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dust monkey
Minmatar
Dark Tornado
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.11.02 12:41:00 -
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Thats right, on test at the moment it has lost 1 med slot for a low slot.
Either way you look at this it is a boost;
You now can fit a better tank :D
Or instead of fitting a EAMN II in that 6ith low slot you can fita CPR II instead of a Cap II giving you 4% better recharge than before.
This makes me happy, I new if I stuck with the nihoggur CCP will get round to changing it.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.02 12:58:00 -
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It was fine..it could fit a very decent shieldtank with loads of cap to spare for remote repping.
If anything it should've gone 5/7/4 like the chimera.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:02:00 -
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ok I lost count to the changes.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:05:00 -
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too many changes in short time
i think we all are loosing it that includes ccp
someone hit the brake
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Trojanman190
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:06:00 -
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I love the way CCP announces their changes... someone randomly finding an unexplained change on the test server is rediculous. They need to talk to us about these things.
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dust monkey
Minmatar
Dark Tornado
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokratesz
It was fine..it could fit a very decent shieldtank with loads of cap to spare for remote repping.
If anything it should've gone 5/7/4 like the chimera.
my experiance with it beeing shield tanked that it had much less cap than an armour tank for remote rep and it couldn't be sustained as long as an armour tank. so it was never worth bothering with.
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dust monkey
Minmatar
Dark Tornado
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
I love the way CCP announces their changes... someone randomly finding an unexplained change on the test server is rediculous. They need to talk to us about these things.
tbh people where whining long long ago that nighuggor needs a 6th lot slot so ccp finaly responded. altho i wouldn't if CCP did amounce these changes...
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.11.02 13:35:00 -
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Shiny, although the shield tanking Nid pilots wont be too happy.
Now they just need to up the cap amount to bring it more in line with the other carriers.
That or give it 6med/6low and keep the low cap amount.
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.11.02 14:35:00 -
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Well given its much lower stats i hardly think it would be over powerd to of just added another low slot with out removing a mid.
Still its a nice boost allow's a good armor tank on the nid but i think alot of people will be kind of mad to lose the mid slot and not get any of the stats boosted to be closer to that of the other carrier's.
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:20:00 -
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In my opinion the nidhoggur was ok as it was before the change.
Like said by sokratesz, it could fit an good faction shieldtank while.
having lots of cap to spare for the remote-repaires/transfers, to use its bonus properly.
(cprs ftw^^)
The only thing it realy needed in my opinion was about 30-50 more cpu to fit an T2 shieldtank.
(without leaving highslots empty)
Now shieldtanking it isn't an option anymore i presume.
What we have now is basicly a Thanatos with remote-repair bonus, subpar stats,
aswell as less versatility and less caprecharge than before.
But thats just my personal opinion, armor tankers will surely like the change.
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Incantare
Caldari
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.02 18:23:00 -
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A good change, though a big cpu boost would've been good too.
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Triangle
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Linas IV
In my opinion the nidhoggur was ok as it was before the change.
Like said by sokratesz, it could fit an good faction shieldtank while.
having lots of cap to spare for the remote-repaires/transfers, to use its bonus properly.
(cprs ftw^^)
The only thing it realy needed in my opinion was about 30-50 more cpu to fit an T2 shieldtank.
(without leaving highslots empty)
Now shieldtanking it isn't an option anymore i presume.
What we have now is basicly a Thanatos with remote-repair bonus, subpar stats,
aswell as less versatility and less caprecharge than before.
But thats just my personal opinion, armor tankers will surely like the change.
Now you typed that it make;'s me feel like it was a more of a nerf than a boost.
I do agree it is more or less the same as the Thanatos only weaker in every way other than the TINY bit more speed.
It needs the Mid slot back and keep the 6 low's and a tad more CPU or just go and boost its stats to be alot closer to the Thanatos.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.11.02 19:48:00 -
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so does this put it even further ahead in dmg with an all out max dps setup 
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.11.03 18:19:00 -
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Its still sub par compared to the others, but its good to see they are taking small steps one at a time to balance it.
The next step (and probably final step) would be one of the following:
a)
change cap and armor/shield amounts to that of the thanatos so we get a solid armor tanking ship that doesnt cap out in record time
OR
b)
leave cap and shield/armor distribution sub par as now but give it 6 med/6 lows
this way it retains the shield tanking ability which pretty much is gone with the last slot change while being able to fit a decent armor tank as well
I would prefer the first one but I guess lots of people that trained capital shield tanks will disagree, the second one benefits both and would finally bring the ship on paar with its brethren
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.03 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
Its still sub par compared to the others
It's now a Thanatos with lower stats, the same recharge, and a far more useful bonus.
6med/6lows would make it far superior to the Thanatos, not that I would mind that since the Thanatos is already the worst of the carriers.
