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Bakalla Cera	Posted - 2007.11.03 06:04:00 - [1] Whats the min speed one needs to get an Ishtar to through overdrives/nanofiber internal structures so it can effectively speed tank in solo or small gang pvp (AB or MWD numbers) And what speeds is the ishtar capable of obtaining solo? Thanks
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:00:00 - [2] 0m/s if it's not primary. Try being mroe specific of what you wanna tank, what your gang mates are, whether you want to tackle aswell etc. The Movement is recruiting!
Culitza	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:10:00 - [3] Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier
E Vile Fifth Exiled Legion SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Culitza Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Setups this pricey make me chuckle everytime I help pod them.
Culitza	Posted - 2007.11.03 08:54:00 - [5] Originally by: E Vile Originally by: Culitza Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Setups this pricey make me chuckle everytime I help pod them. then u must be podding a lot of idiots then. A decent ishtar pilot if not blobbed either pwnz or gtfo when the **** hitz da fan
Bakalla Cera	Posted - 2007.11.03 09:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Kehmor 0m/s if it's not primary. Try being mroe specific of what you wanna tank, what your gang mates are, whether you want to tackle aswell etc. looking for a build that will be mainly solo piracy, so needs to tackle...and then can transition well to a small gang would like to be able to tank BCs and Some BSs (ratting raven for example)
Bakalla Cera	Posted - 2007.11.03 09:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Culitza Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier wouldnt want to spend a small fortun to achieve it, looking for speed numbers for a reasonably priced set up and the minimum orbit speed ill need to achieve in order to effectively speed tank a turret or missle boat
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.11.04 01:50:00 - [8] 4km/s Ishtar 2x T1 Poly rig 3x T2 OD / 2x T2 Nano 3x Hardwiring implants - 3% ones / Ship velocity / Ship Agility / AB+MWD velocity And nav skills at 4's or 5's That pretty much gets you a 4km/s cheap. Don't snake for a Ishtar, not worth it. The Pusher Man
Kailiao The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.04 01:59:00 - [9] Or you can be a man and tank it
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Kailiao Or you can be a man and tank it Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed.

Kailiao The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Ishmael Hansen Originally by: Kailiao Or you can be a man and tank it Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed. Again, be a man and tank it Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away?
Delnas White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Kailiao Originally by: Ishmael Hansen Originally by: Kailiao Or you can be a man and tank it Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed. Again, be a man and tank it Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away? Minimizing risk while maximizing profit when your to lazy or have to short of an attention span to rat/mission/mine... thats why. **** White-Noise Nuff said.
Kailiao The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Delnas Originally by: Kailiao Originally by: Ishmael Hansen Originally by: Kailiao Or you can be a man and tank it Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed. Again, be a man and tank it Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away? Minimizing risk while maximizing profit when your to lazy or have to short of an attention span to rat/mission/mine... thats why. Sigh.. Number #1 rule in eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If ccp suddenly got rid of mwd's, would you quit playing?
Delnas White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Delnas on 04/11/2007 02:32:16 Originally by: Kailiao Originally by: Delnas Originally by: Kailiao Originally by: Ishmael Hansen Originally by: Kailiao Or you can be a man and tank it Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed. Again, be a man and tank it Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away? Minimizing risk while maximizing profit when your to lazy or have to short of an attention span to rat/mission/mine... thats why. Sigh.. Number #1 rule in eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If ccp suddenly got rid of mwd's, would you quit playing? Of course not... I don't fly Nano. :p I simply understand why people fly them, and support it. In fact, I'm getting ready to buy my first Nano ship. ^_^ I guess that means I do fly them... w/e... **** White-Noise Nuff said.
Delnas White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.11.04 03:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Delnas on 04/11/2007 03:50:09 Speaking of me buying my first nano ship, got a question. When you want max speed while moving around a target, which is better? 3 Overdrives, 2 Nanos, and two Low Friction Nozzle Joints Rigs 3 Overdrives, 2 I-Stabs, and two Polycarbon Engine Housing or 3 Overdrives, 1 Nano, 1 I-Stab, 1 Low Friction Nozzle Joints Rig, and 1 Polycarbon Engine Housing rig? Edit; Never mind. Looking at their stats it is painfully obvious. I was hoping the Polycarbon's higher cost would not indicate they worked better for what I wanted. sigh **** White-Noise Nuff said.
