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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:09:00 - [1] The long fight back So we move into the first month of war against Sev3rance alliance and wider Amarrian Providence. The early skirmishes are done, the dust from the first battles is settled and our enemies are known by callsign and activity times, their patterns clear and their responses growing increasingly predictable. WeÆve certainly taken heavy losses in the opening weeks of the war but weÆve learned invaluable lessons, weÆve practised engagement methodologies entirely alien to our past experience and weÆve learned more about POS infrastructure and modules than we ever wanted to learn. The Free Captains of the Star Fraction are no strangers to adversity however, and while some organisational chaff is blown away by the stern testing of deadly battle, the remaining revolutionaries of the movement become proven warriors of arts and cunning and full commitment to the task at hand. We have passed the opening tests now, weÆve fallen into traps, weÆve suffered slaughters and upsets but weÆve learned and assimilated everything the war has taught us to this point and now its becoming clear that the pressure is telling on the foe, gaps appear in their ranks, cries for help are heard in the Citadel channel, CVA commissars are deployed, restless industrialists hoped for easy profit from collaboration with the slavers in Providence are disabused of their notions and driven from the enemies colours in humiliating retreat and swiftly turned-coats. This War Diary is the story of how patience and stalwart commitment to the cause brings rewards. No flashy fleet victories with 100 a side and enemies rushing to the slaughter this is true. But consistent disruption of Amarrian power in Providence and quisling pets of the CVA regime dying a ship at a time, unlamented and without mercy, each small victory a mark on the road to a free Providence in a future we will all live to see. Control Towers and Cloaking Devices ItÆs necessary at this point to give some observations on the technology employed at the strategic level between warring forces in Providence. This isnÆt a war between starships alone, nor between the courage of duelling captains and roving patrols. At a profound level itÆs a contest between the territorial meme itself and its material expression in the form of deployable control towers and the near invulnerability they grant the standing power. An invulnerability that is itself critically-flawed, in that it teaches weakness and cowardice and ironically reduces the ability of the space-claiming alliances to actually project control any further than the tower shields extend. The pro-CVA forces designated ôholdersö by the dominant regional power, hold their pride in Providence in the form of sovereignty-claiming control towers. Each tower is a bastion for their forces; they have shields which cannot be reduced in any practical timescale without the application of Dreadnaught class munitions and a significant operation of multiple capital class vessels. The ôholdersö are able to remain safe and unchallenged within these shields and they function as ôcastlesö in a hostile country, allowing them the boasting rights of sovereignty and safety from counterattack or rapid enemy advance. Further, these ôcastlesö have additional powers including the jump bridge arrays (which allow large numbers of Providence loyalists to instantly travel from system to system within range of other jump bridges) Cyno Jammer arrays (which prevent the creation of the Cyno fields needed to bring Dreadnaughts and Carriers and such to assault to ôcastlesö) and even system wide scanning arrays which the holders can use to find any enemy vessels abroad in their claimed systems. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:09:00 - [2] Incredibly powerful one might think, and definitely an advantage for the territorialist power that much is true. It does mean that Sev3rance (and the other Holders) can keep their people ostensibly active and aware in their systems without threat from enemy action. Hence we see abandoned Carriers and Battleships, drifting within the Tower shields, we see the rulers of Providence routinely encamped within these places, often restricted in their movements 24/7 with Tower to Tower and Jump Bridge transit their only options for transit. But, there is a countermeasure and one weÆve learned from the UshraÆkhan and employed well in the weeks covered by this war-diary. The Cloaking device û is a balance for the Tower Shield. While Sev3rance ships can idle invulnerably within the Towers, so too can our vessels patrol without threat or restricting with protection from Improved or Covert Cloaking modules on our ships. This often leads to the situation where the CVA allies are crouched within Tower shields, while the freedom fighters, Star Fraction and other anti-slaver forces in Providence have control of the Star Gates with cloaked camps and invisible patrols all aimed at damaging the safety and comfort level of the would be Holders. The Cloak removes the numerical advantage of the Providence loyalists, it lets the insurgents choose their engagements, makes the overwhelming forces that the Jump Bridge can project largely irreverent, and it mirrors the security that the tower shields provide for the slaver levies at lonely moons. A strange conflict then, often one of high numbers but limited casualties now, hours of patrolling, waiting, threatening, a test of patience and resolve û how long can the industrialists of Quisling Providence survive the state of siege they endure from unseen assailants waiting in the systems they ôclaimö with increasingly hollow sounding claims. The CVA levies in Providence hate the Cloaking Device. One can see why. ItÆs the flaw in their otherwise invulnerable control through the technology of control towers and strategic level machinery. Its no surprise they take this view û after all, without the Cloak there would no pretence at balance. They could fight entirely when they chose and force engagement on the insurgent forces whenever they felt they had numerical advantage. This is the earnest desire weÆve seen from the CVA bloc, their frustration at being denied advantageous engagement by Cloaked raiders is palpable and the glory at evading a 100 ship loyalist Providence fleet muster only to slip past and slaughter some would be ôholderö in this proud battleship a couple of systems away is something to be experienced to be believed. This is the nullsec war then, Tower vs Cloak, the craven many vs the courageous few, and old tale in the annals of our civilisations and once more our warrior-heroes use stealth and the cover of night of strike blows at sitting territorial tyrants taking their ease amidst all the corrupting architecture of their apparent power. Empire Suppression Quite apart from the war of Tower vs Cloak in 0.0 territories there was a second front against Sev3rance specifically in the Empire war patrol operations designed to isolate and choke off their supply runs to the critical Control Tower systems in upper Providence. Here Star Fraction consistently held the advantage with our pilots fully prepared to engage in swift response operations and to make those territorialists who dared leave their Tower Shields pay a heavy price for tangling with seasoned warriors in an environment clear of Jammers, and Jump Bridges and hundreds of levy allies before engagements could even begin. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:10:00 - [3] Over a 72 hour period Star Fraction traded a trio of fast patrol Ishtar Class HACs and as many Taranis class Interceptors for enemy losses amounting to: 4 Battleships (Hyperion, Rokh, Maelstrom, Abaddon) 6 Battlcruisers (2x Drakes, 2x Hurricanes, Myrmidon, Brutix) 4 Industrial class targets (2 Barges, 2 Industrials) and almost a dozen less calibre vessels and targets executed in their capsule. It was very clear we had the balance of power here and in response Sev3rance gave orders for their pilots to withdraw from Empire, while several of their key industrial corporations left the alliance itself to continue their operations under an apparent flag of neutrality. Sniper ops Less successful on our part was an experiment in the deployment of Cloaked Sniper Battleships as a means of confronting the overwhelming firepower that Sev3rance could count on through their Providence allies at certain times of high activity. Our challenge was to find a way to bring their pilots out of the Tower shields in KBP while nonetheless having a way to score casualties against the very large groups of enemy ships that would typically respond to their cries for help. During a 72 hour period of testing new Sniper paradigm we saw the loss of friendly ships including: Megathron class Battleship, Myrmidon class Battlecruiser, 3x Taranis class Interceptors, Crow and Stilleto Interceptors, Hawk class Assault Frigate and a Manticore class Stealth Bomber. We also lost an empty and unfitted Bestower Class Industrial used as ôbaitö with no crew and all flight functions wired directly from capsule control (that did succeed in bringing a Maelstrom Class target to its destruction) WasnÆt all bad news however for while the Sniper ops training continued in KBP our patrols continued to score victories against the enemy accounting for 4 Battleship kills (Rokh, Maelstrom x2, Scorpion) Drake Class Battlecruiser, Zealot class HAC and a lone Caracal class cruiser. However, conclusions being that the Sniper detachments were not functioning effectively against the overwhelming numbers of prime-time Providence levies and other methods would have to found. Breakthrough Sunday 28th began well with Star Fraction empire space patrols continuing to score significant victories against Sev3rance and allies with enemy forces losing Rokh and Armageddon class battleships, and a pair of covert ops frigates to our swift reactions. Wider ranging patrols also managed to tweak the tail of a stalwart of the CVA Citadel channel trading the downing of a Sabre class Interdictor for the ôbaitö fitted Dominix of Vyktor Abyss in X-R3NM system out of Misaba. Then came the critical engagement of the evening back in KBP7-G system, where a Sev3rance ôbait and trapö operation turned very sour for their fleet commander when Star Fraction responded fast with overwhelming force ourselves reinforce the tackled and dying Sacrilege class HAC of Free Captain Lucai. Sev3rance pilots scrambled to ôupshipö their vessels from the nearby tower while SF ships plunged into the system and when the dust had settled weÆd slain the entirety of the Sev3rance group for no further losses. Sev3rance executor ôFuriousPigö was shot out of an Abaddon class battleship moments before another Rokh class hull was despatched to tumble amongst the ruins of a pair of battlecruisers (Hurricane and Drake) a Celestis class cruiser and Stilleto class interceptor. Fleeing from the battle into Dital system via the stargate Sev3rance pilot ôDreamyö (famous for being the pilot that earned his alliance the KOS status from SF months ago) was trapped and blown to pieces in his Cerberus class HAC and podded in the wreckage. Empire being absolutely no escape-option for Sev3rance! War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:11:00 - [4] Cold Steel Slaughter Better and better would follow. Growing with confidence following the rout of Sev3rance forces in KBP Star Fraction patrols went deeper into Providence and while our enemies preferred to hide behind Tower Shields we scored additional victories against a pair of CVA levy battleships (Megathron and Abaddon) in B-WPLZ system while keeping up the pressure on empire ops with yet another Sev3rance Maelstrom class battleship exploding in Bagodan system and a Drake class battlecruiser downed in Naeel. Sev3rance were staring like rodents into the headlights at this point and it seemed they couldnÆt approach a stargate or undock from a station without getting scrambled and eliminated by rampant Free Captains running riot through the imperialist dreams. Then the word came that weÆd trapped a Cold Steel Nidhoggur class Carrier in the CSA claimed ôsovereignö system of JEIV-E. Star Fraction scrambled a fleet to take it down and we were swiftly joined by free-fighters of the UshraÆkhan and Exuro Mortis full intent on removing this insult to Matari pride and ensuring that no slaver-pet would survive in control of such a proud vessel. The engagement was a slaughter. Star Fraction provided the Battleship class support with Abaddon, Rokh and a pair of Armageddons, with the majority of remaining vessels of the HAC and Recon classes. Effortlessly despatching the NidhoggurÆs guard fleet of 3 Battleships (Abaddon, Raven, Typhoon) Zealot, Drake, Hurricane, and a pair of stealth bombers the allied force was not seriously threatened despite the reported presence of an additional twenty ships from Sev3rance two systems away that had formed up but apparently suffered a last minute loss of courage and wavered instead on the verge of engagement before choosing to return to the safety of their Tower shields. Somewhat amazed weÆd downed the Cold Steel Carrier with no loss and further surprised that Sev3rance had withdrawn rather than threaten our forces during the looting and salvage ops we chalked this one up as a total victory and laid the blame at Sev3rance having internal morale problems as a result of their recent defeats and inability to contest SF fleet dominance in empire. Happy Hunting Days So began a long period of almost total space dominance against Sev3rance and allies. For five long days we knew victory after victory with only minimal losses. In this period Star Fraction casualties were a single Cerberus class HAC, one Sabre Class Interdictor, one Hound class Stealth bomber and a lone Claw class Interceptor. In exchange we took the following from Sev3rance and their allies: Six battleships (Rokh, Armaggedon, Dominix, Typhoon, 2x Scorpions) an Absolution class Command Battlecruiser, 10 Battlecruisers (7x Drakes, 2x Myrmidon, Harbinger) Eagle and Cerberus class HACs, 3 Hugin class Recons, Rapier, Pilgrim, Lachesis, 3 tech1 cruisers, 3 tech2 frigates and a pair of industrial vessels. An incredible disparity of losses, and made possible by collapsing Sev3rance morale and one has to lay the blame at least partially at the ôinvulnerabilityö of the Control Towers in KBP. For while they do create an impossible barrier against those wishing to fight on Sev3ranceÆs own terms, they do precisely nothing to increase the general standard or awareness of deeper military response or capability. Many times weÆve scored victories in Dital or Esecama systems merely a jump or two away from the 20-30 ships waiting inside the Tower shields in KBP system but Sev3rance seem to have lost the will to fight. I can only imagine how terrible it must be for the Sev3rance pilots dying alone in space surrounded by a rag-tag of revolutionaries in light ships while the Sev3rance fleet waits at bay in the Tower next system over. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:12:00 - [5] One particular custom also came to our awareness in this period, several enemy pilots choosing to Self Destruct their vessels immediately on contact with our forces. Incredible really, shows a great lack of will and confidence to yield the loss immediately without even the pretence of a fight. Some theorists have suggested that this is a cynical and self-murderous ôtacticö designed to deny the loot and concord kill-record details to the victors but that seems incredible. To condemn the crew of a Battleship class vessel to almost certain death in the explosion of the fusion core simply to preserve the capsule pilots sense of pride at ônot being killedö by foes. I find it hard to believe any crew would ever fly with such a pilot again. The most blatant exercise of this ôtacticö occurred in KBP system mid afternoon at the Dital gate. A Delictum 23216 Raven class battleship entered the system and was immediately webbed and scrambled by a lone Star Fraction Rapier class recon cruiser that was quickly jumped by a pair of Stealth Bombers aligned with anti CVA forces in system. The combined firepower of the Rapier and bombers were not making significant impact on the RavenÆs shields and intelligence received showed several Providence loyalist Battleships inbound from the Jump Bridge Towers to try and rescue the vessel. Then with shields at around 75% the Raven exploded with the fury of an overloaded engine core with automated Self Destruction messages echoing in local communications. All the crew were killed instantly and the pilot ôRevJesu Marekö was immediately scrambled and executed to follow them to hell for his cowardly deeds. All friendly vessels bailed out ahead of enemy reinforcements still amazed at what theyÆd seen. CVA loyalists Self Destructing their ships at first contact with the insurgent forces, this self professed ôReverendö must have initiated self destruct protocols near instantly when he was attacked, incredible lengths to go to avoid fighting and displaying the courage of his convictions. No surprise then that with membership roster flagging in Sev3rance and this calibre of ôalliesö contesting control of KBP system it was truly desperate times demanding desperate measures. CVA Commissars deployed to KBP During the latter stage of our ôhappy huntingö times against Sev3rance we received notification that the CVA themselves were erecting their own Control Tower in KBP system and were anchoring many guns and defensive systems around the core. Hardin himself have transferred from his own corporation to take up executive ranks inside Sev3rance to signal a formal acknowledgement that this particular ôholderö entity had no chance of holding its border without full scale CVA military assistance and direct command of internal commissars to ensure loyalty to the Amarrian dictates in Providence. FuriousPig would become a deputy in his own alliance as Hardin laid down the law to his Sev3rance levies. No more laxity or independence for Sev3rance, now it was to be the Amarrian way of Governor Hardin or the laser pistol to the back the head if they continued to fail in their duties assigned as the KBP border guards. Soon we saw CVA vessels accompanying all Sev3rance movements, forcing them to camp gates again rather than just hold the Towers, we saw operational training û indoctrination, a direct imposition of CVA military rule and Commissar Hardin took up personal control of the Tower Weaponry while his sister Siobhan took up duties commanding the local military forces in an attempt to turn around the rapidly worsening military situation that Sev3rance had come to be experiencing in KBP. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:13:00 - [6] So a victory of sorts here, weÆd revealed that Sev3rance were certainly incapable of standing defensive duty on their own in upper Providence and through the many military successes in the two week period weÆd forced CVAÆs hand and made it commit all resources to propping up what was now a lame duck puppet regime without any of the pretensions of independence it had made at the beginning of hostilities. Responding to increased CVA interest in KBP system, Star Fraction took part in a significant allied exercise involving elements from UshraÆkhan, Exuro Mortis, Cruel Intentions and other anti CVA forces in a three hour operation to disable the System Cyno Jammer and bring in our own capital forces to offer direct battle to the united forces of Providence. The Jammer was successfully neutralised with some friendly casualties to the Tower guns (manned and upgraded by CVA ôobserversö) and Cruel Intentions brought a Carrier wing into the system to continue the attack on all deployed elements of the 9-2 Cyno Jammer complex and we ultimately rendered all devices and guns and modules beyond the shields non-functional. During this period CVA put out the standard all points bulletin to Providence and around 80-90 enemy vessels answered the call via Jump Bridge to another tower and for a time it appeared weÆd have a fleet fight on our hands with more or less equal numbers and no significant advantage to either side. We came very close to trapping a 40 ship CVA group while it was manoeuvring between Towers but ultimately it was not to be. The CVA commander ordered his entire force to remain behind the defensive shields in system and made no attempt to bring his own capital ships to fight our fleet. After a two hour standoff we cancelled the exercise leaving the system to CVA and levies having learned that their pride alone was not sufficient to bring them forth from the shells. Amarrian Providence spent the reminder of a long night repairing the damaged Tower machinery and fruitlessly camping the gates with up to 120 ships while we were pursuing our targets elsewhere. Status Quo, CVA, Towers and the Cloak Situation remains so in KBP and Sev3rance at the current time. CVA military advisors are still deployed to stiffen the resolve, while Sev3rance continues to suffer beneath the siege of its Empire and Nullsec assets elsewhere. CVA commissars have doubtless stifled the verbal complaints from their allied ôholdersö for the time being and as long as they are in place in KBP its likely weÆll see no significant public defections from the enemy camp (on pain of being shot in the back of the head by Hardin no doubt). But the fact remains, Sev3rance is a diminishing alliance, since the war began we have seen a steady defection rate from its member list and many corporate entities have detached themselves from the cause. At this time they are down five corporations and around 110 members. Some defections have happened as a result of specific ship losses, (Nidhogger class carrier and Freighters) others have happened gradually as people realise that serving the Amarrian loyalist agenda in Providence will not bring them the ease and profit they imagined theyÆd find. While other ôdefectionsö are definitely tactical û with Sev3rance officers making no bones about their choice to outsource their supplies and industry to false-flagged ôneutralsö to defend them against Star Fraction rules of engagement. In either case what is certain is that Sev3rance activity levels are dropping and morale has begun to be impacted now it sinks in to their officers and members that this is not going to be a swift war won in a couple of pitched battles with CVA support. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:14:00 - [7] And for our part, following the disastrous losses in week two we have pulled back our own performance and learned from the mistakes to focus on areas where we can cause maximum disruption and pain to our enemies. The war is very much still in the balance but the pressure is beginning to show some fault line inside the Sev3rance machine and the true test of their capability will begin when the CVA can no longer afford to devote its full time and focus to maintaining the fortunes of these ailing ôholdersö. Statistics Operation Terminus Est SF have lost 42 Battleships, , 4 Command Ships, 14 Battlecruisers, 17 tech2 Cruisers, 11 tech1 Cruisers, 3 Assault Frigates, 13 Interceptors and 32 Capsules to Sev3rance/Borg/CSA action so far in the operation. Sev3rance/Borg/CSA have lost 2 Carriers, 1 Freighter, 45 Battleships, 4 Command Ships, 49 Battlecruisers, 10 tech2 Cruisers, 23 tech1 Cruisers, 5 Assault Frigates, 6 Interceptors, 17 Industrial Vessels and 85 Capsules to SF action so far in the operation. The current Star Fraction ôtop gunsö for the campaign are Heartstone and Felix Doestosvky of Jericho Fraction. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:55:00 - [8] Oh I loved that "Sorry, this is an ideal free system" quote.
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:13:00 - [9] Nice read, BTW Jade's corpse is being looked after behind our pos shields. I think you'll find the corp from Sev3rance who lost a carrier and freighter in the 1st week left then , in the 1st week, not now , oh and our morale, is riding high, very high infact. Shame a pure pvp corp like SF cant really hurt -7-, a relativly new alliance with members where this is there 1st taste of pvp.Your own words i beleive were " We can't face u in a head on fight". Keep it up tho, maybe, just maybe your own members will realise this war is un winnable for u and start not listening to all the spheel that comes from your lips. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Snakester oh and our morale, is riding high, very high infact. I heard a rumor that every time Commissar Hardin shoots one of your recruits the morale bar is fully restored ... War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:30:00 - [11] Star Fraction's second carrier kill was a particularly nice touch...the Fractionites continue to show appropriate tanacity. Either I missed it or I'm stepping into a trap: There is no mention of the timely war declarations by the likes of Cruel Intentions and Exuro Mortis against the targets of Operation Terminus Est; their participation and cooperation with Star Fraction on a tactical level doesn't remove the chance of strategic coincidence, (that is to say, maybe they're there to help you, maybe they're there for their own reasons) but it wasn't some sort of Revolutionary Fairy Dust that turned the tables against your targets and necessitated the rather colorfully explained CVA reaction.
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Snakester oh and our morale, is riding high, very high infact. I heard a rumor that every time Commissar Hardin shoots one of your recruits the morale bar is fully restored ... Ive heard a rumour everytime u type a Kitten die's, and i like kitten's. + if your informant was any bloody good you would know Hardin is my alt, now be quiet and go write fairytale books, because it's all your are good for. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:32:00 - [13] A few personal observations: -1- Sev3rance morale is extremely high. -2- Star Fraction currently rarely enters our systems, and never in force. -3- Star Fraction consistently neglects to mention the contributions of their allies. The lack of appreciation makes me feel bad for them. They are: UK, Repo, Einherjar Rising, Exuro Mortis, Cruel Intentions, and Crimson Federation. I apologize if I have forgotten any. Obviously it would be more meaningful coming from Jade, but, on behalf of Star Fraction, thank you for your valued assistance. -4- Sev3rance does not neglect to mention the valued assistance of our brothers-in-arms: Cold Steel, CVA, Borg, Sylph, Paxton, and many others. It is appreciated. -5- I wholly reject the notion that Sev3rance could not stand on it's own against Star Fraction sans their allies. No evidence to date supports that conclusion. -6- Star Fraction continues to harass lone pilots in Empire space as opportunities present themselves. Said activities represent the vast majority (perhaps 95%) of all current Star Fraction operations against Sev3rance and Cold Steel. When we need something from Empire, we consistently retrieve it without issue. Empire space is not where Sev3rance lives. Sev3rance lives in 0.0. We have not withdrawn there. We are not hiding there. Sometimes we are waiting there; usually for an enemy who never arrives. But, mostly... -7- We are winning. Lorna V I am not authorized to speak on behalf of my corp. or alliance. All statements above represent my own opinions. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1603] [/url]
BlueKind Gallente IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:32:00 - [14] Nice read... Really , I know who to ask if i need a speech writer. ---- Bluekind
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Lorna V A few personal observations: -1- Sev3rance morale is extremely high. -2- Star Fraction currently rarely enters our systems, and never in force. -3- Star Fraction consistently neglects to mention the contributions of their allies. The lack of appreciation makes me feel bad for them. They are: UK, Repo, Einherjar Rising, Exuro Mortis, Cruel Intentions, and Crimson Federation. I apologize if I have forgotten any. Obviously it would be more meaningful coming from Jade, but, on behalf of Star Fraction, thank you for your valued assistance. -4- Sev3rance does not neglect to mention the valued assistance of our brothers-in-arms: Cold Steel, CVA, Borg, Sylph, Paxton, and many others. It is appreciated. -5- I wholly reject the notion that Sev3rance could not stand on it's own against Star Fraction sans their allies. No evidence to date supports that conclusion. -6- Star Fraction continues to harass lone pilots in Empire space as opportunities present themselves. Said activities represent the vast majority (perhaps 95%) of all current Star Fraction operations against Sev3rance and Cold Steel. When we need something from Empire, we consistently retrieve it without issue. Empire space is not where Sev3rance lives. Sev3rance lives in 0.0. We have not withdrawn there. We are not hiding there. Sometimes we are waiting there; usually for an enemy who never arrives. But, mostly... -7- We are winning. Lorna V I am not authorized to speak on behalf of my corp. or alliance. All statements above represent my own opinions. You forgot 8 Lorna. *8 - Sev3rance and her allys do not need to make "Diary's" to try to justify themselves to there members or the forum public and do not condone the killing of Kittens everytime Jade type's. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Lorna V -3- Star Fraction consistently neglects to mention the contributions of their allies. The lack of appreciation makes me feel bad for them. They are: UK, Repo, Einherjar Rising, Exuro Mortis, Cruel Intentions, and Crimson Federation. I apologize if I have forgotten any. Obviously it would be more meaningful coming from Jade, but, on behalf of Star Fraction, thank you for your valued assistance. The above is simply false. We have mentioned and given appreciation to the various entities we have fought alongside in this campaign on multiple occasions and certainly in our war diaries. That you can make such a claim indicates you haven't read our material properly and it rather suggests your other claims are equally fallacious. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Djuma Nihilist Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Djuma Nihilist on 07/11/2007 20:58:01 Edited by: Djuma Nihilist on 07/11/2007 20:57:44 I love it when i read smack in a war diary ... it seems it comes from certain persons.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Lorna V -7- We are winning. I think I see what you did there...
