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Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 10	Posted - 2012.01.26 22:27:00 - [1] - Quote The characters that are being used in these tournaments. Are they premade characters with most if not all skills on 5 or are they characters from the live server ? So in other words, is this tournament possible for new players or is it some easymode tournament for the players who started playing since the start?
Arpad Elo Intellectual Wookies 0	Posted - 2012.01.29 19:48:00 - [2] - Quote If you want, you can buy a character to take part in the tourney.
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 10	Posted - 2012.01.30 02:26:00 - [3] - Quote Arpad Elo wrote: If you want, you can buy a character to take part in the tourney. That is not really the option im looking for. Spending 60 billion or so to match some players their skillpoints is a bit to much. Since there isnt really anyone who can give me a clear answer to this i must assume that i was correct. That the alliance tournament is nothing more then a easymode get together of the higher sp players and that new players have no chance in these tournaments.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Angry Mustellid 86	Posted - 2012.01.30 11:20:00 - [4] - Quote Daisai wrote: Arpad Elo wrote: If you want, you can buy a character to take part in the tourney. That is not really the option im looking for. Spending 60 billion or so to match some players their skillpoints is a bit to much. Since there isnt really anyone who can give me a clear answer to this i must assume that i was correct. That the alliance tournament is nothing more then a easymode get together of the higher sp players and that new players have no chance in these tournaments. No its not. If it were so easy you wouldn't mind about that last 2% would you? I'm sure your superior pilot skills would happily push you through to the final. If you think you NEED max skills to take part you still only need them for the ship you are flying. It is relatively quick to get max skills for a frigate or similar, keres, thrasher, daredevil and griffin are all example of common alliance tournament ships that could be flown by low SP characters. These characters are also fairly cheap if you don't want to train them. I'm sure there are pilots in the character bazaar for under 5bn that could happily take part in the alliance tournament. You have been told how it is and have been given a solution to the problem. Stop moaning.
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 10	Posted - 2012.01.30 16:51:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah i suppose i can gimp the team by flying something which dies in a few seconds. Anyway i got the answer to my question and to bad that a game which is about pvp cant properly organize a good pvp tournament.
Raivi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 39	Posted - 2012.01.31 20:25:00 - [6] - Quote I can tell you that the first time I participated in a tournament match it was with a character with about 7m sp. And I loved it. I know of at least one team that managed to be serious contenders with an average sp around 14m. To win the tournament you probably want your pilots to have very high skills in the particular ship they're flying (which for some popular tournament ships like Thrashers, Sabres or EAFs doesn't take a ton of SP) but you don't need max skills to have a fairly competitive team that can have fun and put on a great show.
Boma Airaken Seekers of a Silent Paradise 8	Posted - 2012.02.07 13:20:00 - [7] - Quote If you think there is anything easy about the tournament, you are an idiot.
Ynot Eyob Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front 57	Posted - 2012.02.09 11:18:00 - [8] - Quote Live people live server, everyone can join who have an alliance taking part. The rules changes from year to year regarding how long you have to have been a part of this alliance. Last year i belive it was 6 months. Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 95	Posted - 2012.02.11 09:56:00 - [9] - Quote Daisai wrote: Yeah i suppose i can gimp the team by flying something which dies in a few seconds. Anyway i got the answer to my question and to bad that a game which is about pvp cant properly organize a good pvp tournament. Sounds like you are jealous. Many Implants and modules are already banned from the tournament (No doubt you'd be whining if you had to spend 5bn on fits and implants as well if you can't afford a character) Remove any more variation and you might as well just have everyone in the same ship with the same fit,
Roosterton Syndicalis Immortalis 320	Posted - 2012.02.11 16:53:00 - [10] - Quote Daisai wrote: Yeah i suppose i can gimp the team by flying something which dies in a few seconds. Anyway i got the answer to my question and to bad that a game which is about pvp cant properly organize a good pvp tournament. yep you're right, all those teams which use spare thrashers/dramiels/daredevils/sabres don't exist, everyone in the alliance tournament flies billion isk pimped battleships with 100m+ sp.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 529	Posted - 2012.02.14 12:09:00 - [11] - Quote Daisai wrote: Arpad Elo wrote: If you want, you can buy a character to take part in the tourney. That is not really the option im looking for. Spending 60 billion or so to match some players their skillpoints is a bit to much. Since there isnt really anyone who can give me a clear answer to this i must assume that i was correct. That the alliance tournament is nothing more then a easymode get together of the higher sp players and that new players have no chance in these tournaments. LOL You and your team of new players would fail miserably, I predict, not because you don't have sufficient character skills, but because you lack personal skill at Eve all around. Eve doesn't coddle those with defeatist attitudes like yours, nor does it reward those with the most skill points and the most isk to waste. It takes actual piloting talent, skillful team design, good communication and excellent execution to win the alliance tournaments. To answer your questions more directly, the tournaments are held with your live server characters on the live server, and every ship you use on your team is supplied by your own isk. (And don't forget the entry fee your alliance has to fork over) Good luck whining your way to success in Eve. Easymode... LOL This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
Frodo Teabaggins 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 1	Posted - 2012.02.21 10:28:00 - [12] - Quote This thread is really going places huh. Bottom line is you need real skill, a character that is tasked for the role you are asked to perform perfectly, and a team player attitude. That is, if you are in an alliance that takes the AT seriously. If you aren't and want to be, do something about it or start training salvaging 5.