Bakalla Cera	Posted - 2007.11.04 10:40:00 - [16] well what are the pros/cons of armor tanking vs speed tanking the ishtar? i actually ended up buying one tonight because someone was selling one for 120mil with a trimark and auxilary pump rig on it, so pretty good deal.
Jinmie	Posted - 2007.11.04 10:50:00 - [17] If you want to armour tank get a Myrmidon. Ishtar Tank isn't great, it has a bonus to drone control range, it's meant to be far away from the battle.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.04 11:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Bakalla Cera well what are the pros/cons of armor tanking vs speed tanking the ishtar? i actually ended up buying one tonight because someone was selling one for 120mil with a trimark and auxilary pump rig on it, so pretty good deal. You get killed by BC's with the armor tank. Yarr
Spank YouLater	Posted - 2007.11.04 14:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Mr. Orange 4km/s Ishtar 2x T1 Poly rig 3x T2 OD / 2x T2 Nano 3x Hardwiring implants - 3% ones / Ship velocity / Ship Agility / AB+MWD velocity And nav skills at 4's or 5's That pretty much gets you a 4km/s cheap. Don't snake for a Ishtar, not worth it. what are the names of those hardwiring implants ?
Mr. Orange Gallente Band of Freelancers	Posted - 2007.11.04 15:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Spank YouLater Originally by: Mr. Orange 4km/s Ishtar 2x T1 Poly rig 3x T2 OD / 2x T2 Nano 3x Hardwiring implants - 3% ones / Ship velocity / Ship Agility / AB+MWD velocity And nav skills at 4's or 5's That pretty much gets you a 4km/s cheap. Don't snake for a Ishtar, not worth it. what are the names of those hardwiring implants ? Open your market and go through the descriptions, I can't recall and I'm not about to go do it for you... The Pusher Man

Spank YouLater	Posted - 2007.11.04 16:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr. Orange Open your market and go through the descriptions, I can't recall and I'm not about to go do it for you... No need to get all shirty about it, i only asked cause i kinda presumed you knew off hand(seeing as YOU recomended them) but meh nvm i'll find out.
Amberly Coteaz Amarr Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.04 16:55:00 - [22] Edited by: Amberly Coteaz on 04/11/2007 16:56:18 Originally by: Spank YouLater Originally by: Mr. Orange ... what are the names of those hardwiring implants ? Slot 6 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' AY-1 (+ 3% agility) Slot 7 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' CY-1 (+3% base speed) Slot 10 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' MY-1 (+3% AB and MWD speed increase) Slot 10 has that, turret CPU reduction and warfare mindlink implants. I can never choose which one I want, normally I have to go for cpu If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong
Spank YouLater	Posted - 2007.11.04 17:56:00 - [23] Thank u kindly amberly
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Bakalla Cera Originally by: Culitza Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier wouldnt want to spend a small fortun to achieve it, looking for speed numbers for a reasonably priced set up and the minimum orbit speed ill need to achieve in order to effectively speed tank a turret or missle boat that is not expensive setup. Most of the isk is in your pod not in your ship. And if you do low sec or empire fighting, then your pod is 95% safe. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 18:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Amberly Coteaz Edited by: Amberly Coteaz on 04/11/2007 16:56:18 Originally by: Spank YouLater Originally by: Mr. Orange ... what are the names of those hardwiring implants ? Slot 6 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' AY-1 (+ 3% agility) Slot 7 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' CY-1 (+3% base speed) Slot 10 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' MY-1 (+3% AB and MWD speed increase) Slot 10 has that, turret CPU reduction and warfare mindlink implants. I can never choose which one I want, normally I have to go for cpu Slot 8 has a Zor Hyperlink implant for extra 5% speed. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Panteroid Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:01:00 - [26] I had about a 4-4.5km/s ishtar. It was a very basic setup: Polycarbs, 3 overdrives, 1 istab, 1 nano. Implants. I found that killing certain ships was rather difficult. So I now use a setup designed just to kill well.. basically everything. 3- 150mm rails t2, 1 med neut, 1 med nos mwd, disruptor, cap injector w/800s, 2- t2 tracking disrupt 1 med rep, 1 exp hardener, 1 istab, 2 overdrives No snake set, a couple of implants, and 2 t1 polycarb rigs. 3300m/s. Easily outruns high dmg drones. Easily tanks fast low damage drones. If a ceptor gets a web on you. You neut/nos him to worthless. Tracking disruptor is good for messing up those pesky vaga's and such. Drones: 8 zerker II's, 5 ogre II's, 10 warrier II's.
