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Seru Maldus
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:27:00 -
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Discouraging me, and probably lots of other players from continuing to play.
I am a 2m sp Amarr pilot just getting into the meat of the game with a whopping 2 kills so far (those 2 kills were the biggest rush ever). Basically all I am saying, all of this ruckus about nerfing and people saying eve is going SoE mode so on and so forth is really starting to discourage me.
Any inspiration?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.02 05:30:00 -
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I thought that SWG was the inspiration this month?
*bitter over the dictor nerf.. and lolwtfbbq over the freighter nerf
Liang
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Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Susitna
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:06:00 -
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Edited by: Susitna on 02/11/2007 06:08:05
Edited by: Susitna on 02/11/2007 06:07:18
I am getting discouraged too. I have been playing almost a year and have seen a few adjustments and changes. While some were good almost none were timely. When something is obviously overpowered fix it fast. When you leave it in the game for over a year your players believe it is working as intended. Nos Domi come to mind here.
This game requires a lot of time to train for ships and modules. Right now I am not sure what to train for. Anything that looks half way effective or fun to fly seems to get nerfed after people have trained for the specific ships or modules.
The interdictor speed nerf really has me wondering whats the point. A complete across the board dictor nerf when only one ship in the class could be considered overpowered boggles me. I have spent a lot of time training to fly the inderdictors and now I am not sure the time spent was worth it in the end. If this class is seen as overpowered and deserving a nerf then nothing seems safe to train for.
Two months ago I though I would continue to play this game for many years. Now I am not so sure. The game development seems too unstable and a lot training time could be wasted.
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Phantom Slave
Amarr
Mozzaki United
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:27:00 -
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Just remember to take all the 'OMG NERF' threads with a grain of salt. Changes on Sisi don't mean the end of the world, as not all changes there make it to TQ.
Wait until Rev III/Trinity comes, then make a judgement as to whether or not you want to continue playing.
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Oldin Kinrod
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Oldin Kinrod on 02/11/2007 06:30:01
Don't be discouraged - from where I'm sitting the "nerfs" are not that bad. Of course I'll probably be flamed for what ever reasons people can come up with. It is the nature of MMOs to have the balance of the game revised, especially when new content is added.
The problem is no one knows what CCP are up to, and what little information is given get scrutinised over and over again. Then there is what happens on the test servers, which could be blown out of proportion as soon as people think that what is on the test server is the final product. And the whole talk about CCP = SoE and comparing EVE to SWG is people freaking out.
IMHO CCP are doing a great job with their game - and some people seem to forget this. CCP actuall give us a lot more for our sub fees than most other MMOs - free expansions, one 'shard' for the whole playerbase and they actually (though some people will argue) listen to their playerbase.
And of course I do have sympathy for the players that are complaining, they have kind of been given the short end of the stick in terms of what they though was coming and what has now been proposed. But I ask those players - Do you think that you might have caused these nerfs yourselves? Developers don't usually nerf things without a good reason, you might not agree with it personally but CCP will have based these decisions after seeing how the last changes are affecting the game as a whole. The problem once again falls back to a communication breakdown between the developers and the players, which then leads into the players going to the forums to voice thier opinions and thoughts on the changes.
So what I'd say is keep playing EVE, but if it no longer fills your entertainment void then maybe it's time for another game? But having a small percentage of the playerbase screaming at the devs that they aren't happy with what they percieve as happening isn't going to change anything. Giving the devs some constructive criticism - like how you would propose to do a similar thing, or why you think that a certain change will ruin EVE - will let them know that you actually have put some thought into the game as a whole, and might actually make them change their minds.
Remember - not all of us can be Game Designers. I work with some and I evny the massive workload they have to drudge through on a daily basis.
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infinityshok
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:32:00 -
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Cant get more discouraged than I already am. Im at endgame at this point.