Tallian Saotome Fractured Core Fatal Ascension 400	Posted - 2012.02.21 10:55:00 - [13] - Quote perhaps, before saying that small ships are useless/unused in the AT, you should instead look at all the old footage, and see the devastating potential of ewar frigs. Remember, they use a point based system, and by loading half the team with frigs, they have extra points to overload the other half with high value ships. If you are good(as a player, not in SP) and able to fly that frigate well(this is the only part that needs SP, not much to max out a frig, even T2) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Slumber Hawk Shadow on the moon 6	Posted - 2012.02.24 17:05:00 - [14] - Quote its possible to get a spot in the AT very easily. I'll explain it in easy to do steps: - Create a character in EVE - Create a Corporation - Create an Alliance - Buy a tournament placement at auctioning time Don't ask me the costs though. But anyone can join the AT if they really want to. Soloing should get you at least a front row seat twice. If you manage a full complement of rookies, who knows how far you get. Miracles are born out of terrible bad odds. You could create one your own and be the buzz for years. Cheers, Good luck with AT if you decide to go for Yes we can
Dark Magni Slackerz United 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 14:17:00 - [15] - Quote dude... a newb pilot with 6 mil sp can realllt tear crap up and make the difference between you losing and wining... I fly with pilots that can barebly fly t2 frigs of their race that are amazing PvP players. You have to Know how to play the game, how to anticipate your opponents moves, its like the board game risk with space ships.... i think most of the alliance tourny's pilots are in the 40 -60 mil sps range, or they have a couple of 40 - 60+ toons an the rest just have what they have! there is like 17 weeks till the tounry,,, start training all those skills you might need. BTW you can only have one Flagship BS (pimped to heck). There is a point system. command ships and t3's = 16 points so if you have a 5 or 10 man gang and they give you 75 points you will have a use for those low SP characters.
Ladel Teravada Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 0	Posted - 2012.03.06 16:28:00 - [16] - Quote Its been said before, but we've been in like 5 or 6 tournaments so far and made the playoffs everytime except the first (which our move into finals ended with two of our CARACAL pilots mwding out of arena range as they were killing the last ship). Fun thing? We've had people who had been in game for like a month fly with us and win. EvE often catches flak for not being a place to begin anew in.. but that is honestly just bullshit. You can get as good skills as me in a Taranis in like 2-3 months of playing and I count my solokills in that ship in the hundreds. SP is far from everything.. It gives those little edges I agree, but a good solid setup of t1 ships in low-mid sp can kill any high sp t3 setup in this format if your intel/luck is good and you get a nice counter. Alliance Tournament is quite beautiful this way. TLDR: You can spend like 1.6b total on ships and implants for an entire team of low-mid SP folks and still make the playoffs
ScoRpS 0utbreak Outbreak. 13	Posted - 2012.03.10 06:40:00 - [17] - Quote If a player has focused sp he/she only needs 25 mil sp or so to be really competitive. So an 18 month to 2 year old char properly trained can fill a valid role in an AT team. Of course more is always better.
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 11	Posted - 2012.03.12 12:18:00 - [18] - Quote ScoRpS wrote: If a player has focused sp he/she only needs 25 mil sp or so to be really competitive. So an 18 month to 2 year old char properly trained can fill a valid role in an AT team. Of course more is always better. And also 2 years is a pretty long time and 25mil sp therefor is alot. For a tournament to be succesfull you need to allow to have every team of that tournament have the same abilitlies and options as any other. So allowing them to setup their fleet setup without first having to wait 6 months to a year to fully skill all relevant skills to 5. But if CCP doesnt want to change anything about this then basicly what you will have is a tournament about skillpoints which it is now.
