can hit out to what, 45km with its short range guns? yeah, someone might agress you on a gate, but you'll kill them if theyre solo, and if its a gatecamp and you didnt scout you deserve to lose your ship. there are more creative and effective ways to fit your ship than what everyone deems to be 'essential' modules, and amarr isnt gallente light where a mwd is needed to get in range anyways. lrn2flylazorboats. Meatwad FTW
William DeMeo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:44:00 - [13] They got slaves yeah. Yarr
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Hydrogen Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. One day, you'll land in a bubble or some kms from a gate. That day, you'd wish you had one fitted. Further response is useless. Then you dont know how to use a plated abaddon. MWD on it is a big no no. Sorry, then you are not into PvP :) MP setup without MWD is a no-go. No I think youre the one that hasnt flown an abaddon... Apparently you do not even know, what a MP setup is. And no MP does not mean Mega Pulse here. Please just stop posting wrong information, when you do not know, what you are talking about. __ - click here -
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Hydrogen Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Hydrogen Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Markus Aurelian Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. fitting a mwd on a full passive plate setup fails. its not like you'd be catching anything anyways, and setups like that are not made to be agile or to travel well. you're better off fitting dual injectors, scram+web, or an injector and a sensor booster/eccm. One day, you'll land in a bubble or some kms from a gate. That day, you'd wish you had one fitted. Further response is useless. Then you dont know how to use a plated abaddon. MWD on it is a big no no. Sorry, then you are not into PvP :) MP setup without MWD is a no-go. No I think youre the one that hasnt flown an abaddon... Apparently you do not even know, what a MP setup is. And no MP does not mean Mega Pulse here. Please just stop posting wrong information, when you do not know, what you are talking about. or you could stop being so arrogant and stop gloating over your knowledge of a vague acronym which when normally used in reference to amarr, is generally accepted to be megapulse. this is ships & modules, not an arena to gloat over your uber l33t skills. Meatwad FTW
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Entity One Anyone who fits an MWD on a non-fleet abaddon should be shot. It's not as crucial as it is on other short-range setups, abbadons with MP IIs have exceptional striking distance with a few crystal swaps. Not to mention it absolutely murders an already vulnerable capacitor. This does not exclude you from being bumped off gates, being scrammed and left to die slowly.
firewalker220	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:17:00 - [17] isnt that screenie from armageddon day? but yes slaves
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:36:00 - [18] Edited by: Hydrogen on 30/10/2007 13:40:26 Originally by: Markus Aurelian or you could stop being so arrogant and stop gloating over your knowledge of a vague acronym which when normally used in reference to amarr, is generally accepted to be megapulse. this is ships & modules, not an arena to gloat over your uber l33t skills. "No I think youre the one that hasnt flown an abaddon..." is arrogant and based on lack of knowledge. Showing that this statement of Lyria was based out of cluelessness is hardly arrogant. Either know what you are talking about or restrain from posting - that is a golden rule of thumb. Lydia failed in both. That said, MasterPlan setup is familiar stuff and hardly vague when you do PvP. __ - click here -
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Hydrogen Apparently you do not even know, what a MP setup is. And no MP does not mean Mega Pulse here. MP is widely known as mega pulse and 99% of the people who read your post would understand it as that. You got a point to make? If not Ill make you my nr 1 troll and fetch some magic cookies for ya.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Hydrogen Edited by: Hydrogen on 30/10/2007 13:40:26 Originally by: Markus Aurelian or you could stop being so arrogant and stop gloating over your knowledge of a vague acronym which when normally used in reference to amarr, is generally accepted to be megapulse. this is ships & modules, not an arena to gloat over your uber l33t skills. "No I think youre the one that hasnt flown an abaddon..." is arrogant and based on lack of knowledge. Showing that this statement of Lyria was based out of cluelessness is hardly arrogant. Either know what you are talking about or restrain from posting - that is a golden rule of thumb. Lydia failed in both. That said, MasterPlan setup is familiar stuff and hardly vague when you do PvP. Im sure its FS and HV when you PVP. But youre just HTT. I think youre the one that FM. gg.
