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Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Shandling on 30/10/2007 04:45:25 Just curious where most people stand. Please answer with your choice plus an explanation. Would you rather: A) Fit your ship to gank and/or tank and have a fight with your opponent. B) Fit your ship with ECM/Damps etc. so that your opponent is forced to simply sit there and wait until his tank breaks. Be honest, just curious to see what people are interested in these days... killmails or good fights. Edit: I understand my title is a tad biased... sorry. Fixed, sorta.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:40:00 - [2] You presume that the planning to make your opponent sit there and face their doom is not a good fight. I fit for support roles (primarily ewar and tackle) - always. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Shandling on 30/10/2007 04:44:36 Originally by: Liang Nuren You presume that the planning to make your opponent sit there and face their doom is not a good fight. I fit for support roles (primarily ewar and tackle) - always. Liang I've been on both ends of it, and frankly I find that making your opponent completely unable to fight back is well... boring. If I come out of a fight without a dent, there's no rush, no fun, no danger. I've done plenty of tackling, and that's not quite the same as sitting back and waiting for their tank to break. (One of my fave ships is a Stiletto, and it can be very tense to be locking down a larger ship while the rest of your gang is 2 jumps off, hoping they don't kill you first) Edit: I understand that the idea is to fit to 'win', whatever it takes... but I'd rather go down guns blazing than sitting back, completely invulnerable to my opponent. Maybe I'm just one of a dying breed.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Shandling I've been on both ends of it, and frankly I find that making your opponent completely unable to fight back is well... boring. If I come out of a fight without a dent, there's no rush, no fun, no danger. I've done plenty of tackling, and that's not quite the same as sitting back and waiting for their tank to break. (One of my fave ships is a Stiletto, and it can be very tense to be locking down a larger ship while the rest of your gang is 2 jumps off, hoping they don't kill you first) Hehe, yeah, I did that a couple of nights ago. Poor Drake. ;-) At any rate - there is always a challenge, and there are always ways to fight ewar. I can't count the number of times I've gotten drone aggro in my Arazu and had to warp out or "run away". I agree that it sucks for the guy who gets to sit there and die... but I'm in PVP for one of two reasons: 1) The Ransom 2) The Kill Giving my opponent advantages that they might otherwise have not had is really not all that intelligent of me, as far as "goal based" fighting goes. But, here's some food for thought for you: You have a passive plate-gank Megathron vs a Raven. The Raven fights valliantly, but dies while the Megathron is at quarter armor. The Megathron REALLY wasn't in any danger, now was it? The passive plate MegaT completely outclasses the Raven in every possible way. Is that any different than ECM'ing the Raven and slowly killing it? No, not really. The only difference is that you don't "humiliate" the opponent by not letting them shoot you. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Liang Nuren I agree that it sucks for the guy who gets to sit there and die... but I'm in PVP for one of two reasons: 1) The Ransom 2) The Kill When I get to the point where I'm only killing for the ransom and the kill mail, I'll quit EVE. Just not exciting for me. I can do it, have done it, and was bored out of my mind. (Another reason I hate being in large gangs/fleet warfare, I stay solo or in very small gangs)
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Shandling When I get to the point where I'm only killing for the ransom and the kill mail, I'll quit EVE. Just not exciting for me. I can do it, have done it, and was bored out of my mind. (Another reason I hate being in large gangs/fleet warfare, I stay solo or in very small gangs) You sidestepped my point. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.30 04:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Shandling When I get to the point where I'm only killing for the ransom and the kill mail, I'll quit EVE. Just not exciting for me. I can do it, have done it, and was bored out of my mind. (Another reason I hate being in large gangs/fleet warfare, I stay solo or in very small gangs) You sidestepped my point. Liang Your point being that it's still not really a threat whether you use tactics that make your opponent helpless or actually fight him? No, I didn't sidestep it. I said it was boring.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Shandling Your point being that it's still not really a threat whether you use tactics that make your opponent helpless or actually fight him? No, I didn't sidestep it. I said it was boring. Before I go on, what would make PVP fun for you? I have lots of "snappy" (and usually derogatory) answers for you, but I'd like to know what makes you tick. Just so you know, I really really like the sense of teamwork that a small gang has. I usually FC my gangs, and I love the way my gangs move and operate as a team. I play Eve like it's the CPL. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Leya Marcsson	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Shandling I've been on both ends of it, and frankly I find that making your opponent completely unable to fight back is well... boring. If I come out of a fight without a dent, there's no rush, no fun, no danger In that case I would suggest you to engage multiple targets. :)
Annowyn Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:22:00 - [10] A) Fit your ship to gank and/or tank and have a fight with your opponent. In a ship with extra mids I throw in some ewar to help manage adds. Worth noting that I am solo 80% of the time and in a small (2-5) gang the rest of the time.