Bakalla Cera	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Panteroid I had about a 4-4.5km/s ishtar. It was a very basic setup: Polycarbs, 3 overdrives, 1 istab, 1 nano. Implants. I found that killing certain ships was rather difficult. So I now use a setup designed just to kill well.. basically everything. 3- 150mm rails t2, 1 med neut, 1 med nos mwd, disruptor, cap injector w/800s, 2- t2 tracking disrupt 1 med rep, 1 exp hardener, 1 istab, 2 overdrives No snake set, a couple of implants, and 2 t1 polycarb rigs. 3300m/s. Easily outruns high dmg drones. Easily tanks fast low damage drones. If a ceptor gets a web on you. You neut/nos him to worthless. Tracking disruptor is good for messing up those pesky vaga's and such. Drones: 8 zerker II's, 5 ogre II's, 10 warrier II's. i like this set up a lot since i bought this ishtar with the trimark and auxilary rigs, and everyone seems to agree that speed tanking is the way to go with it, ive been trying to come up with a middle ground that gives me enoug speed and the ability to do some armor tanking. How much slower do you think i would be with this setup minus the polycarb rigs? Not a big deal if i have to replace the rigs though, paid barely nothing for them.
Earthan Gallente The Absolutely Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:03:00 - [28] Hmm im hearing so much about these nano setups these days, im back after long break... I have a doubt tough , in the age of hugnin/rapiers isnt that a big risk? I mean you are paper thin you loose speed , you die... - Killing Eve bullies all over the galaxy hunting stories
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Earthan Hmm im hearing so much about these nano setups these days, im back after long break... I have a doubt tough , in the age of hugnin/rapiers isnt that a big risk? I mean you are paper thin you loose speed , you die... There designed to gank idiots, run away from blobs and run away while screaming like a girl if a huggin appears. HARDCORE PVP YO
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.04 23:50:00 - [30] Edited by: madaluap on 04/11/2007 23:51:45 Originally by: MITSUK0 Originally by: Earthan Hmm im hearing so much about these nano setups these days, im back after long break... I have a doubt tough , in the age of hugnin/rapiers isnt that a big risk? I mean you are paper thin you loose speed , you die... There designed to gank idiots, run away from blobs and run away while screaming like a girl if a huggin appears. HARDCORE PVP YO No. Small gangs of 5-10 T2 nano ships can achieve EW supriority, have enough speed to not get killed by blob number #18373, have enough DPS to kill another small gang and are more fun in general cause you are not camping a gate 24/7. Try moving through 0.0 in a non-nano ship looking for targets, IT WILL NOT WORK. I ******* hate this new part of EvE, adapt or die that what a lot of small gang pilots did and you start whining your balls off because of it. Nerf you! You may not agree with it, but im not undocking in my navy issue megathron in 0.0 unless im pretty sure i wont have 20 carriers and 30 bs dropped out on me. I rather undock in a 8.8 km/s vagabond. Same price if you include the pod and (watch out, number made up on the spot) 1000% more effective. edit: Thats the realitity of small gang pvp in EvE atm. Dont you get it? _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



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