Willl Adama Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 141	Posted - 2012.03.12 13:01:00 - [19] - Quote I'm not saying that skill points are irrelevant, but you really shouldn't think that having more skill points than other players is a free ticket to anything in the AT (or in the rest of eve for that matter). No amount of skill points will save you from losing in this game if you don't know what you are doing. It's not a coincidence that it's been the same few alliances that has been dominating the tournament over the last years, and I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with sp whatsoever. It's true that you don't go and win the AT with a bunch of 3 week old characters (played by people who has played the game for 3 weeks), but then again you wouldn't win either way if those same players had maxed skills. oh, btw. Some of the frequetly used ships in many succesful tournament setups don't take much SP at all to be used to their full potential. Destroyers for example, and interdictors/EAFS aren't too bad either. Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 11	Posted - 2012.03.12 14:22:00 - [20] - Quote Willl Adama wrote: I'm not saying that skill points are irrelevant, but you really shouldn't think that having more skill points than other players is a free ticket to anything in the AT (or in the rest of eve for that matter). No amount of skill points will save you from losing in this game if you don't know what you are doing. It's not a coincidence that it's been the same few alliances that has been dominating the tournament over the last years, and I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with sp whatsoever. It's true that you don't go and win the AT with a bunch of 3 week old characters (played by people who has played the game for 3 weeks), but then again you wouldn't win either way if those same players had maxed skills. oh, btw. Some of the frequetly used ships in many succesful tournament setups don't take much SP at all to be used to their full potential. Destroyers for example, and interdictors/EAFS aren't too bad either. Destroyer or frigate fitted with all skills on 5 so thats also the support skills and navigation skills take around 430 days to learn. So much for not taking to long to train for a small ship. And sure if you dont know what to do you will loss anyway, i also sometimes see players who have older characters then me who dont know how to fit their ships. Only when you have 2 players/teams fighting eachother and their setup is the same and they basicly know what to do. Having a character in your team with lvl 3 skills for their ship will basicly bottleneck the performance of the team.
Willl Adama Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 144	Posted - 2012.03.12 14:47:00 - [21] - Quote Daisai wrote: Willl Adama wrote: I'm not saying that skill points are irrelevant, but you really shouldn't think that having more skill points than other players is a free ticket to anything in the AT (or in the rest of eve for that matter). No amount of skill points will save you from losing in this game if you don't know what you are doing. It's not a coincidence that it's been the same few alliances that has been dominating the tournament over the last years, and I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with sp whatsoever. It's true that you don't go and win the AT with a bunch of 3 week old characters (played by people who has played the game for 3 weeks), but then again you wouldn't win either way if those same players had maxed skills. oh, btw. Some of the frequetly used ships in many succesful tournament setups don't take much SP at all to be used to their full potential. Destroyers for example, and interdictors/EAFS aren't too bad either. Destroyer or frigate fitted with all skills on 5 so thats also the support skills and navigation skills take around 430 days to learn. So much for not taking to long to train for a small ship. And sure if you dont know what to do you will loss anyway, i also sometimes see players who have older characters then me who dont know how to fit their ships. Only when you have 2 players/teams fighting eachother and their setup is the same and they basicly know what to do. Having a character in your team with lvl 3 skills for their ship will basicly bottleneck the performance of the team. I don't know why you think you'd need every single support skill at lvl 5 in order to be effective. My own sp distribution is one hell of a mess although I do have a decent amount (like 45m probably) but I don't have perfect skills at all for any ship in the game, yet I don't recall a single situation where I can blame a loss on lack of SP (even when I had way less of it). I would honestly be more comfortable being in a match where i could pick 9 players from my corp/alliance playing on alts with half the sp or less of our opposition than playing alongside 9 random people with max sp Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 11	Posted - 2012.03.12 14:52:00 - [22] - Quote Because at high end pvp you want to have every single bit of advantage you can get.
Dhakgar Next Gen Technology Next Generation Alliance 5	Posted - 2012.03.18 09:53:00 - [23] - Quote Daisai wrote: Because at high end pvp you want to have every single bit of advantage you can get. the guy from hydra obviously doesnt know what pvp is. :3
Daisai Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics 12	Posted - 2012.03.19 04:20:00 - [24] - Quote For logi's in a pvp battle you need logi 5 to be succesfull, you cant show up with logi lvl 2 for example and expect to be succesfull no matter how you play. For reconships you also want at least level 4 recon if not 5 due to the range of heavy neuts on battleships. Those are just 2 examples i can think of by ships i fly when i try to find pvp in this game. Both those skills take around 25 days to learn which is a very long time.
