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Fraunn Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.31 19:28:00 - [1] I am back to whine a bit... I cant make out what to do in EVE and how to plan for my future. I cant decide how i should invest my isk. So if you not interessted stop reading If you are the type that dont want to share your knowledge and what you found afraid that your profit will get lower dont bother reading anymore. And pls flame this thread as it will bump it up to the top -- Ok here goes again. I have rather mutch isk. About 2-3bil isk that i have for the past 6 mounth not done mutch with. My EVE situation effect me so i cant change corp, cant have a high sec pos. I dont want to leave my present corp, period. So i have the isk! I would love to expand my work and earn alot more isk than i do now. All i do now is do missions and some small trading and mining. Mining I have max mining skills. I dont have access to 0.0 fine ORE so i dont make mutch isk mining. So i dont mine mutch anymore. And as i dont want to leave my corp i wont get any access to the fine ORE. But thats ok i guess and i cant use the isk i have to improve my income anymore in this area. Missions I do lvl4 missions. I have my fine BS that i do missions with, i earn good isk alot better than mining in high sec. But still it is about the same hre i dont se a increase in income by investing isk into a uber mission ship... Atleast not a increase that makes it worth it. Trading The area where i am a big noob. I have done it a long time tho... But i cant se or find the things that generate the isk that i thought i would find. I have done hub>hub trading, margin trading with region orders and some other stuff with 0.0 trading etc. But i cant rly increase my income. By this i mean that i most often invest about 100-200mil and get out a profit of 10-20mil. I thought that was awesome in the beginning and then i wanted to invest more BUT... I cant mange to do it as i dont find anything that seems worth to invest more in... The first step is easy and then it gets soooo hard and i am stuck and just sits there until i give up and go do some missions or mining again. Buy orders on a region wide is hard. I have tryed to do my homework and learn the market on a few things, but up large amount of stuff and resell and hope for a good profit but i am lucky to not go more back than i do . My new plan My new plan was to just take all my isk and dump it into a IPO like FRPB and just collect the devidens and do some missions and keep to my small trading and keep dumping isk into the whatever project i invest it to. I just want to make some use of my isk insteed of storing it in a wallet :( So what do i hope by posting this? Well i dont know. I will most likly get attention by the smart ppl in eve, the ppl that have the buissnis head and make the right moves and find the right deals. I maybe hope that someone will teatch me something and lead me like a little child in the right direction to a better future for my isk. I am sure some will just laugh at me or try to scam me Well anyway now i feel a bit better after whining and crying a bit.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.31 20:13:00 - [2] check out bunsen's latest project and see what the projected divs are for it. frpb sold out, it was 1 million a share. be careful how much over ipo value you pay, as it'll cut into your profits. not a hell of a lot of investments that pay over 5%/month come to mind. i'm sure i'm forgetting some though. you could also try to buy chunks of shares at a cheap price, even if they don't give much of a percent dividend each month, if you paid low enough for them, you could buy up enough to make up for the low dividend payments. sorry, not a hell of a lot of awesomeness happening in the player-stock-market at this time.
Shakuul Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.10.31 20:15:00 - [3] Some ideas: 1) Trade with it. You could look at the Jita market for a T2 item that seems like it can be manipulated (Nanomechanical Microprocessor for example). This means the buy orders must be relatively 'strong', meaning there are a lot of buy orders at market price...so like several hundred thousand units at 12,000 isk each. This also means that the sell orders must be relatively 'weak', meaning there are only a few thousand units selling at say 13,000 , 14,000 , and so forth. Buy all of these items at once, and then sell a few of them at a much higher price, say 20,000 isk per unit. If done correctly, you should make a profit of a few hundred mil. You have to make sure you are always the low buy order and people never undercut you. The goal is to sell just a few units (like 10,000) at a rediculous price, like 25,000 isk per unit, to compensate for the fact that you purchased them above market price. 2) Manufacturing. Buy a Raven BPO and start building. I haven't run the numbers on ravens recently but I'd assume they make at least a few percent. If you have 1.5bil to toss around (after BPO purchase) hopefully you can be making them 24/7. 3) IPOs. Probably the least effort, but you can get scammed.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.31 20:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Shakuul 3) IPOs. Probably the least effort, but you can get scammed. what he said.