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.07 21:54:00 - [19] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Lorna V -3- Star Fraction consistently neglects to mention the contributions of their allies. The lack of appreciation makes me feel bad for them. They are: UK, Repo, Einherjar Rising, Exuro Mortis, Cruel Intentions, and Crimson Federation. I apologize if I have forgotten any. Obviously it would be more meaningful coming from Jade, but, on behalf of Star Fraction, thank you for your valued assistance. The above is simply false. We have mentioned and given appreciation to the various entities we have fought alongside in this campaign on multiple occasions and certainly in our war diaries. That you can make such a claim indicates you haven't read our material properly and it rather suggests your other claims are equally fallacious. The Cosmopolite You are quite correct, I got bored reading before the bit about the Cruel Intentions led fleet of 90+ attacking a -7- POS, getting cold feet once the jammer went down, and leaving w/o accomplishing anything except the loss of multiple battleships to POS guns. A standoff I think Jade called it. You have my apologies. I will revise number 3 when I have a moment. Thanks, Lorna V
Tarun Thred The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.07 22:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Lorna V -7- We are winning. I truly believe it is far too early to start talking in terms of winning or loosing. This is a war of attrition, only time will tell who will last the distance and who will fall by the wayside. tt
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.07 23:18:00 - [21] In the words of my beloved leader: We go on. I salute the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction. Here's to further successes. ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Lorna V -4- Sev3rance does not neglect to mention the valued assistance of our brothers-in-arms: Cold Steel, CVA, Borg, Sylph, Paxton, and many others. It is appreciated. -5- I wholly reject the notion that Sev3rance could not stand on it's own against Star Fraction sans their allies. No evidence to date supports that conclusion. I can't really see the logic of the two points above. Given that its solely the support of CSA, CVA, Borg, Slyph, Paxton and "many others" that is currently keeping Sev3rance in the war its a bit ridiculous for you to say that you could "stand on your own". We didn't expect you too. Just try being a little bit more honest about the debt you owe to Amarrian Providence for your continued existence. As for your other points, you are as ever entirely free to author your own "war diary" to put your own point of view and as ever I'd encourage you to do so. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:24:00 - [23] Considering SF has drawn support from several corp/alliances, it doesnt seem unreasonable that Sev3rance recives friendly support to defend their space. Having friends that willingly support in defense of KBP is a sign of strenght, not weakness. You could turn the argument around and say that SF isnt able to attack Sev3rance without the assistance of their friends/mercs. Logic goes both ways in that regard. I enjoyed the read tho.
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:36:00 - [24] I stand by the quote used in Jade's propaganda poster, however it may sound shorn from it's context. That quote is: "Sorry, this is an ideal free system." It stems from an attempt at debate in KBP7-G local over what the true nature of NRDS should be; a debate raised by Jade's specious case for war against us. Succinctly, my view was, and is, that KBP7-G has no room for the mealy-mouthed words of would-be revolutionaries, and certainly no room for their "ideals". We exist in a practical universe, and observe NRDS in practical way. Warts and all, there exists no better functioning, and no more welcoming, NRDS system in the known universe. Jade is not content with this. She preaches of an "ideal" NRDS where you wouldn't shoot anyone who hadn't personally shot you first. Where one would not take the word of those that fight alongside you in determining who is red and who is blue, or to state her view more accurately, would not even care whether they were honest or not in their appraisal of the threat. Indeed. To not move a whit as friends around you fall? Yes, says Jade Constantine. Until they draw your own blood, they would remain neutral. However much I revile her petty and impractical views, I will refrain from pointing out the flaws in her reasoning here. They assail the reader of their own accord and without assistance. But, as Jade has learned in recent weeks, we are not of her godforsaken ilk. We stand by our brothers as they stand by us. We set red those who would harm our brothers, and trust the steadfastness of their word. Their word has been proven with blood shed alongside us in combat. Who would we trust more? It is a fact that mistakes are made and innocents set red in Providence on the basis of misunderstanding, or, more often, due to the deviant acts of a few bad-actors in what might otherwise be a neutral corp. In as much as that is true, there is a case to be made against us, and our practice of NRDS fails to meet its ideal. None among us claims perfection nor seeks more than we can achieve. We simply do the best we can to honor our commitment to creating a Providence as open to neutrals as it is to its caretakers. We pursue a goal, but we are neither foolish enough, nor vain enough, to consider its outcome an ideal. Now, a sensible person faced with a red standing in Providence would seek recourse through diplomatic channels, and perhaps find Providence not such an unyielding beast. They would recognize that the ideal does not, in fact, cannot exist, and be content that their loss was in pursuance of the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, in Jade's case, the well of fact at the base of her argument has spewed forth from her tortured soul as a fountain of double-talk, and circular reasoning no longer recognizable as an argument at all. She has twisted the pitfalls of any reasoned attempt at NRDS into a case for war, and she continues to pay the price in blood and treasure for her arrogance in doing so. She would ask those of us that seek order and peace in Providence to abandon it to the bowels of chaos; to make it the haven for cowards and pirates it has been for so much of it's existence. For what? In pursuit of an unrealizable and now twisted ideal? To that I say, seek your ideals elsewhere, Jade Constantine. KPB7-G will remain free of them until long after your egoism has found its terminal stage. Lorna V I am not authorized to speak on behalf of my corp or alliance. All views stated herein are solely my own, however widely shared they may coincidentally be by the reasoned and educated among you.
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 00:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Lorna V -4- Sev3rance does not neglect to mention the valued assistance of our brothers-in-arms: Cold Steel, CVA, Borg, Sylph, Paxton, and many others. It is appreciated. -5- I wholly reject the notion that Sev3rance could not stand on it's own against Star Fraction sans their allies. No evidence to date supports that conclusion. I can't really see the logic of the two points above. Given that its solely the support of CSA, CVA, Borg, Slyph, Paxton and "many others" that is currently keeping Sev3rance in the war its a bit ridiculous for you to say that you could "stand on your own". We didn't expect you too. Just try being a little bit more honest about the debt you owe to Amarrian Providence for your continued existence. As for your other points, you are as ever entirely free to author your own "war diary" to put your own point of view and as ever I'd encourage you to do so. If you cannot find the logic here it is because reason for you is but a conceit which you wear as a mask and shed as easily. You have yet to attack us without the assistance of your allies, so by what right do you claim we would fall against you alone? Lorna V [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1603] [/url]
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 01:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Lorna V If you cannot find the logic here it is because reason for you is but a conceit which you wear as a mask and shed as easily. You have yet to attack us without the assistance of your allies, so by what right do you claim we would fall against you alone? Lorna V Simply because you are outclassed Sev3rance vs Star Fraction Lorna. Beyond the Tower Shields and the support of the Providence levies when it is simply Sev3rance vs Star Fraction you have lost the grand majority of engagements. The results from empire demonstrate this completely. I don't criticise you for remaining in the KBP under the shield of your allies though. You simply do what it is sensible and expedient to do. Don't imagine I attack you for doing what you have to do to survive. All creatures make sacrifices when they face hard times. Sev3rance is no different. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Gundano IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 01:12:00 - [27] While it is true a war in empire is a hindrance to our non pvp members sadly still learning about an empire war, it has had little to no effect to the alliance as a whole. Our communication channels are alive with the hopes of combat but sadly station camping is something I have too much respect for myself to bother with. You have and i give thanks for this, given the new pvp members quick lessons for which i am grateful, there can be no substitute for experience. With SF now confined to Empire, operations in sev3rance space returned to the sadly dull normality in my opinion of ISK gathering. The war for me over the past few weeks has become a big disappointment, with all the posturing and gesturing that these forum diary's bring, the reader in distant space would not be blamed for believing that KBP and sev3rance space was brightly lit with explosions and burning wrecks as ships and pilots dueled for dominance. The reality is that this is just a forum war with little action in space. I have been forced to rat in belts for the past two weeks to pass the time. Despite a couple of attempts to harm our Structures in which the enemy jumped in, lost battleships and jumped out again, an utterly pointless exercise with only the accomplishment of something to write about achieved. And i know cyno jammers off line and hostile capitals jumping all sounds wonderfully exciting, but a few hours later everything returned to normal with only hostile wrecks to be counted. To date the Anti-providence forces have done very little to providence. (nothing that I can tell). The removal of the neutral slammers only allowed CVA to expand there borders in providence and friendships between Providence residents to grow in mutual co-operation. I say this not in any propagandists terms or to upset any reader, but as a reflection of my own views. Those reading these posts should be aware that right now this war only occurs here on the forums, with scattered events in space to give inspiration to the well written diary only.... many ships have been lost on both sides its true, but the losses taken on either side fall significantly short of harming an alliance on any basis. Sorry to be a kill joy to those reading the constructed written diary's but its just another war I hope will start properly soon. As i write this I point out that sev3rance space has two cloaked ships (neither of them war targets) at safe spots in one systems with all the others clear (very interesting stuff I know ) I shall return to my ratting and report if at last the promised action appears. Ps I notice you do not include losses by Maned POS Guns in your final numbers or on the killboards. Not an accusation but a question: Do these losses not count? I hope to see you in space a little more often PLEASE
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 01:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Gundano Ps I notice you do not include losses by Maned POS Guns in your final numbers or on the killboards. Not an accusation but a question: Do these losses not count? I hope to see you in space a little more often PLEASE Previously we had no policy on the loss to Manned POS guns Gundano. It had implications to our NRDS policy as well. I believe we are going to retroactively put our losses to POS guns up on the board (believe we have one outstanding) but it is going to mean that we are going to be considering the activation of manned POS guns on our ships as a hostile act (well yes) in the future. I know it sounds strange but we'd up to this point considered such things "environmental hazards" rather than actual attack. In any case yes, such losses will be counted and we'll be getting the missing killmail up as soon as we can. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 01:42:00 - [29] I have seen from the front lines the progress made against the forces of oppression. I will not deny the pilots of Sev3rance their delusions of adequacy, but they should recognize the decay in their ranks. Defection is at an all-time high. My pity to the pilot who is so deluded he does not see that.
Gundano IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 01:46:00 - [30] Thank you Jasmine, that clears things up. I understand that as Guns can now be controlled thus moving them from environmental to Player action, others have had the same conversation and decision to make. I shall update our killboard also and hope the others in this conflict follow our compromise.