As it stands this is a role buff but a combat nerf, it can fit the full-tank and dual rep of the Than, but it can't fit the superior shield tank it currently can on TQ.
I like the change, now bring the Aeon and Chimera down here with them.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Capitalism Amuck
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Posted - 2007.11.03 23:58:00 -
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It can now hold the honor (with another cargo extender) that spilled over into the drone bay.
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Put in space whales!
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Xiliath
JUDGE DREAD Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.04 04:02:00 -
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I think it was perfectly fine, I fit a great shield tank on mine, sucks, now I'm gonna have to switch rep and rigs. |
Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.11.04 05:09:00 -
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They should keep the slot layout as is and actually do something about the cpu it has, +75-100 extra cpu should help it, no need to change the slots.
Besides that the fubar cpu requirements of the capital shield booster could use a change. "Fixing" all the capital shield tankers in the process.
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2007.11.04 16:21:00 -
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I got the same opinion as the poster just above.
I hope someone from CCP reads this, and thinks again if this is the right way to "fix" the nidhoggur.
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Fortuk Monmouth
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.04 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Fortuk Monmouth on 04/11/2007 17:05:33
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf
Originally by: Amy Wang
Its still sub par compared to the others
It's now a Thanatos with lower stats, the same recharge, and a far more useful bonus.
6med/6lows would make it far superior to the Thanatos, not that I would mind that since the Thanatos is already the worst of the carriers.
As it stands this is a role buff but a combat nerf, it can fit the full-tank and dual rep of the Than, but it can't fit the superior shield tank it currently can on TQ.
I like the change, now bring the Aeon and Chimera down here with them.
I think you mean archon...
The problem I see with this reconfiguration of slots is that now all but 1 carrier is setup for armor tanking, It basically means that unless you want to train up armor tanking skills fly a chimera. I don't fly carriers yet, but...
Archon-armor tanked
Thanatos-armor tanked (have heard of shield tanked ones though)
Chimera-Shield tanked
Nid-armor tanked
Originally by: hango
Our corp chat is generally full of people e-hugging and e-snuggling. ISD is cool like that.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.04 17:42:00 -
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The change suits me so I like it, but It still won't really make up for having the least cap and HP by a decent chunk in return for slightly smaller sig radius and higher speed, which don't really do anything worth mentioning for carriers.
Still, can't really complain about a step in the right direction.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.04 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 04/11/2007 18:13:19
this definately gives my ndhogger a few more options for fitting, but it could still little a little more tbh.
any plan to changes the hel then?
Originally by: Trojanman190
I love the way CCP announces their changes... someone randomly finding an unexplained change on the test server is rediculous. They need to talk to us about these things.
qft.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.11.04 18:20:00 -
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Imagine how many pages the change log for Rev3 is going to be when it's released.
We'll be reading it for hours 
Would be nice if they mentioned the changes simply so people know to go and test them... I presume CCP wants the test server used for testing... right?
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Originally by: Rells
This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. |
Astronoe
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.11.04 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Astronoe on 04/11/2007 18:28:35
So you all guys are suggesting for CCP to write every single change they are trying on the test server and then rewrite another change that didn't go well and again and again and finally releasing the patch notes with the FINAL changes.
Don't you guys think you are asking too much ?
@OP : Topic Title : O. M. F. G. Nidhoggur has a 6th lot slot!!!
More parking space ftw
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.05 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth
I think you mean archon...
I do, I'm always getting those two names mixed up.
Originally by: Fortuk Monmouth
The problem I see with this reconfiguration of slots is that now all but 1 carrier is setup for armor tanking
Agreed, it is unfortunate, however the majority of the ships do not use a shield tank.
Amarr - Armor
Gallente - Armor
Minmatar - Armor/Shield/Speed
Caldari - Shield/EW
The ship itself is actually more capable at supporting shield tankers in its new configuration being able to fit twin remote shield reps and a full-tank.
In an ideal world Minmatar would have two carriers (i'm not counting MS) one armor tanked, the other shield tanked. However they can only have one at this time. I feel this is the best choice due not only to the current fitting issues but also for it to fit in with the Naglfar meaning future capital pilots need train only one set of capital repping skills for both their capital ships and to provide additional cap for it's main role.
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Soren
PAK
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Posted - 2007.11.05 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
I love the way CCP announces their changes... someone randomly finding an unexplained change on the test server is rediculous. They need to talk to us about these things.
No... they don't.. we're lucky that they do talk to us.
It's their game you know.
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Treean
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Posted - 2007.11.05 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
I love the way CCP announces their changes... someone randomly finding an unexplained change on the test server is rediculous. They need to talk to us about these things.
What would be the fun of the stealth changes then? BoB couldn't make all that extra isk on privy info.
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