Ishanmae Binding Energy 2	Posted - 2012.04.05 09:23:00 - [25] - Quote Daisai wrote: Because at high end pvp you want to have every single bit of advantage you can get. Have you even bothered to check whom you were replying to? Do check the website EveIsEasy from his sig, and you'll see that player skill matters much more than the difference between lvl 4 and lvl 5 skills. (Btw Willl, great job on those vids!) I agree that training skills to level 5 is time consuming, but most often, the difference between level 4 and 5 will be marginal. Sure it's worth it... sure it gives you an edge... But as Willl said, the occasions where you can blame your ship going kaboom on your SP are rare enough! Now, don't take my word for it, I've had very little time to spend in EVE for a long while, and have very little PvP experience. But if you check previous footage of the AT, you'll see that most of the wins could be attributed to either meta-gaming (or good guessing skills, who knows?!?) resulting in bringing the exact counter to the other team, or to appropriate tactical choices.
valerydarcy Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes 68	Posted - 2012.04.06 14:43:00 - [26] - Quote Daisai wrote: Arpad Elo wrote: If you want, you can buy a character to take part in the tourney. That is not really the option im looking for. Spending 60 billion or so to match some players their skillpoints is a bit to much. Since there isnt really anyone who can give me a clear answer to this i must assume that i was correct. That the alliance tournament is nothing more then a easymode get together of the higher sp players and that new players have no chance in these tournaments. why dont you partaking in the 2012 olympics whilst youre at it? oh yea, because the athletes dedicate years of their lives in order to reach the required standard. same applies here. not to say low skilled pilots cant partake, they just wont necessarily do as well as those that have played and gained experience over many years. such is life. Post with your mainGäó
David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 196	Posted - 2012.04.06 17:13:00 - [27] - Quote I like how a player whining about SP is here to tell higher SP players how it is to play the game at higher SP.
Daisai Daisai Investments. 43	Posted - 2012.04.06 20:27:00 - [28] - Quote valerydarcy wrote: Daisai wrote: Arpad Elo wrote: If you want, you can buy a character to take part in the tourney. That is not really the option im looking for. Spending 60 billion or so to match some players their skillpoints is a bit to much. Since there isnt really anyone who can give me a clear answer to this i must assume that i was correct. That the alliance tournament is nothing more then a easymode get together of the higher sp players and that new players have no chance in these tournaments. why dont you partaking in the 2012 olympics whilst youre at it? oh yea, because the athletes dedicate years of their lives in order to reach the required standard. same applies here. not to say low skilled pilots cant partake, they just wont necessarily do as well as those that have played and gained experience over many years. such is life. That reply of your is so full of **** i just had to reply to it. First of in real life if you are going to compare a game to it, the result in the ending of a match also depends on the dedication a player gives to the training. So the more practice the faster a certain skill gets improved. This is not the case in eve online where you can afk in a station for 6 years and basicly reach the same amount of skillpoints and fly the same ships as a player who actively pvp's. So this is not real life so dont start bullshiting and compare a game like eve to real life. And about David Cedarbridge his post. Your post kinda contradicts what the people who disagree with me are trying to say. Your post now says that amount SP does matter. And im not only saying how pvp is in eve online at higher SP im saying after years of experience in high end gaming how high end gaming works.
David Cedarbridge Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 196	Posted - 2012.04.06 20:46:00 - [29] - Quote Daisai wrote: And about David Cedarbridge his post. Your post kinda contradicts what the people who disagree with me are trying to say. Your post now says that amount SP does matter. And im not only saying how pvp is in eve online at higher SP im saying after years of experience in high end gaming how high end gaming works. I'm glad you're capable of handling points of view that are not all the same. :rolleyes: My point is that you do not seem to have a real concept of how skill points actually impact combat and gameplay. Yet, for some reason, you feel the need to lecture people on how oppressed you feel by people who have more than you do. Either way around, you're a bit too excited about things and this thread in general. I'd suggest you take a step back and consider why you feel that a character who cannot invest a month worth of SP into training a ship to what you seem to think is an "adequate" level for this tournament, should be able to participate at the same level as others before you start acting entitled.
Daisai Daisai Investments. 43	Posted - 2012.04.06 20:54:00 - [30] - Quote David Cedarbridge wrote: Daisai wrote: And about David Cedarbridge his post. Your post kinda contradicts what the people who disagree with me are trying to say. Your post now says that amount SP does matter. And im not only saying how pvp is in eve online at higher SP im saying after years of experience in high end gaming how high end gaming works. I'm glad you're capable of handling points of view that are not all the same. :rolleyes: My point is that you do not seem to have a real concept of how skill points actually impact combat and gameplay. Yet, for some reason, you feel the need to lecture people on how oppressed you feel by people who have more than you do. Either way around, you're a bit too excited about things and this thread in general. I'd suggest you take a step back and consider why you feel that a character who cannot invest a month worth of SP into training a ship to what you seem to think is an "adequate" level for this tournament, should be able to participate at the same level as others before you start acting entitled. According to your first post i dont need to point out to you examples of how having all skills at 5 give a bigger advantage then players who dont. Since according to your post knowledge of this game is determined by the amount of skillpoints someone has, which is wrong ofc and your post is a clear example of that. Anyway, my question i asked at first is answerd. That is that the characters in the tournament are not setup just for the tournament and therefor new players will not have the same chance as older players.

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