Gundano IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 02:01:00 - [31] It may look that way to you seeing pilot numbers only. But to us its just people moving alts so they can bring in supplies. Which now we are in 0.0 is something everyone needs. The only pilots to leave us did so because of an internal agreement in which the corporation decided sev3rance was not for them. They parted and we wished them luck.. I say this with the up most honesty "They would not have been staying with us regardless of the war" And agreed to leave shortly before we even knew about your coming actions against us. Our Voice channels have the same number of people in them there has always been. Just a few less Alts in the ranks
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 02:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Simply because you are outclassed Sev3rance vs Star Fraction Lorna. U really beleive this don't you?, u know something, i have respect for one, only one of your pilots, he's my old AXE FC, without him, u deserve no respect, u just talk fancy.And worst of all, your pilots beleive you, i find Your aqusations that "you are so much better then us" offensive, you just sit in empire taking out our newer players, 1 -7- Bs falls to your 10-1 ganks, then stroke yourselfs saying how good you are, Jade, listen to this ........ it's the sound of me laughing at you. PS Saul, come join -7-, these guy's don't deserve you. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 02:36:00 - [33] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 08/11/2007 02:36:23 Originally by: Snakester i find Your aqusations that "you are so much better then us" offensive, you just sit in empire taking out our newer players, 1 -7- Bs falls to your 10-1 ganks, Don't get upset please Snakester. If you don't like your newer pilots falling to our patrols in Empire then you are going to need to defend them better. Many times while we are destroying your novice battleships in empire you are sitting at the Tower Shields in KBP. If you stirred yourselves to leave those shields more often (and without the benefit of huge numbers of reinforcement Providence levies) then you'd do a better job of defending your pilots. There is no point getting mad with us for demonstrating the flaw in territorial conceit Snakester, its the Star Fraction's ideal and reason for existence. We're here to teach you that hiding in castles will not make you safe. If you're getting that message we're doing our hearts desire and achieving the goals of the movement. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Lorna V If you cannot find the logic here it is because reason for you is but a conceit which you wear as a mask and shed as easily. You have yet to attack us without the assistance of your allies, so by what right do you claim we would fall against you alone? Lorna V Simply because you are outclassed Sev3rance vs Star Fraction Lorna. Beyond the Tower Shields and the support of the Providence levies when it is simply Sev3rance vs Star Fraction you have lost the grand majority of engagements. The results from empire demonstrate this completely. I don't criticise you for remaining in the KBP under the shield of your allies though. You simply do what it is sensible and expedient to do. Don't imagine I attack you for doing what you have to do to survive. All creatures make sacrifices when they face hard times. Sev3rance is no different. You notice how you have to qualify that with "The results from empire demonstrate this completely."? I noticed. Bet everyone else did too. Does that mean you haven't done as well in similar engagements in open space? You know, the kinds of engagements it would take to remove us from our space as your stated goals require? The very space you mock me for staying in, freely ratting in, freely mining in, and, frankly, freely blowing up hostile ships in. Well, however many vs. 1 empire ganks don't mean squat to me and certainly doesn't address how you think you could oust us from our space all by your lonesome. The ill-advised choices of a few, and often the same, pilots may pad your killboard slowly back to respectability, but that's all they'll do. To use them to support a claim of fighting force superiority is tantamount to saying that if every -7- pilot came into Dihra one by one you'd win every engagement. It's a laughable position to take, and while a lot of people seem to expect better of you, I frankly don't. And, ironically, it seems the real question I asked will never be answered because you already know it. Would it be a good, tough fight? Sure. Would we be standing and in control of the same systems at the end of the day? We both know we would. But, realistically, we've got allies, you've got allies and we'll never see for sure. So, enough with the -7- would crumble if not for... blah, blah, friggin' blah until you've proven otherwise. If empty speculation is all you're left with, who, indeed, is the one facing hard times? Lorna V Again, these are my opinions only; not those of my corp. or alliance.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Lorna V The very space you mock me for staying in, freely ratting in, freely mining in, and, frankly, freely blowing up hostile ships in. Here is where our discussion must end Lorna V. Because the situation you describe doesn't in our view exist. We will agree to differ and see each other in space. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:30:00 - [36] Apologies for hi-jacking this well written account but there's something I'd like to address: Originally by: Gundano To date the Anti-providence forces have done very little to providence. (nothing that I can tell). To say we have done very little or nothing is simply to either be blind to reality or to be so holed up in your POS you haven't noticed. Sure the slavers and you, their supporters, hold sov, that is not in debate. But take a look about you for a moment ... I have fought in and about Providence a long time and are well aware of the ebb and flow of traffic, corporations and individuals within it. It is a simple and undeniable fact that much of Providence is largely empty these days. Why do you think that is? Do you observe the Providence market? It's next to dead. It thrived when U'K was a sovereignty holder in the region but now barely manages to sell mints and tea leaves to battle worn slavers and their ilk. To hammer the point home here's some cold hard stats. Since I ordered the start of our "Burn Providence, Burn" campaign Ushra'Khan pilots have destroyed some 4097 ships and inflicted some 130 billion isk damages on the residents of slaver Providence. Look at it how you will, but to say that nothing has changed in Providence, or that U'K or our allies have achieved nothing is a falsehood. Providence under CVA rule is shadow of its former self, a wasteland under the misguided rule of an oppressive regime. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 03:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Lorna V The very space you mock me for staying in, freely ratting in, freely mining in, and, frankly, freely blowing up hostile ships in. Here is where our discussion must end Lorna V. Because the situation you describe doesn't in our view exist. We will agree to differ and see each other in space. While I can agree that your stated view differs from mine, I have difficulty believing the view that whispers to you late at night is the same as the one you claim in public. Enjoy said view nonetheless, and I will continue enjoying reality. Or, is it just for want of an adequate response that you end our little chat? I could offer to construct one for you, but, by definition, it could be no more true than if you found inspiration for your own. Either way, see you in space. Lorna V [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1603] [/url]
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.11.08 04:46:00 - [38] Karn is correct in his assessment of Providence. The Providence of today is an absolute wasteland compared to the Providence of a year ago. System after system of barren space, with nothing but empty POS whistling to themselves and a few clumps of Amarrian loyalists clinging together for safety. CVA's original space may remain active when a serious hostile hasn't camped it down, but southern Providence is resoundingly dead. The station systems of 9UY, QR-, etc... are used pretty much only by ghosts, with the CVA ... looks for what word we agreed upon... friends... largely declining their use as too dangerous. Shrug, perhaps it will respawn in time. But last I looked, Providence was painfully bare. Definitely a pale shadow of its former self. Neutral activity? Thriving markets? You must be thinking of last year.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 04:49:00 - [39] Edited by: Garreck on 08/11/2007 04:50:38 Originally by: Karn Mithralia Providence under CVA is shadow of its former self Your generalizations aside, by what measure? I'd be interested to see an average population of pilots operating in Providence over a given timespan now vice one year ago. I'd be interested to see a statistical analysis of ships pirated in Providence now vice one year ago as proportional to the current population of the region. I'd be interested to see real isk numbers concerning goods bought and sold in the region now vice one year ago. Hate the CVA all you wish, but as a pilot who has been very active in Providence for years, I can tell you that it has a far greater population, far greater transit of goods, and far more items available to me on the market now than ever, and what I can't get from the market I take from those who would threaten the security of the region. I only wish I had an objective numbers study to provide as direct proof. I would say this: it has been an observed and recorded (the proof of which is quite contraband in this summit) that Ushra'Khan pilots will regularly attach one or two interceptors to a CVA-hostile fleet, take part in a battle, and statistically account for a billion isk worth of "damage" in Providence at a time. Your numbers are subjective at best...the reality in Providence defies them.
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.11.08 05:29:00 - [40] By the very measure that both CVA and UK have touted as the true measure of regional health within these discussions - number of pilots active in systems, amount of market activity, and the number of neutrals that do business in this region. I can tell you from direct experience that in southern Providence (former UK territory) where I have spent a substantial amount of time over the past year, all of these are dramatically lower. Not 'a little lower', but great big leaps and bounds over. So yeah, its pretty darn desolate in comparison. CVA may own the region now, but it was vastly more thriving during UK reign.
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:18:00 - [41] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 08/11/2007 04:50:38 Originally by: Karn Mithralia Providence under CVA is shadow of its former self Your generalizations aside, by what measure? I'd be interested to see an average population of pilots operating in Providence over a given timespan now vice one year ago. I'd be interested to see a statistical analysis of ships pirated in Providence now vice one year ago as proportional to the current population of the region. I'd be interested to see real isk numbers concerning goods bought and sold in the region now vice one year ago. Hate the CVA all you wish, but as a pilot who has been very active in Providence for years, I can tell you that it has a far greater population, far greater transit of goods, and far more items available to me on the market now than ever, and what I can't get from the market I take from those who would threaten the security of the region. I only wish I had an objective numbers study to provide as direct proof. There is no way you can spin out of this one, Garreck. Numbers mean nothing if the market and movement is confined to r3 and x-r. All the other outposts in providence, maybe with the exception if the one if x6 are consistently empty on all timezones, and, while I have considered buying up all of the market's reserves of something to sell it at a higher price, I was dissapointed to find that it is impossible to find most kinds of ammunition in any of your stations, not to mention ships, or modules. Originally by: Garreck I would say this: it has been an observed and recorded (the proof of which is quite contraband in this summit) that Ushra'Khan pilots will regularly attach one or two interceptors to a CVA-hostile fleet, take part in a battle, and statistically account for a billion isk worth of "damage" in Providence at a time. Your numbers are subjective at best...the reality in Providence defies them. Please, you know this is not true. We run gangs every day, and while we do sometimes join forces with our allies, we definitely do NOT do what you've said. I am proud to say that the U'K has largely moved away from (in my opinion) useless frigates, our most used ships in the past months being Vagabonds, Huginns, Rapiers, Ishtars and other heavy assault ships. The amount of interceptors flown by U'K members is at an all time low. ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Forty Three The amount of interceptors flown by U'K members is at an all time low. Yep, i agree with this, but it's only because, when they fit there cloaks, it don't really leave alot in the way of firepower.If they all flew cloaked ceptor's, they would need to deploy a huge amount of numbers. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
Amalas MAFIA	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Snakester Originally by: Forty Three The amount of interceptors flown by U'K members is at an all time low. Yep, i agree with this, but it's only because, when they fit there cloaks, it don't really leave alot in the way of firepower.If they all flew cloaked ceptor's, they would need to deploy a huge amount of numbers. Why do Severance continue to bang on this same worn out old drum? As pointed out by Jade in this diary and many others before her, this is no different than you hiding behind a POS shield which you do alot. Also, I remember times where Severance members were cloaked watching Ushra'Khan camp "your" gates. Is this also to be scorned? Seriously, drop the cloaking jibes. It's pathetic.
greeny knight Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:41:00 - [44] mm my relpy is long overtime, my opinion about the war is like the big 1914-18 war here alot of shooting alot of yelling but nobody got 1 step closer to victory , like i said in local to one of uk at newyears eve we have a 1 hour cease fire and sing around a campfire (proton star) only thing i can say about the industrial alliance mentioned in the journal , look at my title ingame "pitchforkminer " that means i earned my wings in another big alliance "rest there souls " so a few captains in sf know what i talk about when you interrupt my mining. and one question is now on my mind how mutch the "moneyspender " that finance this wars is spending on a weekly basis , because i hear its between 10-20 bil isk , mm you can buy alot of ships from it that goos boom in kbp ,if we see you there that is , ganking haulers there is no skill in involved ganking lone bs with 5-10 people eigther Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:49:00 - [45] Originally by: greeny knight at newyears eve we have a 1 hour cease fire and sing around a campfire (proton star) i do like the idea somehow.
Astrum Ludus Amarr Themz Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 11:07:00 - [46] I see no mention of your own woeful captaincy Jade. Captaincy which saw the crew of your very own Ishtar Heavy Assault Ship burn under the heat of Amarrian laser fire, your ship destroyed by a lone rank and file Sev3rance member.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 11:17:00 - [47] Originally by: Forty Three ....while I have considered buying up all of the market's reserves of something to sell it at a higher price, I was dissapointed to find that it is impossible to find most kinds of ammunition in any of your stations. I would certainly hope so. Basically, if you were even allowed to dock in any of our stations let alone buy and sell on our markets, I would consider that a distinct failure on the part of CVA. Personally, I fail to see the relevance of this "activity" debate at all. The facts are that during the U'K sway over Deliverance Reclaimed and the surrounding systems the trade conducted there by honest, GOD fearing people was nill (or very close to it). CVA has reclaimed the rubbish heap U'K left floating in space and we have given it a proper name: Deliverance Reclaimed. After a paint job and a lot of cleaning it is now serving a purpose in service of GOD and Empire rather than a purpose in defiance of them. How can that be seen as anything but a huge success? Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 11:19:00 - [48] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: greeny knight at newyears eve we have a 1 hour cease fire and sing around a campfire (proton star) i do like the idea somehow. So do I. Of course we both know who will be serving the drinks don't we? Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 12:30:00 - [49] For once I must agree with Ushrakhan here.....why? Because in northern Provi Numbers are lower.....why? Because one year ago there was a 500man alliance stationed out of here, that being Ushrakhan...they are not here anymore. Now the few pilots here are here to pirate...wait sorry "Shoot supporters of slavery". Imperial Order are gone, all of Ushrakhans former allies who were the main economic buyers/sellers are gone. Now lets have a look at the numbers of Neutral and friendly traffic in northern Provi. These are up. The amount of neutral and friendly economic activity in northern provi, up massivly. The raiding parties that do come through are usually in speed fitted ships or are fitted with cloaks (or in some cases, speed fitted ships fitted with cloaks), clear indicationt that our enemies know if they clash in full on force with CVA forces they are going to lose. Yes, i respect that you terrorists specialise in "guirrila tactics" but factor in your losses using these tactics, and they are less than respectable. If we take into account Southern Providence, neutral and friendly traffic is WELL up, the numbers of hostile raiders are down. The Most trouble that comes through are the fast moving Cruel Intentions gangs and AAA raiding gangs, with the occasional Ushrakhan pilot. Providence is not burning quite as much as you think, and any arguments you make about decreased traffic should really take into account the lack of yourselves as a strong presence in Providence, and the traffic that makes up for your absence.
