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Deruwyn	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Deruwyn on 01/11/2007 21:11:59 I have an interesting theory about how two of my video cards have been broken by eve. I am posting not to complain, but to see if anyone else has ever experienced similar issues. One night about 10 months ago I fell asleep while playing eve. When I woke up I noticed that my computer had crashed. I tried to restart, noticing that all the bios display text had various display errors: such as parts of letters missing and weird shapes all over the place. When windows tries to load it crashes the pc every time. I reformat and try to reinstall windows, but cannot because the video crashes constantly. This card was an evga 6600. Last Sunday afternoon I go to get a shower for about 20 minutes, leaving the eve client running. I come back and see the application has frozen and there are various graphical glitches present on the screen, such as green and red lines in weird patterns. I reboot and windows loads, but I cannot run 3d applications or games without them crashing. I run the direct3d test using dxdiag and it passes the dx7+8 tests but fails dx9 and crashes the pc every time. This card was a BFG 7600. My theory is that Eve will break your video card if you leave the client running and allow your computer to fall into sleep mode. It has happened to me twice now. Has anyone else experienced this? I feel really jaded. I am going to try to get the manufacturer to replace my card under warranty. If they don't then I am uninstalling eve and cancelling both accounts I have because it is obviously not an application that can be trusted.
Lothros Andastar Gallente Imperium Forces United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:13:00 - [2] EvE uses the graphics card so minimaly it cant break it
Banjo String	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:15:00 - [3] if you using the same PC, I would check you have no power issues, and that you have adequate cooling.
Canine Fiend Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:16:00 - [4] What it actually sounds like is happening is you're allowing your card to overheat... probably due to poor airflow. EVE itself cannot physically do any damage to your card, the notion is just silly. What it can do is make your card constantly do work for long periods of time (for instance you falling asleep) and make the card heat up. Normally this isn't a problem, as with the way chips are designed and proper cooling technologies EVE can run forever. Check the temp inside your case, and if the card has it, the temp of the GPU while it's running EVE and while it's at a "resting" state... if the temp is too high (check the internet for average temps on your specific card, as they vary) you've got a problem. Other things to consider are your computer shorting out the vid card somehow when it enters sleep mode with EVE running (again not a problem with EVE and doubtful) The fact that this forum isn't flooded with "ZOMG EVE BROKE MY GRAPHICS CARD!" probably means that this isn't a problem for 99% of the population. -------------------
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:16:00 - [5] Never happened to me and I've let my computer go into sleep mode on several occasions. If that happens then EVE is not the problem, it's your video card drivers. Have you researched this problem at all? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: Tortun Nahme we can call it Tarmigeddon
GeekWarrior Gallente e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:17:00 - [6] Try cleaning out your computer of dust and **** more than once a year. Or maybe get a fan that pushes more air.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:18:00 - [7] This is an airflow issue, 99.9999965% positive. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Deruwyn	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:37:00 - [8] I am sure airflow and overheating is not a problem. I usually run two eve clients along with WoW or some other game in the back ground(I was not doing this during either of the 2 incidents mentioned above). I am quite the multitasker. Airflow and overheating were never the problem. What I am saying is something weird happens when Eve is running in the foreground and Windows attempts to go to sleep. Saying Eve broke the card may have been a bit sensationalist, but I was aiming for that because I really want to hear if anyone else has ever experienced anything similar. I am not blaming CCP or anything like that, I'm just generally interested in discussing what might have happened when I allowed windows to attempt sleep or hibernate while Eve was running.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:43:00 - [9] It sounds exactly like overheating to me... The graphical glitches you see are known as "artifacts" to the OCing community. They happen when the GPU gets too hot and starts to have errors. Also, i never liked putting my PC into standby. Standby shuts off your fans, too scary for me >.< _____
Deruwyn	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:45:00 - [10] Actually yeah, that may be what is happening. Windows is shutting the fan off and the game is continuing to burn it. It is all windows fault!