Whether or not sisi changes make it to tranq are irrelevant at this point. The devs simply have to make a blog to inform the cummunity what is going on, what they plan on doing, and why. There is no way they dont have time for that since I guarantee no two devs have as busy of a day as I do and if I have the time to forum ***** like I have been, they can find the time to come up with a blog. With the uproar this BS has caused there is no valid reason they cant do something as simple as this.
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Seru Maldus
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Posted - 2007.11.02 06:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Oldin Kinrod
Edited by: Oldin Kinrod on 02/11/2007 06:30:01
Don't be discouraged - from where I'm sitting the "nerfs" are not that bad. Of course I'll probably be flamed for what ever reasons people can come up with. It is the nature of MMOs to have the balance of the game revised, especially when new content is added.
The problem is no one knows what CCP are up to, and what little information is given get scrutinised over and over again. Then there is what happens on the test servers, which could be blown out of proportion as soon as people think that what is on the test server is the final product. And the whole talk about CCP = SoE and comparing EVE to SWG is people freaking out.
IMHO CCP are doing a great job with their game - and some people seem to forget this. CCP actuall give us a lot more for our sub fees than most other MMOs - free expansions, one 'shard' for the whole playerbase and they actually (though some people will argue) listen to their playerbase.
And of course I do have sympathy for the players that are complaining, they have kind of been given the short end of the stick in terms of what they though was coming and what has now been proposed. But I ask those players - Do you think that you might have caused these nerfs yourselves? Developers don't usually nerf things without a good reason, you might not agree with it personally but CCP will have based these decisions after seeing how the last changes are affecting the game as a whole. The problem once again falls back to a communication breakdown between the developers and the players, which then leads into the players going to the forums to voice thier opinions and thoughts on the changes.
So what I'd say is keep playing EVE, but if it no longer fills your entertainment void then maybe it's time for another game? But having a small percentage of the playerbase screaming at the devs that they aren't happy with what they percieve as happening isn't going to change anything. Giving the devs some constructive criticism - like how you would propose to do a similar thing, or why you think that a certain change will ruin EVE - will let them know that you actually have put some thought into the game as a whole, and might actually make them change their minds.
Remember - not all of us can be Game Designers. I work with some and I evny the massive workload they have to drudge through on a daily basis.
I hear ya my friend. Good post.
The forums, right now, are kind of like tabloids. **** blown out of proportion and either holds little nor no truth at all. Its collective mentality.
I have faith in CCP and I hope they read this.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:02:00 -
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Edited by: xHalcyonx on 02/11/2007 07:02:53
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I thought that SWG was the inspiration this month?
*bitter over the dictor nerf.. and lolwtfbbq over the freighter nerf
Liang
You've got it wrong Liang.
It's more akin to PlanetSide with them introducing overpowered items, then nerfing them while leaving thier pet race alone, then discarding thier pet race to the wind.
Then there's the performance issues that mirror that of PlanetSide, it ran smooth in the beginning with noticible decreases in performace each patch with the Devs saying that it was beeing looked itno yet still has not been fixed to this day.
Yes, I am still bitter that PlanetSide had so much potential yet failed so miserably.
I DO NOT want EvE to become another PlanetSide. CCP, please DO NOT turn into SOE!
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.02 07:07:00 -
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What is more annoying is people constantly making new threads about CCP nerfing and how they don't like it.
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Viktor VonCarstein
Amarr
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:05:00 -
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The great thing with all these people going mental over the changes and saying they will quit means that those who want to stay and see how it pans out first will benefit.
Less Lag, more space and more resources per person. 
Anyone who is leaving
Can I have your stuff
K thanx bye.
Spray and Pray
With hate all things are possible
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Ztrain
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.02 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ztrain on 02/11/2007 10:22:57
Originally by: Seru Maldus
Discouraging me, and probably lots of other players from continuing to play.