Axen Vormar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 12:52:00 - [50] Nothing left to say, but for one thing: the fight will continue. And Snakester will explode, by the looks of it. Well written Madame Constantine.
greeny knight Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Axen Vormar Nothing left to say, but for one thing: the fight will continue. And Snakester will explode, by the looks of it. Well written Madame Constantine. Now leave snakster alone , if you touch snakester you touch every one of us ,and you never whant that , madame ???? is she pimping you out mmmm din't know you where an exotic dancer Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:33:00 - [52] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 08/11/2007 13:37:41 Originally by: Astrum Ludus I see no mention of your own woeful captaincy Jade. Captaincy which saw the crew of your very own Ishtar Heavy Assault Ship burn under the heat of Amarrian laser fire, your ship destroyed by a lone rank and file Sev3rance member. Firstly you should probably realise that 1) I'm not my Cousin, and 2)questioning the veracity of MY War diary will only make you look stupid. Quote: Over a 72 hour period Star Fraction traded a trio of fast patrol Ishtar Class HACs and as many Taranis class Interceptors for enemy losses amounting to: 4 Battleships (Hyperion, Rokh, Maelstrom, Abaddon) 6 Battlcruisers (2x Drakes, 2x Hurricanes, Myrmidon, Brutix) 4 Industrial class targets (2 Barges, 2 Industrials) and almost a dozen less calibre vessels and targets executed in their capsule. Jade's loss is one of the 3 Ishtars was lost in that period. I think you can read the story in the comments on our Kill database. Learn to read before you criticise Astrum Ludus. Will serve you better than silly accusations and spin. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Anjinsansa Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:10:00 - [53] Meanwhile at Star Fraction headquarters; The Cosmopolite.....Jasmine Constantine *"Look Jasmine, the general feeling among the captains is that weÆve did all we can here, these guys are just not budging, lets just call it a day and put this whole sorry episode behind us".* Jasmine leapt from her couch and screamed, "CALL IT A DAY!! how can I call it a day after whatÆs happened in the last four weeks? How can I just call it a day after my public declarations and everything I promised our boys? and Revan, my dear Revan, she would never forgive me. I simply canÆt give it up now Cosmo, not like this, I would look a fool and a blowhard and what of my legacy? How will i be remembered if I pull out now? We have to win, Cosmo, we just have to win at all costs, surely you understand this"? "Jasmine, with respect, this is not just about you, its about the whole of Star Fraction. Look at us, we are wretched, our reputation is plummeting through the floor and this after the highs of victories in the north and our showing in the alliance tournament. Look at us Jasmine, look at what we have become. We are barely recognisable from a common pirate or a UK brigand, and you know what you really think of that lot. Is this what you want for Star Fraction? Because I can tell you, itÆs not what our captains want. Cloaking, running, hiding, days on end without a single kill, this is not our way Jasmine, we must do something, we have to act now before itÆs too late and we lose the support of our pilots". "But Cosmo canÆt you see what I can see? We are murdering them, they canÆt move or mine or rat or make any isk at all, we are starving them to death". "Jasmine, some random empire kills and the occasional sortie into their systems hardly amounts to much. For every ship we kill they replace it with five more. For every tower we attack, they build more and they build them bigger and are still able to fuel them all with ease. They have grown stronger as a result of our actions not weaker and everything we do is on their terms. It is we who are starving Jasmine not them". "Then we will attack, all out attack, we will summon all of our forces and in one decisive battle we will crush them utterly". "I hate to point out but we have tried that already and look what happened, we would need to sell off all our T2 BPOÆs to recover from another slaughter like that, IÆm afraid thatÆs just not an option. "Cosmo, you are my most trusted friend, my greatest ally, how can I get out of this? Pleaseàhelp me". "You donÆt have much time Jasmine, make your decision and make it soon or your Captains will make it for you". Cosmo refused Jasmines outstretched hand, pulled up his hood and walked to the exit. Before leaving he glanced back and gazed upon the slumped figure of Jasmine Constantine, her low sobs shaking her shoulders. As he left the room he was sure he heard her murmur something in low breathà"SeveranceàDamn you all to hell".
Anjinsansa Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:13:00 - [54] Those of us with knowledge of this conflict will find great mirth in Ms Constantines claims of success in this campaign and recognise that they amount to no more than the wild imagineerings of a damaged brain. She is at best a lunatic in need of asylum treatment and at worst a trickster and a charlatan. While the latter may not seem abhorrent to her it is when we realise that those whom she has cheated are not her enemies but indeed her own corp mates and allies that all begin to see the ugly nature of her failure. A fan-fared arrival in Providence with promises of glory against the rabble alliance of Severance and ultimately the CVA will have, no doubt, stirred the blood of her pilots, but all of this has come to naught and she is left head bowed under the hard glare of her once trusting captains eyes. So what now for Ms Constantine and Star Fraction? How to get out of Providence and the doomed Terminus Est campaign with at least a little face saved? Perhaps a greater need elsewhere or a declaration of real undisclosed objectives completed? Maybe even an attempt at reconciliation with the good peoples of Providence and a recognition and acceptance of their vision for the future? Whatever the case may be, reputation restoration for Star Fraction will be a long time coming in the eyes of the many thousands of pod pilots throughout the Eve cluster. Free Captains, show your appreciation, I give you, àà.Ms Constantine!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:13:00 - [55] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 08/11/2007 14:15:02 Creative, but once again you're confusing me with my cousin (I do appreciate it gets boring behind those Tower Shields all day though boys, keep the amusement coming) War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:28:00 - [56] Pig-dogs ARE smelly... The only solution is changing out their pod fluid on a regular basis.
GoGo Yubari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:38:00 - [57] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 08/11/2007 14:38:52 Originally by: Anjinsansa Meanwhile at Star Fraction headquarters; The Cosmopolite.....Jasmine Constantine SNIP I don't know if that's credible. Cosmo tends to use lots more complicated words like ersatz or just longer ones like contretemps and there wasn't even a midget to be seen anywhere. I'd say that's clearly a fake. Love by nature. Live by luck. Kill by profession.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 15:21:00 - [58] Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 08/11/2007 15:24:53 Edit: spelling I'm enjoying the new verbose Severance. Is Kommisar Hardspin giving lessons or do you just read it rote? It also amuses me that, since the latest advances in POS technology, and the time it is taking to adapt, somehow makes the POS-holders elite defenders. Was the same technology in existence back in the days when you assisted CVA in taking Karishal's Defiance the story would most likely be different. As SF learns the new methods you will see more progress. The final joke is obviously that Severance seem to somehow consider themselves defenders of freedom, when they conspired with those who would deny it for all not of their race. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
RagaDude Minmatar Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 15:45:00 - [59] Edited by: RagaDude on 08/11/2007 15:49:21 KBP7-G System, Planet IX Moon2 Cyno Jammer Tower Installation, 15:00 hours: Rows and rows of beam batteries, capital pulse cannons, citadel class shield hardeners and the coruscating energy field of the Tower defensive shield, twisting space and turning the stars into distant twinkling motes in a sky darkened by fusion-stabilized coherent energy. ôThereÆs no-one out there Anjinsansa, no-one at all.ö The gaunt figure of Lorna V flickered into existence in the minds-eye holoimaging of the IronPig officer's virtual command bridge. ôThere is nothing to fear brother, the anarchists and terrorists are just lies made up by our enemies, they have no power here, they canÆt touch us, we are à freeö Anjinsansa triggered discrete mode (there was no need for his bridge crew to hear this) and turned in his capsule fluid as his virtual representation failed to meet LornaÆs gaze, even the imaging software struggling to occlude the grey bags under his eyes and worry lines on his brow. ôEmpty space isnÆt empty, theyÆre out there I know it. Shadows in the void, wolves that hunt invisible, this place has become our prison Lorna, thereÆs no freedom in the shields weÆre penned in like sheep waiting for the cull.ö ôSilence you fool, do you want Hardin to hear this? The CVA is watching our every move and assessing our reliability, take your weakness and stow it quick fast now if you know what is good for us, this isnÆt the time to listen to fears.ö Anjinsansa shrugged, face hooded in the shadows on the virtual bridge. ôThey have no right to judge us, what have they done? Deployed a battlegroup to system and sat within the shields right alongside us and executed our traitors. This is supposed to be OUR system, we were supposed to be HOLDERS? Now weÆre hired guards who canÆt take a move without their commanders and if we question their decisions weÆre punished or exiled. Or worse.ö ôShut up Anji, please shut upö LornaÆs image showed her sinking back to rest in her command chair with eyes bright with passion. Or maybe tears, in the light it was impossible to tell. ôIts just a couple of weeks, they will destroy the terrorists and then weÆll have our System back, theyÆll give us the Tower command codes, Furious will be back in charge and we can start our industries again. Hardin tells us that they are beaten already, we just need to keep the faith and purge the weakness from our ranks and all those who quit the cause are traitors worthy of a traitors death. HeÆs Amarrian, he must be right, they are godÆs people you know.ö Anjinsansa turns away, heÆs heard this tone in the words of zealots and converts, now angry he speaks raw and bitter accusation, ôI canÆt forget what happened, I donÆt care what the orders were, they were MY people Lorna, that was MY ship, five thousand crewmen slaughtered in Esecama by the Fraction while you were here in the Shields suppressed by a couple of cloaking UshraÆkhan bombers. Why didnÆt you come?ö ôOrders brother, we were told by Hardin never to engage without 5-1 odds in our favour, we couldnÆt come or weÆd be thrown out of Providence just like the Slammers. You donÆt know what theyÆre like; you donÆt know what theyÆre capable of. You havenÆt seen, you havenÆt been to the camps on the planets below, so donÆt tell me about your loss. Now is the time to obey, keep our heads down, do what they say, nothing else.ö Anjinsansa regards space again then, looks past the misty hologram of his comrade-at-arms and gazes to the Shield around the Tower Structures and the faded stars beyond. ôI tell you they ARE out there Lorna, and theyÆll come for us. One day, like in Esecama, I canÆt take the risk. IÆm not ready, tell Hardin IÆm not fit for patrol, my ship isnÆt ready, my crew isnÆt ready. IÆm going to stay here and run continuity tests, reactor is not stable, I'm not coming.ö Lorna faded out leaving Anjinsansha to his fears.
Astrum Ludus Amarr Themz Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 15:56:00 - [60] Quote: Firstly you should probably realise that 1) I'm not my Cousin, You Constantines all look the same to me. Quote: and 2)questioning the veracity of MY War diary will only make you look stupid. As stupid as a light weight, tankless Heavy Assault Ship flying in to web range of, and being destroyed by, a ship not even fitted with Warp Disruption capabilities? My 'silly accusations' are ones of woeful pilot error, which as you rightly point out are fully ratified on your own Kill Database. My 'spin' is to call you up on your glorification of a kill against the Sev3rance executor, while you bury a similar loss (under altogether more embarrassing circumstances) in half a sentence of miscellaneous deaths until such time as you are challenged. Such is the way of The Star Fraction, such is the veracity of your war diary.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Astrum Ludus As stupid as a light weight, tankless Heavy Assault Ship flying in to web range of, and being destroyed by, a ship not even fitted with Warp Disruption capabilities? What you call stupidity we call courage. How clear it is that weeks of pressure are having a negative effect on Sev3rance morale. Immediately after fighting this battle you spoke with honour and reflected on your lucky escape having emerged from a 1v1 with our executor with Harbinger in deep structure. Now a couple of weeks on you try to use it as an example of ... what exactly? Our executor fights dicey 1v1s and risks all to make a kill? That the Fraction can afford HAC losses? That sometimes the enemy can win? I'm not seeing your point Astrum Ludus, and I'd advise you to look within your own heart and remember the warrior ethos you had two weeks ago and try to break free of the spin-doctrination the CVA commissars have forced upon you this week. Foolish. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin If we take into account Southern Providence, neutral and friendly traffic is WELL up, the numbers of hostile raiders are down. The Most trouble that comes through are the fast moving Cruel Intentions gangs and AAA raiding gangs, with the occasional Ushrakhan pilot. Providence is not burning quite as much as you think, and any arguments you make about decreased traffic should really take into account the lack of yourselves as a strong presence in Providence, and the traffic that makes up for your absence. oh come on, you can't be serious about 'The occasional Ushra'Khan pilot'. You saying this leads to one of three conclusions: - You're blind. - You're stupid. or - You're lying. now, I know that you're not blind, and I'm quite certain you're a very capable pod pilot, so the only conclusion left to make is that you're lying. Lachrymal, Thrasher and Kebabski have been in southern providence every day for the past two weeks, killing more than two dozen battleships and countless smaller craft with little to no loss. And that's just three pilots. The fact that you do not see us while we kill your pets and guests does not imply a failure on our part, but on yours. You can't ignore it any longer. Perhaps you should advise your 'guests' to warn you of our presence after they wake up in their clone vats? ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Originally by: Forty Three ....while I have considered buying up all of the market's reserves of something to sell it at a higher price, I was dissapointed to find that it is impossible to find most kinds of ammunition in any of your stations. I would certainly hope so. Basically, if you were even allowed to dock in any of our stations let alone buy and sell on our markets, I would consider that a distinct failure on the part of CVA. I think you will find that, to your surprise, it is not necessary to dock at your stations in order to access your markets, and nothing prevents anyone from buying or selling off-station. All it takes is a bit of skill with the market interfaces ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:51:00 - [64] Edited by: Garreck on 08/11/2007 16:51:52 Originally by: Forty Three Lachrymal, Thrasher and Kebabski have been in southern providence every day for the past two weeks ...three pilots constitutes "occassional," slave-kin. Each of these pilots have lost multiple vessels to the CVA alone in the past couple of weeks, and each of these pilots have left me personally a wealth of drones as I need but to show up for them to flee the area. I realize preying on solo neutral pilots who have no idea of the historical conflict between U'K and CVA, and therefore have no clue that a U'K pilot would have reason to attack them is quite boast worthy for the self styled "warriors" of Ushra'Khan, but I'm afraid 24 battleship kills in 2 weeks with multiple heavy assault and battleship losses of their own is not really a terribly great indicator that Ushra'Khan are burning Providence at all.