Irob Urore Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:46:00 - [11] soak the motherboard in warm soapy water for about 10-15mins, then bake in oven until dry.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:51:00 - [12] Just replace the new card with an 8800GT, then you could fit a smaller PSU and never turn the computer off. Problem solved. :) _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.01 21:56:00 - [13] Check out MBM (Motherboard Monitor) or any other program that checks the temperature of your motherboard/case. Also make sure your Power Supply has more than enough wattage for your components. You can also check out nVidia's nTune software, as your video card may have a built-in temperature sensor. If anything is overheating, make sure you add another fan to the case. If your Power Supply is too weak, you may want to check into getting a new one. PS. Judging by the fact that you don't have random restarts occasionally, I don't think it's the power supply. It just never hurts to check. And also check the brand name of the PSU, if it's a generic no-name brand you may want to invest in a name brand PSU like Antec. Name brand PSU's tend to have more stable rails. ____________________ Pirating in EVE is like kicking a squirrel and stealing his food. The squirrel hates you afterwards, but it's fun none the less.
Andreas Kallesoee Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:02:00 - [14] i am sorry to say but you need to check the cooling profile of your grafikcard and check if the fan is working at all, becasue what you have described is exactly what happende to me when my card got clogged with dust.
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:17:00 - [15] This is never a software problem. It is almost impossible for software to fry your hardware. It will be a problem with either your PSU, your motherboard, the airflow in your case, a lack of fans, general overheating or a combination of all these factors. Join M8S Racing Team sponsored by Frontier Technologies!
Olly210 Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Deruwyn I usually run two eve clients along with WoW i think ive found the problem.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Pwett Just replace the new card with an 8800GT, then you could fit a smaller PSU and never turn the computer off. Problem solved. :) Yes.. buy a more demanding video card and skimp on the PSU. Great idea :P _____
Deruwyn	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Olly210 Originally by: Deruwyn I usually run two eve clients along with WoW i think ive found the problem. I was not doing this during either incident.
Olly210 Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:36:00 - [19] Edited by: Olly210 on 01/11/2007 22:38:46 -
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:42:00 - [20] Eve is very CPU intensive (hopefully only until Trinity). Likely it is heating up your CPU and overheating your video card. Same thing happened to me. Turned out dust was clogging the fins on my CPU heat sink. Blew out the dust, put in a bigger fan to blow out hot air, and it worked fine. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Tractormech Caldari Fortune's Fools	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:43:00 - [21] Not trying to be a jerk, but that's like saying driving on a certain highway causes your car's motor to overheat.
Yumis Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:50:00 - [22] To expand on what the others have said, when you have left your computer on overnight the graphics card will get hotter and hotter possibly due to bad airflow in your machine. When you get to high temperatures the components in your graphics cards can start to produce small errors on a bit level, these small errors are obviously compounded due to the huge amount of processing that is performed with this data making large graphical errors appear. Or more serious errors and system hangs occur when the heat expands the length of the system buses (plural spelling?) enough to cause some of the electrical signals to go out of time causing it to totally hard lock. If the temperature gets hot enough the component may stop working all together, due to the expansion/contraction that has occurred inside the chip.
Schina3	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Deruwyn Edited by: Deruwyn on 01/11/2007 21:45:40 Edited by: Deruwyn on 01/11/2007 21:11:59 I have an interesting theory about how two of my video cards have been broken by eve. I am posting not to complain, but to see if anyone else has ever experienced similar issues. One night about 10 months ago I fell asleep while playing eve. When I woke up I noticed that my computer had crashed. I tried to restart, noticing that all the bios display text had various display errors: such as parts of letters missing and weird shapes all over the place. When windows tries to load it crashes the pc every time. I reformat and try to reinstall windows, but cannot because the video crashes constantly. This card was an evga 6600. Last Sunday afternoon I go to get a shower for about 20 minutes, leaving the eve client running. I come back and see the application has frozen and there are various graphical glitches present on the screen, such as green and red lines in weird patterns. I reboot and windows loads, but I cannot run 3d applications or games without them crashing. I run the direct3d test using dxdiag and it passes the dx7+8 tests but fails dx9 and crashes the pc every time. This card was a BFG 7600. My theory is that Eve will break your video card if you leave the client running and allow your computer to fall into sleep mode. It has happened to me twice now. Has anyone else experienced this? I feel really jaded. I am going to try to get the manufacturer to replace my card under warranty. If they don't then I am uninstalling eve and cancelling both accounts I have because it is obviously not an application that can be trusted. TOO STUPID DID NOT READ
Deruwyn	Posted - 2007.11.01 23:25:00 - [24] Lol, it was just a joke/experiment. A friend and I were discussing in school the different types of posters that reply to technical support questions on internet forums. Anyone who bothered checking would see that I am online and have been playing eve the whole time :p You guys made an excellent population sample for the issue were we discussing in clas at uni, thanks!