Ambo 2nd Outcasters	Posted - 2007.10.31 20:48:00 - [5] Well it sounds like mining is not really an option, (it's boring as hell anyway so no great loss there...) Missions only give limited isk and theisk you do make does not help you further in any way and you don't have the patience/knack required for trading. I'd recommed either: 1. Investigate exploration - this can be fun with decent rewards but if it's just the isk you are after, it's no better and probably slightly worse than missioning. (without access to 0.0 anyway) 2. Look into manufacturing - tbh I doubt you have the patience required judging by what you said about trading. Manufacturing takes a lot of time to look at all the angles and get setup before you start making any real money, not to mention the skill requirements. 3. Invest in an IPO or bank - As far as I'm aware both Ebank and Fury bank are still accepting deposits (don't quote me on that though). Otherwise, keep an eye out for new IPOs and invest in them if you feel they are worth it.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.31 20:52:00 - [6] missions. have you maxed out the social skills related to isk per mission + the two that will give you +25% to your LP bonus (for 50% total bonus)? just curious there. but, if you're happy with your current skills; what about training up for some research agents? you can get a steady stream of RP with which to purchase datacores. just wait for a favorable fluctuation in the market to sell yours.
Fraunn Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.31 21:10:00 - [7] Thanks alot for good advice and one thing you most likly are correct about is that my patience is not that good :p Trading seems to be the key to make THE profit. Shakuul, your first suggestion to trade sounded so nice and easy :p I have read so mutch about diffrent things but always ended up with not seing the profit and or not have the ability to babysit a buy order in Jita 24/7. As i already have all skills maxed for T1 building maybe manufacturing and a BS BPO is what i want to try. But before when i did some short calculation on it i wasent impressed and find minerals for the right price and in the right amount was not that easy. And the most work would be in hauling minerals to production system if i use buy orders. I have not maxed out social skills for missions but i have them and not that interessted in training them mutch more, maybe some steps. Have 3 R&D agents giving me RP so that is coverd and a little income. The IPO/Bank/Share thingi... I guess i havent understood things rly here either. I talked to Ionia in FRPB and i got the feeling that it was no problem buying shares and have the 7% devidens. I can for sure get sammed and it is imposseble to know. FRPB is the one i¦ve read most about and heard most ppl talk good of, so it feels "safest". Back to trading a bit again... As this is what i rly want to learn and want to be successfull in i would like to test your idea Shakuul.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.31 21:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Fraunn Jita found your problem with trading. find a nice quiet spot a few jumps away.
Fraunn Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.31 22:11:00 - [9] Well ofc that i¦ve tryed after reading so mutch frome others that rly "hate" jita and it is so full of competition. Mission hubs was the place i went for. Did some trading, but dident rly make any profit. The reason was that what i bought dident get sold fast enough. Misson hubs already have heavy competition on the obvious stuff, like ammo. But in the end i had the same problem. I could not invest isk and get out more than 10-20mil. If lucky the dubble but not more. I have a hard time finding stuff that i belive in and that i can invest more than just a 100-200mil and get 10% profit. Keep the % and rais the invested isk is the goal. Invest 1bil and get 100mil profit but damn that is hard. Maybe i should just go with the minerals, set up tons and tons of buy orders in regions. Buy up loads of moduls and then spend 1-2 mounth hauling in everything and refine and sell the minerals. But that is not very tempting. Take a system where it is about 80-120 ppl all the time. Try to find gaps in the market and fill them frome other hubs if possible. Set up buy orders and resell in same system. Manage many items but only in one system... Dont have a clue what will give .... Quote: But in the end i had the same problem. I could not invest isk and get out more than 10-20mil. If lucky the dubble but not more. I have a hard time finding stuff that i belive in and that i can invest more than just a 100-200mil and get 10% profit. Keep the % and rais the invested isk is the goal. Invest 1bil and get 100mil profit but damn that is hard. Or how i can atleast work to get there.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.10.31 22:27:00 - [10] It sounds like you just haven't had the patience to stick with any one thing long enough to learn how to make money doing it. You aren't going to instantly jump into trading and do great with it. But if you keep giving up and moving to new things you'll never learn. You need to analyze a market, look at the turnover in that market, and figure out if the profit is worthwhile or not. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Fraunn Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.11.01 09:59:00 - [11] maybe you are right, but how would you advice me to do if i want to give trading another go? not jita other hub? mission hub? region wide? system wide? what kind of trading?
evoli rehathe The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.01 11:23:00 - [12] Definatly trading can be quite worth it. The key is finding a right place to sell your items, may take some time but find a good mission hub close to low sec too that has a crappy market. Once found u can buy in jita and ship there and hopefully sell like crazy. It does take time tho, items just won't sell out all in 1 day. Load up on alot of other items that mission runners use too, hardeners/drones/etc. Do alot of scouting tho, there is a market out there in need of u!
Fraunn Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.11.01 15:44:00 - [13] So scouting it is :) But wtf, market is huge, universe is huge (and me so small). Hard to know what to look for and what signs to keep my eyes open fore... Any advice how to not miss that "thing"?
Tessai Lsha	Posted - 2007.11.01 15:49:00 - [14] may be try invention, people say they make 300 mil to 1 bil a week with it, but i really don't know how time and effort it requires each week, but it's decent isk

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