greeny knight Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:52:00 - [65] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Astrum Ludus As stupid as a light weight, tankless Heavy Assault Ship flying in to web range of, and being destroyed by, a ship not even fitted with Warp Disruption capabilities? What you call stupidity we call courage. How clear it is that weeks of pressure are having a negative effect on Sev3rance morale. lol right, i fly more around in 0.0 kbp constaletion as you do, moral is greater then ever , we ratting mining under the cloacked eye of uk , tody 1 time we got a sf in our system 10 min he left , its tru cva needed to teach us to fight against bait bs on gates with 20 2 systems furder to gank 1 ship, because camping empire station to get people that lives in 0.0 is . to put it to you in a few words we are here to stay and i hope your moneybank isn't drying up so we can have alot of laughs watching your movements to camp amarr or when some of your commerads in arms get blown away by concord try to disable our eyes. its pitty to see a dominix try to gank me in my blokaderunner in dital and on the undockingpoint of essesca station ,thats how desperate your troups are to get a kill to get a pat on the head from you Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:55:00 - [66] Originally by: greeny knight lol right, i fly more around in 0.0 kbp constaletion as you do, moral is greater then ever , we ratting mining ... Not with Sev3rance flagged vessels you aren't. We watch your Towers round the clock. Thats pretty much where you are. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:18:00 - [67] Originally by: RagaDude LornaÆs image showed her sinking back to rest in her command chair with eyes bright with passion. "The CVA is watching our every move and assessing our reliability, take your weakness and stow it quick fast now if you know what is good for us, this isnÆt the time to listen to fears.ö Poor Ragadude. His corp so devoid of competent leadership that he fancies me a commander and our allies overseers. Suppose if my FCs led my corp so often into slaughter, I might lose grasp on the words' respective meanings as well. So sorry to disappoint, but what might pass for a leader in Star Fraction is just another grunt in the IronPigs. Now, an overseer he should know by now. Those would be the ones in his own alliance who have turned him from a "Free Captain" to a "Free Captain" only in Dihra by their persistent lapses in judgment. Perhaps, we see in his comments more a projection of his own plight, than anything relevant to our own? Lorna V
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:31:00 - [68] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Astrum Ludus As stupid as a light weight, tankless Heavy Assault Ship flying in to web range of, and being destroyed by, a ship not even fitted with Warp Disruption capabilities? What you call stupidity we call courage. How clear it is that weeks of pressure are having a negative effect on Sev3rance morale. Immediately after fighting this battle you spoke with honour and reflected on your lucky escape having emerged from a 1v1 with our executor with Harbinger in deep structure. Now a couple of weeks on you try to use it as an example of ... what exactly? Our executor fights dicey 1v1s and risks all to make a kill? That the Fraction can afford HAC losses? That sometimes the enemy can win? I'm not seeing your point Astrum Ludus, and I'd advise you to look within your own heart and remember the warrior ethos you had two weeks ago and try to break free of the spin-doctrination the CVA commissars have forced upon you this week. Foolish. Jade Constantine on the loss of her Ishtar 2007-10-19 21:04:54 quoted directly from her own killboard. "How stupid do I feel. First mistake was fitting a 7.5 range scram. I discover this while blowing him apart while orbiting at 20. I get him to structure and think better close in and scram - dc2 :(" Huh? Need I say more? Yes, lets. "What you call stupidity, we call courage, I mean stupidity, I mean courage, I mean stupidity, I mean courage, I mean......" Yeah, you get the picture. Star Fraction in a nutshell. Lorna V
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:39:00 - [69] I think you'll find that quoting killmail comments on the IGS is frowned upon. But do as think best Lorna. My comments stand. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Astrum Ludus Amarr Themz Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:10:00 - [70] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Now a couple of weeks on you try to use it as an example of ... what exactly? Our executor fights dicey 1v1s and risks all to make a kill? That the Fraction can afford HAC losses? That sometimes the enemy can win? I'm not seeing your point Astrum Ludus, and I'd advise you to look within your own heart and remember the warrior ethos you had two weeks ago and try to break free of the spin-doctrination the CVA commissars have forced upon you this week. I'm the same guy Jasmine, all that's changed is that I've seen the way you conduct your public affairs and decided to take a little polish from your carefully spun story. I'll continue as I have been; fighting, making money and enjoying my time in Providence
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:56:00 - [71] Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 08/11/2007 22:57:36 Jade/Jasmine I find your war diarys very sycophantic, it all seems to be a little one sided and always about how SF are fighting the good fight to free the amarr slaves or conquer there slavers blah blah blah....but where are you in all of this? i notice when the going gets tough...Jade/Jasmine gets going...lol Im not a role player as i find it as dull as ditch water, neither am i armarrian, a slave, or a slaver yet this is all i hear time and time again....these war diary's depict, Sev3rance, and other friendly alliances to be slavers and pets of CVA, when you could'nt be further from the truth had you tried....im not a slaver nor anyones pet but yet enjoy a fruitfull an enjoyable relationship CVA devoid of any negativity The only thing you have learned about POS warfair is the fact you need to piggyback in on Cruel Intentions/Exuro Mortis/Ushra Khan as they attempt to take them out. You talk about how we hide behind POS shields AGAIN (Yawn)? at the end of the day we stand toe to toe with your corp at every opportunity while you run for the hills and engage your cloaks to hide from us then smack in local about how we hide at POS's, VERY bad show for a CEO to be doing that jade, you should know better, You also said "Jump Bridge transit is their only options for transit" Cloaked ships in our area of space do not make any difference to us as we still travil freely, you really are starting to believe your own propaganda which is kinda pathetic and sad, but seeing as you have to show face and try to keep up the morale of your corp in this futile attempt at a war, i guess i will let that one slide yet again...lol You claim to be in Providence to free its inhabitance, but what you fail to realise is that you cant free people who already enjoy there freedom.....your allaince has even told some porkie pie's at the EVE Fanfest when they put that lil chubby chap (Never caught his name)on stage and said you had some success's against CVA....lol....i have to admit that it made me laugh.. But again that was propaganda as you are fully aware....and i believe he mentioned forum warfare?...i take it he was referring to the smack talk SF pump out on a regular basis? and his 7:41 minute speach seemed to go on for what seemed an eternity...you should really get someone else to do your speaches for ya next time;)...lol... As for Sev3rance morale...well keep putting chubby funny guys like that on EVE tv and it will keep us laughing for months to come....lol Originally by: Djuma Nihilist I love it when i read smack in a war diary ... it seems it comes from certain persons. yeah your own CEO.....lol lil Chubby Man Link Regards Renosha
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:27:00 - [72] Originally by: GoGo Yubari Originally by: Anjinsansa Meanwhile at Star Fraction headquarters; The Cosmopolite.....Jasmine Constantine SNIP I don't know if that's credible. Cosmo tends to use lots more complicated words like ersatz or just longer ones like contretemps and there wasn't even a midget to be seen anywhere. I'd say that's clearly a fake. Quite right, my dear lady, however any attempt at a satirical poniard thrust or two is to be welcomed by the subject, even one so poorly executed as that rather tatterdemalion bit of doggerel. Ultimately, such scribblings flatter the subject, if in a backhanded manner, and say more about the yearnings of the author. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Renosha Argaron Jasmine I find your war diarys very sycophantic, it all seems to be a little one sided and always about how SF are fighting the good fight I don't think that word means what you think it means. As for the rest, you're sound a little like a lunatic addressing things that only you can see. Reality is that Sev3rance are pinned inside Tower shields and you can't come out. No surprise really that you're inventing a fantasy world for yourselves to explore and enjoy instead! War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:39:00 - [74] Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 08/11/2007 23:39:27 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron Jasmine I find your war diarys very sycophantic, it all seems to be a little one sided and always about how SF are fighting the good fight I don't think that word means what you think it means. As for the rest, you're sound a little like a lunatic addressing things that only you can see. Reality is that Sev3rance are pinned inside Tower shields and you can't come out. No surprise really that you're inventing a fantasy world for yourselves to explore and enjoy instead! syc+o+phant[sik-uh-fuhnt, -fant, sahy-kuh-] û a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite. looks about right to me.....lol
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:43:00 - [75] Edited by: Snakester on 08/11/2007 23:44:32 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron Jasmine I find your war diarys very sycophantic, it all seems to be a little one sided and always about how SF are fighting the good fight I don't think that word means what you think it means. As for the rest, you're sound a little like a lunatic addressing things that only you can see. Reality is that Sev3rance are pinned inside Tower shields and you can't come out. No surprise really that you're inventing a fantasy world for yourselves to explore and enjoy instead! Ive ratted today and made over 277 mil isk my dear girl, on Snakester , in and around KBP. Took me back over 27 billion isk , ta very much. How's the Station in Dihra?, working out alright for you?, bet u can't wait for walking in stations :). [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:43:00 - [76] Originally by: Renosha Argaron syc+o+phant[sik-uh-fuhnt, -fant, sahy-kuh-] û a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite. So are you saying I'm flattering and fawning over myself? I still think you misunderstand the meaning of the word to be honest. But keep quoting the galactic dictionary - gives you something to contribute since the last time we saw you in actual combat was over two weeks ago War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:48:00 - [77] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron syc+o+phant[sik-uh-fuhnt, -fant, sahy-kuh-] û a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite. So are you saying I'm flattering and fawning over myself? I still think you misunderstand the meaning of the word to be honest. But keep quoting the galactic dictionary - gives you something to contribute since the last time we saw you in actual combat was over two weeks ago Thats because im busy making iskies and laughing at your fanfest representative's....lol
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:48:00 - [78] Originally by: Snakester Ive ratted today and made over 277 mil isk my dear girl, on Snakester , in and around KBP. Took me back over 27 billion isk , ta very much. Maybe you'll afford to fly a battleship one day then. And maybe even risk it in combat? We live in hope War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:50:00 - [79] Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 08/11/2007 23:51:25 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Snakester Ive ratted today and made over 277 mil isk my dear girl, on Snakester , in and around KBP. Took me back over 27 billion isk , ta very much. Maybe you'll afford to fly a battleship one day then. And maybe even risk it in combat? We live in hope That we do...but hope dont put iskies in your wallet dear;)...as for battleships, we have more than enough thanx for your concern though....im touched....lol
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:52:00 - [80] Originally by: Renosha Argaron That we do...but hope dont put iskies in your wallet dear;)...as for battleships, i have more than enough thanx for your concern though....im touched....lol Keep telling us how unaffected you are by the war Renosha. Maybe one day you'll convince yourself. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:53:00 - [81] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron That we do...but hope dont put iskies in your wallet dear;)...as for battleships, i have more than enough thanx for your concern though....im touched....lol Keep telling us how unaffected you are by the war Renosha. Maybe one day you'll convince yourself. lol..keep telling us how affected we are by it....we may spring for some cloaks of our very own;)...lol
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Renosha Argaron lol..keep telling us how affected we are by it....we may spring for some cloaks of our very own;)...lol Doesn't need me old fruit, the frenzied responses from Sev3rance personalities trying to explain how their becoming rich from the inside of Tower Shields speaks volumes ... War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:58:00 - [83] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron lol..keep telling us how affected we are by it....we may spring for some cloaks of our very own;)...lol Doesn't need me old fruit, the frenzied responses from Sev3rance personalities trying to explain how their becoming rich from the inside of Tower Shields speaks volumes ... As does your constant need to post war diarys full of fairy tales....lol
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Renosha Argaron As does your constant need to post war diarys full of fairy tales....lol I notice you didn't disagree with any part of the text however, simply preferred to address entirely off topic slander against irrelevant targets? I think the audience can judge your quality quite appropriately for that. For my part the fact that you are the kind of coward that speaks boldly on IGS but is never seen in space speaks volumes as well. Enjoy your Tower Shields Renosha, they are all you deserve. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Snakester Caldari Blood and Money Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:05:00 - [85] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Snakester Ive ratted today and made over 277 mil isk my dear girl, on Snakester , in and around KBP. Took me back over 27 billion isk , ta very much. Maybe you'll afford to fly a battleship one day then. And maybe even risk it in combat? We live in hope I prefer to fly Recon's, we all have our own taste's Jasmine, being a free captain you should know that. In them fleet battles, i'll be in the Rook, jamming your BS's from 220km away thanks, or up close an personal double webbing your nano ships from 53km away, or setting up warp ins on your failed sniper fleets around dital gate,in my Arazu laughing as we pop a mega thats out of range of your other snipers. Remember, Size don't matter, it's how u use it that count's. [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22] [/url]
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:09:00 - [86] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron As does your constant need to post war diarys full of fairy tales....lol I notice you didn't disagree with any part of the text however, simply preferred to address entirely off topic slander against irrelevant targets? I think the audience can judge your quality quite appropriately for that. For my part the fact that you are the kind of coward that speaks boldly on IGS but is never seen in space speaks volumes as well. Enjoy your Tower Shields Renosha, they are all you deserve. Oh touchy touchy jasmine....did i hit a raw nerve there?...lol....i confirm or deny nothing as in your own corp members word's...this is forum warefare right or wrong???...or is that only when you have a gaggle of your co-horts backing you up and agreeing with you?? And what exactly in my statments do you find slanderous? Enjoy your Cloak Jasmine, use the time to write more fairytales to bolster your corps flagging morale
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:17:00 - [87] Originally by: Renosha Argaron Oh touchy touchy jasmine....did i hit a raw nerve there? You have to leave the Tower Shields to actually "hit" anything dear. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Renosha Argaron Oh touchy touchy jasmine....did i hit a raw nerve there? You have to leave the Tower Shields to actually "hit" anything dear. lol..not exactly...iv hit the tower before and scratched my paint work....does thhat count as a hit????