Barakkus	Posted - 2007.11.01 23:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Yumis To expand on what the others have said, when you have left your computer on overnight the graphics card will get hotter and hotter possibly due to bad airflow in your machine. When you get to high temperatures the components in your graphics cards can start to produce small errors on a bit level, these small errors are obviously compounded due to the huge amount of processing that is performed with this data making large graphical errors appear. Or more serious errors and system hangs occur when the heat expands the length of the system buses (plural spelling?) enough to cause some of the electrical signals to go out of time causing it to totally hard lock. If the temperature gets hot enough the component may stop working all together, due to the expansion/contraction that has occurred inside the chip. yup, i had this happen, i had a card right next to my ati x1650, was blocking the air flow too much and caused the card to over heat repeatedly, i was smelling that over heated electronics smell too, i removed the card next to it (after they had both cooled down enough to touch lol) and haven't had a problem since... sounds like this guy's problem is an overheating video card, similar behavior
Yumis Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2007.11.01 23:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Yumis on 01/11/2007 23:54:44 Originally by: Deruwyn You guys made an excellent population sample for the issue were we discussing in clas at uni, thanks! Your doing a degree which involves Internet forums?
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 02/11/2007 00:01:45 Edit: Ooopps
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.02 00:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Deruwyn Edited by: Deruwyn on 01/11/2007 21:45:40 Edited by: Deruwyn on 01/11/2007 21:11:59 I have an interesting theory about how two of my video cards have been broken by eve. I am posting not to complain, but to see if anyone else has ever experienced similar issues. One night about 10 months ago I fell asleep while playing eve. When I woke up I noticed that my computer had crashed. I tried to restart, noticing that all the bios display text had various display errors: such as parts of letters missing and weird shapes all over the place. When windows tries to load it crashes the pc every time. I reformat and try to reinstall windows, but cannot because the video crashes constantly. This card was an evga 6600. Last Sunday afternoon I go to get a shower for about 20 minutes, leaving the eve client running. I come back and see the application has frozen and there are various graphical glitches present on the screen, such as green and red lines in weird patterns. I reboot and windows loads, but I cannot run 3d applications or games without them crashing. I run the direct3d test using dxdiag and it passes the dx7+8 tests but fails dx9 and crashes the pc every time. This card was a BFG 7600. My theory is that Eve will break your video card if you leave the client running and allow your computer to fall into sleep mode. It has happened to me twice now. Has anyone else experienced this? I feel really jaded. I am going to try to get the manufacturer to replace my card under warranty. If they don't then I am uninstalling eve and cancelling both accounts I have because it is obviously not an application that can be trusted. eve dotn do anythign different thatn any other game, In fact it stresses a bit less the CPU than heavy games of today. If you had both cards spoiled, more likely your powersupply or motherboard is the guilty one, woudl happen same with other games. Also both EVGa and BFG replace their cards if they fail on "normal operation" If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.02 13:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Deruwyn Lol, it was just a joke/experiment. A friend and I were discussing in school the different types of posters that reply to technical support questions on internet forums. Anyone who bothered checking would see that I am online and have been playing eve the whole time :p You guys made an excellent population sample for the issue were we discussing in clas at uni, thanks! Heheh, so technically you were trolling. Generally I try to help, but some people just don't listen you know? nullnull
Rosa Rosette	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:09:00 - [30] no no no! can't you see the link! you were 'afk' every time it happened! this is the new anti macro tool!!!!

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