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WarProfit
Ubuntu Inc.
Lonely Maple Conglomeration
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:21:00 -
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Do you think CCP is too lazy to survey its player base and determine what needs to be fixed and what doesnt then vote YES to the removal of CSM.
If you believe CSM provides a valuable resource to both CCP and the player base then vote NO |
Disband the CSM
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:23:00 -
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Hell yes, yo! |
Marcus Harikari
Mama Luba Davay Davay
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:24:00 -
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Disband the CSM wrote:Hell yes, yo!
roflmao |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:24:00 -
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So CCP can't be bothered to survey their playerbase, thus, the CSM should be disbanded?
idgi
andski for csm7~ |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:26:00 -
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Personally, I am of the opinion that we could do without it. I have seen posts where goons have openly admitted that they have been manipulating the system, so why should the rest of us "pubbies" continue to deal with blatant manipulation?
I think that a direct survey would be a much better option than the current situation that many of us are unhappy with.
As an added bonus, it would be a cost-cutting measure for CCP, no more flying the CSM members to Iceland for parti-- er, meetings.
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2984
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:28:00 -
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Acutally yes, I really do think that ccp cannot listen to all of us.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:29:00 -
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If I don't get access to NDA'd information nobody else should have access to it either!!!
also free trips to Iceland for all players! |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:32:00 -
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WarProfit wrote:Do you think CCP is too lazy to survey its player base and determine what needs to be fixed and what doesnt then vote YES to the removal of CSM.
If you believe CSM provides a valuable resource to both CCP and the player base then vote NO
You need to read this. That will help you understand the CSM. Not just a superficial understanding, but a deeper understanding of why they exist, why they are good for EVE and what their purpose is.
Then read this, to see what they are actively doing.
My vote is NO, I believe the CSM is valuable. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:35:00 -
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CSM is still evolving into the thing we all first thought when CCP came out with it.
Give it time, clearly the only issue is that the CSM while popular and very knowladgeable in most areas, do not currently support every profession and play type/style.
They will get there.... chill :) |
WarProfit
Ubuntu Inc.
Lonely Maple Conglomeration
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:So CCP can't be bothered to survey their playerbase, thus, the CSM should be disbanded?
idgi
I have never once been asked to fill out a survey or personally respond on the status of the game by any memeber of CSM. Explain to me how CSM surveys players other than those in their current corp/alliance. |
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Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.27 19:41:00 -
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WarProfit wrote:Andski wrote:So CCP can't be bothered to survey their playerbase, thus, the CSM should be disbanded?
idgi I have never once been asked to fill out a survey or personally respond on the status of the game by any memeber of CSM. Explain to me how CSM surveys players other than those in their current corp/alliance.
CCP survey. They do so roughly every month, you can even win prizes. It is in the Newsletter. You are subscribed, right?
CSM does not generally survey to the best of my knowledge, they discuss. (See here) |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
314
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:11:00 -
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I don't think the CSM should be removed, I think there need to be changes made. We don't need a group of selfish idiots pushing their agenda; we need people who can actually represent the players as a whole.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
As stated by a fellow player, Mara Rinn, "EVE is not an internet spaceships game. It's a game of politics, subterfuge, capitalism, empire building and trust."-á
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Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:19:00 -
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A lot of courtesy flushes are required in threads about the CSM.
"For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:23:00 -
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Op seems to think that MMO players like filling out questionares and surveys. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:29:00 -
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The current CSM have helped drive CCP development back toward Eve Online. A large portion of the information provided by CSM members (past and present) shows depth of understanding that regular players do not have - unless they spend 2-3 hours a day reading about Eve Online.
To quote Winston Churchill Quote: The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter
In regards to the oft pushed opinion that CSM members should represent everyone - no person who steps forward for public duties represents everyone - they represent their constituents. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6547
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:31:00 -
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Disband the CSM wrote:Hell yes, yo!
Pretty awesome combination, gotta say.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
265
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:32:00 -
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What CCP should do is make changes to the game based on the asinine, poorly thought out, hugely contradictory ramblings of the tiny percentage of players who post on the forums, that would be super effective. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:36:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:What CCP should do is make changes to the game based on the asinine, poorly thought out, hugely contradictory ramblings of the tiny percentage of players who post on the forums, that would be super effective.
You mean the players who care enough about the game to populate the community?
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Rene Fullchest
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:39:00 -
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Keep the CSM, yes.
I am, however, in favor of some tweaking, along the lines of having representatives elected out of the major professions, in order to form a more coalition type of representative body. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
430
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Posted - 2012.01.27 20:48:00 -
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WarProfit wrote:Do you think CCP is too lazy to survey its player base and determine what needs to be fixed and what doesnt then vote YES to the removal of CSM.
So your idea is that since CCP doesn't listen to their players, they should remove the most effective way of discerning what players want? I don't get it either
Also "winning" is not really the same as "manipulating the system" unless of course you lost the election
Or are you saying that Mittens, like an inept Russian bureaucrat, stuffs electronic ballot boxes before the election even begins?
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
753
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Posted - 2012.01.27 21:01:00 -
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Well if you don't want any CSM, then don't vote.
oh wait
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.01.28 01:45:00 -
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Vote None ofthe Above!
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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