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:24:00 - [89] In Sev3rance terms? Why yes, yes it would Anyway as amusing as this interchange has been (and its our only method of "dialogue" that can penetrate Tower shields after all). I'll have to leave you the last word for fear of derailing my own War Diary thread. And that would never do. Hopefully soon I'll see you in open space. I do live in hope. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Renosha Argaron Caldari IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:29:00 - [90] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine In Sev3rance terms? Why yes, yes it would Anyway as amusing as this interchange has been (and its our only method of "dialogue" that can penetrate Tower shields after all). I'll have to leave you the last word for fear of derailing my own War Diary thread. And that would never do. Hopefully soon I'll see you in open space. I do live in hope. hehe...well i always get the last word in anyway, and yes it is the only "repartee" that can penetrate a cloaking device, so i bid you a fond farwell, and yes my dearest jasmine/jade...whatever....i hope to have the pleasure of your company in the cold of deepest darkest space sometime soon;) Regards Renosha
FuriousPig Amarr IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:14:00 - [91] Ok, I think that is enough. It is wrong to patronise the reading audience, by dragging the thread down with puerile behaviour. I make no comment about the original post, as the subject has been covered extensively & intelligently from both sides & requires little extra comment. I do, however, feel that the subject of ôwho hides mostö is, at best, ridiculous but closer to being absolute drivel. We see Star Fraction sat in a nearby station, or cloaked in local, for hours on end. You see Sev3rance sat in the POS shield for the same duration. I suspect that both sides, in actuality, are conducting their normal, routine, activities. It is both condescending & immoral to underestimate the Eve denizensÆ intelligence by suggesting that either side is paralysed to a specific spot for countless hours. It is also asinine to imply that, were it not for the opposing force, we would be wandering around Providence aimlessly admiring the scenery (beautiful though it is). No, life in Providence is much the same as always. We rat, we mine, we pursue our personal goals but we remain on standby just in case there is a call to arms. No different from you. You might not see it, but life goes on. So can we, please, let the subject rest in peace?
greeny knight Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:06:00 - [92] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Not with Sev3rance flagged vessels you aren't. We watch your Towers round the clock. Thats pretty much where you are. mm greeny on pos lol your info is scetchy and thats a understatment only thing you see from me on a pos is a empty ship because i get the cloacking flea from uk Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Mad Scorpion Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:56:00 - [93] A very good read Lady Constantine. It's truly amazing on how much spin is now being spoken. However it's also important to note that no one has disputed the kill numbers, and after all that is what's important. Winning or losing is not based upon words or feelings, but numbers. Numbers in this case do not lie. Fly safe and valiant free pilots. Mad Scorpion
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:39:00 - [94] Originally by: Mad Scorpion Winning or losing is not based upon words or feelings, but numbers. Let's try not to get this one going again shall we? Suffice to say that the Amarr Block tend to view winning/losing as a function of what outcome a given conflict has. In other words, even if we lose 10 times as much as we kill but retain sovereignty of all Providence we will view this as a victory on our part. For those that use these parameters for success, the campaign by SF can be seen as an utter failure up until this point. I realise that SF (and U'K, ENH Sani Sabik etc??) may see things differently and consequently reach different conclusions. That is your prerogative. Originally by: Mad Scorpion Fly safe and valiant free pilots. As a cheap spin comment to this, I could remark that the free SF pilots do fly safe - they tend to stay in empire or remain cloaked. But to be honest, i haven't really been up around KBP much lately, so this comment is mostly based on the comments made here on IGS Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Djuma Nihilist Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:50:00 - [95]
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:40:00 - [96] Wasn't that covered in the week one diary? Now recruiting!
Ralle030583 Gallente Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:10:00 - [97] lol... nice to see that you have to remind the Horizons looses every time. I personaly even dont count them to -7- looses cause they were only very short in -7- and left very fast and not even full member in my eyes. But its ok you need the kills to push your stats ;-) You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net Originally by: CCP Sharkbait i have untrashed this bug report and i will take car
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:39:00 - [98] Edited by: Lorna V on 09/11/2007 19:45:01 Originally by: Mad Scorpion A very good read Lady Constantine. It's truly amazing on how much spin is now being spoken. However it's also important to note that no one has disputed the kill numbers, and after all that is what's important. Winning or losing is not based upon words or feelings, but numbers. Numbers in this case do not lie. Fly safe and valiant free pilots. Frankly, we're not concerned about the numbers because they're not as one-sided as SF would have you believe. There's a reason that SF doesn't let dollars and cents lost come into it, and it's not because they're so rich they just don't care. Here are the facts: we've suffered 5.4bil in losses from SF and they've suffered roughly 3.8bil. Keep in mind this includes a freighter AND carrier loss from week one by the industrial savant corp horizons (who were in -7- for about a week), and a week and a half of lone pilot empire ganks while they avoided real combat at all costs. The freighter was lost 33 days ago, the carrier 35. If those were going to make a dent in our collective psyches, and our corresponding will to fight, they certainly would have done so by now. Since then we've, instead, been winning. That's right, I'll say it again: For 33 days of a 35 day war, we have been winning. By extension, Star Fraction has been losing. Ability to project power into our systems? Lost Ability to prevail in fleet combat? Lost Ability to rally their own forces in the numbers seen in the first days of the war? You tell me, Jade. Frankly, I haven't seen it. Shall, I even mention the TENS OF BILLIONS spent on allied support and war fees for these dismal results? Originally the goal was to remove first Cold Steel, followed by -7- from our respective systems. Now the goal is only to fight a was of attrition in Dihra of all places. They're not even at war with their primary target Cold Steel anymore. Now it's just an empire war (against a 0.0 alliance); their (recently) self-proclaimed favorite style of war. More exactly, it's a group of 6-10 Star Fraction pilots docked in Dihra doing nothing of significance, and certainly nothing that would ever diminish our ability to hold our space, and/or our fleet combat superiority. So, now that you're more adequately informed, you tell me Mr. Scorpion: Are you still so sure that the numbers in this case do not lie? BTW: Mr. Scorpion? As far as I'm concerned if you haven't shot or been shot by -7- yet, you're not really in UK. And, moreover, if the first bullet you fire is in a forum post, you never should be. For now, I'll just assume you don't speak for them, because frankly, there are quite a few of them I respect more than that. Lorna V
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:52:00 - [99] Once again, Lorna V gets her facts wrong: Cold Steel were not the primary target for this phase of the Star Fraction campaign. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:55:00 - [100] Edited by: Lorna V on 09/11/2007 19:56:35 [url=www.sev3rance.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1603] [/url]
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 19:56:00 - [101] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Once again, Lorna V gets her facts wrong: Cold Steel were not the primary target for this phase of the Star Fraction campaign. The Cosmopolite Right. Not this new phase. New phase starting because last phase failed. Previous phase being remove Cold Steel Alliance form their space. Don't be so purposefully obtuse, Cosmo. Lorna V
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:00:00 - [102] Originally by: Lorna V Right. Not this new phase. New phase starting because last phase failed. Previous phase being remove Cold Steel Alliance form their space. Don't be so purposefully obtuse, Cosmo. Lorna V I'm sorry, I am talking about the entirety of Operation Terminus Est to date. Cold Steel Alliance were not the primary target. You have your facts wrong in this regard. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:12:00 - [103] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Originally by: Lorna V Right. Not this new phase. New phase starting because last phase failed. Previous phase being remove Cold Steel Alliance form their space. Don't be so purposefully obtuse, Cosmo. Lorna V I'm sorry, I am talking about the entirety of Operation Terminus Est to date. Cold Steel Alliance were not the primary target. You have your facts wrong in this regard. The Cosmopolite Not clear on your point except that being overly exact is the only means you have of making a point at all. I'll tell you my point, though. It is that you've had no success in Providence except in transferring ownership of Slammer's space to CVA. You said Cold Steel would be the next to fall. They didn't. Now you're noobing about Empire chasing rookies and industrials to not much effect. It's clearly just a desperate attempt to pad your killboard while you try and figure out how to reclaim some dignity. Why even call it a stage at all? How about we call it a concession prize instead? Sort of a "Sorry, you failed, but here's an 'I killed a hauler in Amaar' t-shirt for your trouble." Enjoy it, but I thinks it's friggin' pathetic. Lorna V
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:30:00 - [104] Originally by: Lorna V Not clear on your point except that being overly exact is the only means you have of making a point at all. I'll tell you my point, though. It is that you've had no success in Providence except in transferring ownership of Slammer's space to CVA. You said Cold Steel would be the next to fall. They didn't. My point is that the above is totally incorrect. As I say, you keep making false claims and getting your facts wrong. Makes everything you say look like a fiction. The Star Fraction was not the guiding power of any campaign against Slammer's and the Star Fraction neither made the claim that Cold Steel would 'be next to fall' or set out to make it so. Believe what you wish. Don't expect anyone reading the totality of Sev3rance posting to be particularly persuaded by it though. Conjuring with the word 'pathetic' while ignoring your own CEO's wish for a more dignified debate seems rather unfortunate to me. However, suit yourselves. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:58:00 - [105] Star Fraction has every reason to be proud of the damage they've inflicted; I congradulate their efforts and wish them the best of luck. And if Sev is pleased with their combat performance, their level of security in their sovereign space, and the 'friendly military advice' (with absolutely no strings attached) provided by their tyranical slaver neighbors, then by all means, be pleased with it! (Remember, the chains don't mean you're "slaves" as such, they are merely "the first step toward a future in which your distant decendents might be enlightened Amarrian sub-citizens", and the vials labelled "VITOC" are actually "humanitarian medical supplies".) As a point of amusement: weren't the Slammers crowing about how high their morale was and how they'd fight to the bitter end -- right up until the bitter end came shortly thereafter, as it turned out? Originally by: "Alois Hammer, 2007.10.02" we will fight for our land for as long as this game will go , do not for 1 moment think we will ever give you these systems .they are ours Originally by: "Public Agent, 2007.10.13" The Slammer's Republic is formally surrendering to Aza under the following conditions: And now, let's return to blowing each other up in a nice, civil manner and see how things turn out, shall we? -- Becq Starforged proprietor of Starforge Industries, a subsidiary of Minmatar Ship Construction Services At Starforge Industries, the world of tomorrow is being blown apart today!
