Battleclinic fits are bad.

Use medium blasters and fly for the win.

(they are hard to fit due to the pitiful CPU of Ishtar, that is all, you will need fitting mods/implants)

Typical Eve forum moron reply.

Guess what, they have a rating system. The good fits tend to be rated pretty high.

And fitting medium blasters on an Ishtar is pretty stupid. Looks like you're the one whose fits suck.

Typical Eve forum moron reply.

Guess what, they have a rating system. The good fits tend to be rated pretty high.

And fitting medium blasters on an Ishtar is pretty stupid. Looks like you're the one whose fits suck.

To be fair, Autos on a myrm is a better idea then hybrids. Course, it can also be shield tanked epically too. So that might be an indicator of how badly the myrm needs help.

Did I somehow hurt your feelings so much that you need to resort to insults?

The BC rating system and browsing fits by rating causes ratings to accumulate to the most rated fits. Fits with lots of ratings are old. Old in the case of Gallente means dated. Anyone can rate fits. And popularity is never an indicator of objective value of anything.

In a post-Crucible world, fitting blasters on any hybrid bonused hull is anything but stupid. They have best damage and tracking of all turrets. Range with Null is almost equal to ACs. Fitting is much easier than before (you can easily fit ions on the Ishtar), cap usage of medium hybrids is absolutely neglible and ammo switching is fast.

Fit rails if you want, that is a matter of preference and piloting style, but fitting anything but bonused guns on Gallente boats is imho stupid nowadays.

To be fair, Autos on a myrm is a better idea then hybrids. Course, it can also be shield tanked epically too. So that might be an indicator of how badly the myrm needs help.

all the myrm needs is more drones its fine other wise. as for the ishtar, i think meb blasters would gimp the tank too much for it to be useful since pvp in low sec is all about gettin in and out fast due to blobs. that kind of fit would just not work the ishtar would pop fast due to weak tank and plus the range limit of blasters means u need to be rather close to apply blaster dps. that puts u in the 'get ganked zone'

a buffer fit ishtar moves at about 1.1k plus about 13k armor. if its rep fit its does a nice bit better on the speed, just let the drones do all the work.

The only love a Myrm needs is more drone bandwidth, it is not a gunship. That being said current Myrms can still spit out over 500DPS and active tank with MWD web and scram without much of a problem. Laser Myrms work nicely hitting the weakest shield resist in most cases.

Battleclinic fits are bad.

Use medium blasters and fly for the win.

(they are hard to fit due to the pitiful CPU of Ishtar, that is all, you will need fitting mods/implants)

IMO the Ishtar is superior because it has better agility (and generally mobility). Also, why is your Ishtar so slow?

-Liang

been flying the Ishtar for about 4 years, this is my opinion:


Ishtar is generally nonviable in the current pvp meta.

- AHAC gangs: you cant retrieve your dps if you need to gtfo; if going with heavies instead of sentries, it takes forever to start applying said dps; Deimos is a better AHAC

- medium range gangs: not enough EHP; a properly flown BC can shred an Ishtar

- nano gangs: not enough EHP, and cant apply dps fast enough; Blastos owns this role over any Gallente ship.

- small gang/solo: dual rep tars work only if you have insane resources such as booster alts, pills, multiboxed covops scout, and implants


with 75k EHP, 2km/s speed + heat, and 600 dps (pure explosive or EM), the nano Gila wipes the floor with any Ishtar setup.

to address OP: a blaster Tar would have a little less dps than a Brutix or a properly fit Myrm, and way less EHP. that in itself is enough to make the Tar nonviable. use it in PVE where it belongs until HACs regain their role.





i actually dont care for the drone role. even if it could field 4-5 heavies/sentries. drones suck. 425mm AC's on a shield tanked Myrm with a 2/2/1 drone setup can spit out about 700 near-instant dps (pure explosive or EM) 0-30km, which puts to shame any other Myrm setup.

for example, the Blastos gets to choose what it engages because it can actually do scary DPS at 30-40km. you cant engage **** in an Ishtar because you cant project dps, and you cant tank; while many ships can actually apply their dps on you when you try to kite them. the truth is, all tier 3's can basically shred you apart as you try to mwd around them. avoidance/mitigation only works when your dps is instant, i.e. you have to do something back, or when you can actually sustain your "mitigation tank."

what you speak of makes sense if your target is scrammed by your buddy, and youre zipping around at a safe distance as your drones chew at the target, and nothing can reach you. these scenarios are just...not a part of my EVE world, and i pvp a lot. in fact, i flew my nano Sentar and Snipetar this way. admittedly, while not completely useless, theyre just highly situational. whereas the Gila is good in just about every sub-BS engagement. tier 3's killed the Sentar. before, i was only afraid of Rokh's and mega pulse Apocs. now everything can tear me a new one at 70-100km.

not trying to be condescending, but if you think that Ishtar > Gila based on some fictitious or highly situational engagement, then you just havent flown them, or havent flown the Gila.

Battleclinic fits are bad.

Use medium blasters and fly for the win.

they are hard to fit due to the pitiful CPU of Ishtar, that is all

The ishtar is best used for kiting. It is in effect, a sniper HAC. Unlike the other sniper HACs it has some unique abilities as a drone boat but it's still best to keep your distance with it. If you want to go point blank and face melt someone, I suggest the navy vexor. It does 1000-ish dps with ions, 4x ogre II's and a pretty solid cruiser tank (37k EHP no implants or links).

It's quality posts like this that should win threads more often. Experience, advice and reflection. Take note noobs.

Was thinking the exact same thing as I read it. Many props, Hungry Eyes, and thanks for the insight as I attempt to pick a ship to shoot for.