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Hydrogen Apparently you do not even know, what a MP setup is. And no MP does not mean Mega Pulse here. MP is widely known as mega pulse and 99% of the people who read your post would understand it as that. You got a point to make? If not Ill make you my nr 1 troll and fetch some magic cookies for ya. Snappy after one showed that you are clueless? What is next? Crying, name-calling or insulting? None stopped you from answering reasonably. Nope, you needed to start the trolling. Swallow your own medicine and learn you deserved it. __ - click here -
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Im sure its FS and HV when you PVP. But youre just HTT. I think youre the one that FM. gg. How predictable on the snappy part ;) __ - click here -
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Hydrogen Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Hydrogen Apparently you do not even know, what a MP setup is. And no MP does not mean Mega Pulse here. MP is widely known as mega pulse and 99% of the people who read your post would understand it as that. You got a point to make? If not Ill make you my nr 1 troll and fetch some magic cookies for ya. Snappy after one showed that you are clueless? What is next? Crying, name-calling or insulting? None stopped you from answering reasonably. Nope, you needed to start the trolling. Swallow your own medicine and learn you deserved it. Oh noes I got internet-bullied. I haz got to criez now ebil troll. Not so great being gallente anymore?
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Oh noes I got internet-bullied. I haz got to criez now ebil troll. Not so great being gallente anymore? Now comes the whining? __ - click here -
Demje	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:20:00 - [25] I happen to agree, whoever uses an MWD with a plate fitted ship is a tard. you're losing tons of maximum speed with all that mass fitted on the ship, if you really wanted to counteract the plates you would put half plate and half nanofiber or something, but thats still a bit daft. plating a ship up gives rise to this weakness, its freakin designed this way by CCP, thats why theres EANM that doesnt give you straight hp but gives you resists for 0 mass increase. people need to read what MWDs are affected by and what plates do to your ship's mass imo.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Xequecal No MWD? That pilot fails. mwd+ amarr ships, the most cap hungry monster floating about in space = fail you tard --------------------------- Originally by: eddie valvetino little small voice in the back of my head i've ignored all summer now screams "BLOW SOMETHING UP!!!!!!!!! M***R FCKER!!!!!!"
Tibullus	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Hydrogen That said, MasterPlan setup is familiar stuff and hardly vague when you do PvP. Yeah. I can't believe more people don't know about MasterPlan set-up. It's familiar stuff. Honestly.[/sarcasm] You might be talking crap, you might not. But what you're posting certainly isn't helpful for a lot of people so you might consider taking the time to explain yourself in future. You are posting to help other people right?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Demje I happen to agree, whoever uses an MWD with a plate fitted ship is a tard. you're losing tons of maximum speed with all that mass fitted on the ship, if you really wanted to counteract the plates you would put half plate and half nanofiber or something, but thats still a bit daft. plating a ship up gives rise to this weakness, its freakin designed this way by CCP, thats why theres EANM that doesnt give you straight hp but gives you resists for 0 mass increase. people need to read what MWDs are affected by and what plates do to your ship's mass imo. Not that it matters, but I prefer to be a tard and go 1300m/s in a 24k armor Tempest and probably go 800m/s in an equivalent Abbadon fit, than be the laugh of the stock when landing a few km short of the gate while being chased by hostiles and moving 170 or 100 m/s. Take your pick.
Hydrogen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Demje I happen to agree, whoever uses an MWD with a plate fitted ship is a tard. you're losing tons of maximum speed with all that mass fitted on the ship, if you really wanted to counteract the plates you would put half plate and half nanofiber or something, but thats still a bit daft. plating a ship up gives rise to this weakness, its freakin designed this way by CCP, thats why theres EANM that doesnt give you straight hp but gives you resists for 0 mass increase. people need to read what MWDs are affected by and what plates do to your ship's mass imo. A masterplan setup requires a group of bss to be tight together (less than app. 6km, max 8km apart). 1. Due to different speeds you must be able to boost speed. An AB is simply not sufficient to do so. 2. Moving a group of bss within 20km of gate after jump back to gate only works with MWD in reasonable time. 3. MWDing out works with MWD in lag, not with AB. No MWD = dead MP group that easy. Back to the point: Claiming an MWD is obsolete on any plated setup is plain wrong and not true. In plated solo setups this might be an appropriate rule, but imho depends on what you do. __ - click here -
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:32:00 - [30] Id like you to fit a master plan geddon or abaddon, then fly it and then go pick any other races mp setup and fly that and come back and tell me how well the amarr ones worked out.

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