I am a 2m sp Amarr pilot just getting into the meat of the game with a whopping 2 kills so far (those 2 kills were the biggest rush ever). Basically all I am saying, all of this ruckus about nerfing and people saying eve is going SoE mode so on and so forth is really starting to discourage me.
Any inspiration?
Really sucks man. But tbh if I was to start over again I'd not continue with this game or any future CCP game past the 2 week trial knowing what I do now. Only thing that's keeping me playing is the guy's I play with in my corp. Be glad your having your second thoughts about not continuing now before you've spent hundreds on multiple accounts and months of training and playing that you could have been developing in another game.
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
That's the rough idea, yes. We still have in no way started thinking about what modules to introduce, what they would do or anything of the likes, but the idea is that.
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Di Jiensai
Gallente
Domination.
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor VonCarstein
The great thing with all these people going mental over the changes and saying they will quit means that those who want to stay and see how it pans out first will benefit.
Less Lag, more space and more resources per person.
Anyone who is leaving
Can I have your stuff
K thanx bye.
This.
Far reaching balance changes are neccessary.
If a gamedeveloper introduces new content, it is simply impossible to plan all consequences ahead. its like a brain game, where 200 brains (ccp) fight against 200,000 brains (players).
You simply cannot see all things players come up with ahead of time.
This makes it a neccessity to reasess the state of the game from time to time, and adjust.
One example, if ccp wouldnt do that, we would still have nano BS flying around at 10km/s ganking stuff in perfect safety.
The problem at the moment is not, that the patch will 'break eve', but that eve is broken, and the patch addresses many issues, that will damage eve over time.
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Yussef
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.02 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Yussef on 02/11/2007 11:27:58
I wouldn't worry too much. Most of these changes seem to be hurting big 0.0 alliances the most so unless you're in one of those (or was planning to) don't sweat it.
I always felt bad for logistics guys cause it seemed like such a boring thankless job. Can't imagine why CCP would look at that group and go "you know what those guys just have it too good!"
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dor amwar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:16:00 -
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the nerfs/buffs, new ships ... we see what they bring, but the way that it is being brought on concerns me. in development you don't make a major revision change without taking care of the major bugs in the current release. ccp says that this overhaul will fix some of the bugs, ok, let's wait and see if that happens. but at the same time they are making huge mechanics changes. you know there is going to be a huge number of teething problems with the new engine, but at the same time they will have a huge number of mechanics changes to monitor. i think the mess after the release will, unless they get lucky, going to make the current nerf storm look small. they are making the same mistake that most large projects that fail do.
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BECKARD
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Di Jiensai
One example, if ccp wouldnt do that, we would still have nano BS flying around at 10km/s ganking stuff in perfect safety.
The problem at the moment is not, that the patch will 'break eve', but that eve is broken, and the patch addresses many issues, that will damage eve over time.
This is wrong, the nano nerf ruined the game for lots of ppl. And no, a nerf was not needed, nos still countered it, but then they nerfed that too. And a 10k m/s bs, so what, plenty of ways to kill them still, just not for brainless noobs, which, lets face it, deserve to be killed in ridiculous ways....
The game balances itself out without the help of the devs, who do it to try and justify their continued employment. And they also do it for the low lvl noobs that cry about not being able to fly ships/setups that counter things, but then its not about that, its about them being brainless noobs. And what did we say about brainless noobs? they get what they deserve... they certainly don't deserve the protection that ccp has afforded them, like with all this nerfing...
Ask your self, why do the cloaking isk farmers still go unpunished?
Cause CCP are noobs protecting noobs?
Or is it possibly, in truth, isk = real life money for CCP, so they protect the isk farmers. Every isk farmer out there brings in real hard cash to CCP when they sell that isk for a GTC.
Think about that for a while, let it settle in...
Then ask yourself what kind of organization are we dealing with here?
And yes, I'll be cancelling all my accounts soon, and no, my stuff will get deleted, not go to an undeserving noob willing to pay for this service...
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