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:23:00 - [11] Edited by: Satura on 30/10/2007 05:25:46 Edited by: Satura on 30/10/2007 05:23:26 A) for solo and gangs, maybe a damp in gangs or two. But i am not into EW too much, that might explain it. (edit: free mid slots, i rather fit 1-2 sensor boosters, always helps) Quote: You have a passive plate-gank Megathron vs a Raven. The Raven fights valliantly, but dies while the Megathron is at quarter armor. The Megathron REALLY wasn't in any danger, now was it? The passive plate MegaT completely outclasses the Raven in every possible way. Is that any different than ECM'ing the Raven and slowly killing it? No, not really. The only difference is that you don't "humiliate" the opponent by not letting them shoot you. Liang oh, and this = win. Nice example.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Shandling I've been on both ends of it, and frankly I find that making your opponent completely unable to fight back is well... boring. It's not boring. It's smart. The opposite is boring because then there is no skill, tactics or finesse involved. It's just a measure of firepower versus defense, and the fight consists of turning everything on and then sitting and waiting for who breaks first. If Eve was an FPS game, then you might have somewhat of a point.
Annowyn Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Shandling I've been on both ends of it, and frankly I find that making your opponent completely unable to fight back is well... boring. It's not boring. It's smart. The opposite is boring because then there is no skill, tactics or finesse involved. It's just a measure of firepower versus defense, and the fight consists of turning everything on and then sitting and waiting for who breaks first. If Eve was an FPS game, then you might have somewhat of a point. Not entirely. I find myself outnumbered in most situations, and most likely out SPed (and yes I know SPs mean nothing if you are flying what you should be flying). It turns into a manual range management, dive bombing, piloting at MWD+speed-mod tru asteroids to knock a guy off, etc. kind of game. So it kinda becomes a 3rd person shooter.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:47:00 - [14] Liang, you make good points - you and Guomingdung really understand this game. To Shandling, I think you are going to get bored with eve. Because this is not an FPS type game but a game of calculation. You fit your ships to be able to fight the most number of possible ecounters the best. Speed and ECM are two things that work very well on a wide veriety of ships. Tank and Gank setups were very good in the past when the game did not have the massive ammount of 'depth' in terms of stratagy as it does today. So all in all, you are going for ship setups that allow you to handle a reasonable ammount of damage, put out a reasonable ammount of damage and escape with a little luck. Ships that do these things will inevitably become popular. -----------
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.30 05:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Atius Tirawa Liang, you make good points - you and Guomingdung really understand this game. Wow, that's almost sig or bio worthy. Quote: To Shandling, I think you are going to get bored with eve. Because this is not an FPS type game but a game of calculation. You fit your ships to be able to fight the most number of possible ecounters the best. Speed and ECM are two things that work very well on a wide veriety of ships. Tank and Gank setups were very good in the past when the game did not have the massive ammount of 'depth' in terms of stratagy as it does today. So all in all, you are going for ship setups that allow you to handle a reasonable ammount of damage, put out a reasonable ammount of damage and escape with a little luck. Ships that do these things will inevitably become popular. Erm, you speak absolute truth. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.30 08:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Shandling Edited by: Shandling on 30/10/2007 04:45:25 Just curious where most people stand. Please answer with your choice plus an explanation. Would you rather: A) Fit your ship to gank and/or tank and have a fight with your opponent. B) Fit your ship with ECM/Damps etc. so that your opponent is forced to simply sit there and wait until his tank breaks. Be honest, just curious to see what people are interested in these days... killmails or good fights. Edit: I understand my title is a tad biased... sorry. Fixed, sorta. I rather fit my BS crew with ECCM and sensor boosters then to drop down to jamming tactics. Its lame and boring, for both sides.
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.30 09:35:00 - [17] Gank and Speed.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:13:00 - [18] depends on the makeup of the gang. I will try to fit what is lacking. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
FraXy 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:16:00 - [19] It`s all about the tank baby. Jumping into 20 hostiles and tanking the whole lot while my backup comes in after a minute to kill them all. There is one of the main reasons i still play. Just so i can tank and laugh.
William DeMeo Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:34:00 - [20] Fit to win. What's the point in blowing up for a "good fight" when you could've set up your ship more effectively and won the fight? Especially cuz you're gonna get your ass blobbed anyway unless you're on SiSi. Yarr

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