Lorna V Minmatar IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:00:00 - [106] Edited by: Lorna V on 09/11/2007 22:02:00 Originally by: Lorna V Not clear on your point except that being overly exact is the only means you have of making a point at all. I'll tell you my point, though. It is that you've had no success in Providence except in transferring ownership of Slammer's space to CVA. You said Cold Steel would be the next to fall. They didn't. Originally by: The Cosmopolite My point is that the above is totally incorrect. As I say, you keep making false claims and getting your facts wrong. Makes everything you say look like a fiction. The Star Fraction was not the guiding power of any campaign against Slammer's and the Star Fraction neither made the claim that Cold Steel would 'be next to fall' or set out to make it so. Believe what you wish. Don't expect anyone reading the totality of Sev3rance posting to be particularly persuaded by it though. Conjuring with the word 'pathetic' while ignoring your own CEO's wish for a more dignified debate seems rather unfortunate to me. However, suit yourselves. The Cosmopolite Let me ask you a question then, Cosmo. If everything I say is fiction, why have you failed to deny any of it except my reading of your primary motivations? The best you can do is nitpick about whether your motivations and those of Revan Neferis amount to one and the same. That when 99% of what I've said has spoken to your absolute failure in Providence and the current state your alliance has been reduced to by the weakness of its leadership, strategy, and tactics. I used the word pathetic to describe that state because it matches. If you find it's use undignified, one would think you'd find your current situation even more so. Speak to that if you can manage to disagree. But, if your pen's only for parsing, don't bother. No one cares. Lorna V
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:40:00 - [107] Your analysis of the state of the Star Fraction in terms of its member motivation, leadership, operations and general well-being is so far off the mark that it is not worth countering in any substantive way. I deny it in toto. You are just ranting out your opinions of how the Star Fraction is performing on the basis of a mistaken view that appears to think we are obsessed with quick results, and get all hot and bothered when the inevitable ebb and flow in the fortunes of war occurs. You are simply wrong about these matters. We will prosecute this campaign as we see fit, at our pace, our level of intensity, as appropriate, and with maximum flexibility to suit us. Make spurious points off the back of that all you like. Whatever makes you feel better. You believe we have 'failed' utterly thus far. We don't believe we have 'failed' in any broad sense, holding that there is no basis at this point to make any kind of judgement about success or failure. Our views on that are at odds. That's ultimately what it comes down to and I see no real point in going at it on this issue when we will never persuade one another. The independent observer can make their own mind up, if interested, by looking at the information to hand. We openly advertise our War Diary as our view. People are free to produce their own and debate reasonably over the various accounts. We do think a certain amount of respect should be shown to war reports and we have demonstrated that we will not crawl over our foes' reports, picking at every detail, on several occasions. We simply prefer a plurality of accounts to fluorish so that the independent can read all and come to have a picture that is hopefully a synthesis of all the available material. This is why I am really not too worried about anything you say, as I trust in people to make up their own minds one way or the other. This is why I think spending time denying your more florid and fantastic claims would be time ill-spent. You must judge for yourself if your time spent making such claims is profitable. I'd have a hard time convincing myself in that regard but it takes all sorts. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 01:49:00 - [108] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Your analysis of the state of the Star Fraction in terms of its member motivation, leadership, operations and general well-being is so far off the mark that it is not worth countering in any substantive way. I deny it in toto. You are just ranting out your opinions of how the Star Fraction is performing on the basis of a mistaken view that appears to think we are obsessed with quick results, and get all hot and bothered when the inevitable ebb and flow in the fortunes of war occurs. Or, if you still require an interpreter for Cosmo: you are not in our heads. The fight goes on.
Senite Ascani Gallente Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 02:35:00 - [109] Originally by: Vitrael The fight goes on. Couldn't have said it better myself.
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:10:00 - [110] Quote: We simply prefer a plurality of accounts to fluorish so that the independent can read all and come to have a picture that is hopefully a synthesis of all the available material. And I for one thank you for this in particular....
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:41:00 - [111] Originally by: Becq Starforged As a point of amusement: weren't the Slammers crowing about how high their morale was and how they'd fight to the bitter end -- right up until the bitter end came shortly thereafter, as it turned out? Originally by: "Alois Hammer, 2007.10.02" we will fight for our land for as long as this game will go , do not for 1 moment think we will ever give you these systems .they are ours Originally by: "Public Agent, 2007.10.13" The Slammer's Republic is formally surrendering to Aza under the following conditions: I'm afraid comparing Slammers to Severence in terms of motivation, capability, and...well, very much anything else is a bit ignorant. I believe (and I would need to check this) that from the time the campaign against Slammers was announced to the time they surrendered, unmanned Slammers towers had scored significantly more kills against hostile ships than any Slammers pilot or fleet. Slammers were also convinced that the campaign against them was part of a greater Ushra'Khan and CVA scheme. You can see that any comparison of Slammers and Severence on a tactical or psychological level is more or less futile. Except in cases of "how to" and "how not to."
Djuma Nihilist Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 18:44:00 - [112] Originally by: Garreck Slammers were also convinced that the campaign against them was part of a greater Ushra'Khan and CVA scheme. And you're certain about that i suppose?
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 19:14:00 - [113] Originally by: Djuma Nihilist Originally by: Garreck Slammers were also convinced that the campaign against them was part of a greater Ushra'Khan and CVA scheme. And you're certain about that i suppose? I'm not sure what you're asking here, but Public Agent did write a poem about it, yeah.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.10 20:27:00 - [114] Originally by: Becq Starforged And now, let's return to blowing each other up in a nice, civil manner and see how things turn out, shall we? You must be the smart one ;) Comments like these, coupled with the promise of the Ammatar Mandate, is why I keep believing one day you will fulfill the potential we saw in you when we first brought the Word of God to your primitive lands. ----------------------------------------------
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.12 12:42:00 - [115] Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Suffice to say that the Amarr Block tend to view winning/losing as a function of what outcome a given conflict has. In other words, even if we lose 10 times as much as we kill but retain sovereignty of all Providence we will view this as a victory on our part. For those that use these parameters for success, the campaign by SF can be seen as an utter failure up until this point. I realise that SF (and U'K, ENH Sani Sabik etc??) may see things differently and consequently reach different conclusions. That is your prerogative. Important point you make there Octavinus Augustus. Several important points to be precise. Firstly it is good to see an enemy finally appreciating the reality that each organization has its own set of "win conditions" and markers for determining progress in a military campaign. The knowledge that there is no objective "standard" for such progress is a very important thing for readers to realize. The CVA may well consider that Sovereignty is everything. That is the only thing they care about, that its the only measure of anything - but thats the CVA and its your own specific perspective and cannot be considered binding on anybody else's view. And its very useful to see this clearly expressed because it does shed light on your responses to military attack: no wonder you consider you've never been touched or wounded by mere ship loss if the only thing you care about is the sovereignty marker on the galactic map. Then of course we have the issue of "stacking the deck" on win conditions. We all know how incredibly difficult it actually is to change sovereignty in the current state of technology. I'd wager a good number of our readers also understand just how immense a task it is to bring down a single cyno jammer anchored at a single "death star" POS. I imagine most understand that such things are utterly beyond the capability of all but the largest nullsec alliances and simply reading about the huge clash of arms required in the ongoing "Great War" between the Alliance and the Coalition will inform what a massively momentous task achieving any sort of progress on this level actually is. You in the Amarrian bloc are of course entirely free to set your own "win conditions" of course, but lets not fool ourselves by failing to understand that "maintain sovereignty" over X system is currently about as difficult to achieve as Star Fraction members stating that "maintain ownership of our tech2 bpos" is one of ours. Current technology in nullsec provides an immense defensive bonus for the territorial power. Immense. We live in the age of empire building and Tower proliferation, it is easier than ever before to defend what one has in space and given that conventional wisdom (even power sovereignty and cyno jamming) required an estimated 5-10x numerical advantage to attack a fixed postition in space, I trust everyone can see how a significantly outnumbered and generally outgunned insurgent force is going to have trouble sieging a hugely defended position against overwhelming numbers of native levies. Point is. Victory Conditions that are "too easy" to achieve are effectively meaningless beyond the low-brow propaganda usage. Its my contention that the CVA "maintain sovereignty" falls into this category. As a Star Fraction "we continue to exist" would be "too easy" for us to achieve, and would again be meaningless in any useful objective sense. Which leaves us with what? Ships killed (meaningless to CVA because they only care about Sovereignty) Capital ships killed (meaningless to CVA because they only care about Sovereignty) Quislings forced to quit the cause? (meaningless to CVA because they only care about Sovereignty) Economic disruption in Amarrian bloc? Lack of ease and peace for Amarrian "pets?" Etc etc. In other words, there is no common point of understanding for assessing victory or defeat that both CVA and its foes will admit. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Irons Amarr IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.11.12 18:17:00 - [116] I would be extremely interested Jasmine on how you determine a 'Win Condition' from your own point of view as you have so clearly asessed ours and painted some very imaginative findings. Contrary to your opinion (of which you are quite welcome to in your own diary), Sev3rance judge every individual skirmish on its own merits. Every pod pilot that falls during battle matters. Every vessel destroyed at the hands of the non-believers matters. Every failed operation is a learning process and is just as important to us as those operations that are successful. Clearly this war will not end anytime soon, and that is fine with myself and the pilots that fly alongside me. For the record and for the history books, although our allies may fall by the wayside, as long as there is a single member of Sev3rance left standing in our home, you will not prevail. Whats the point of being grown up if you can't act childish once in awhile?
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.12 18:42:00 - [117] I believe you has misunderstood the meaning of Soverenty in this case Jasmine. While the official CONCORD sov markers have a purpose they are not the be all and end all to the CVA by any means, i believe what is meant is the control of the systems, at current our objectives have been to secure specific systems on which our enemies were focusing their efforts on. We have indeed suceeded in vastly reducing enemy activity in those systems and in the case of Star Fraction there has been a very much reduced presence in Providence with Star Fraction pilots seeking engagments in the relativly safer areas of empire space. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
M00dy Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.11.13 18:36:00 - [118] When I read Jade (oh sorry I mean Jasmine) posts I touch myself. Good job so far and gl. Free Jade. RATatatatata
Xenea Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.15 19:32:00 - [119] Yes is the answer and you know that for sure.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.20 15:22:00 - [120] Any news on when we can expect to see the Week 5 diary? I'm sure that there are many people eagerly awaiting the next installment of this gripping magnum opus, especially as this episode ended with the SF appearing to be poised on the brink of victory against Sev3rance. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.20 23:25:00 - [121] I think its going to be a review of "month two" with more general progress for the next version. As indicated by the conclusion of this one we were not "on the brink of victory" as your straw man argument would wish to hear Rodj. We were in the situation of suppressing a foe's empire movements while being unable to winkle them out of their Tower defenses in 0.0. This situation remains much the same. We score kills each day, good kills in some cases, while gradually turning the war in our favor. The enemy tells their troops our presence "doesn't matter" while encouraging its pilots to remain in Towers and avoid unnecessary empire transit. There are some interesting developments to report certainly, but not enough to justify weekly reporting at the current level of intensity. The war has a long time yet to run I suspect, at the moment patience is a virtue and attrition is the name of the game. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.11.21 00:44:00 - [122] Jasmine, I have to say that I have become rather innured to your war diaries. Especially since you implied that you had crushed PIE's ability to operate and deploy force in or around the Throne Worlds. My experience in Alkabsi proves that you were, regretably, woefully inaccurate on this aspect. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.21 01:36:00 - [123] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Jasmine, I have to say that I have become rather innured to your war diaries. Especially since you implied that you had crushed PIE's ability to operate and deploy force in or around the Throne Worlds. My experience in Alkabsi proves that you were, regretably, woefully inaccurate on this aspect. Andreus really, our concord sanctioned war against PIE concluded almost six months ago. If you are trying to deride us now because the Amarrian Throne World loyalists have finally managed to put a fleet together 180 days after we destroyed their last muster at the Emperor's memorial then you're expecting too much even of us. Our ships are not armed with psychic pan-system death ray lasers and we can't prevent an enemy from rebuilding over half a year beyond our notice while protected by concord. If what you are saying now is that your own personal defeat in Alkabsi is somehow "our fault" then I'm going to have to advise you to put more effort into recruiting and refining your own combat skills and less time into criticising the performance of others. Perhaps in six months time we'll read tales of your victories over PIE - lets hope so. War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.21 09:32:00 - [124] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Andreus really, our concord sanctioned war against PIE concluded almost six months ago. If you are trying to deride us now because the Amarrian Throne World loyalists have finally managed to put a fleet together 180 days after we destroyed their last muster at the Emperor's memorial then you're expecting too much even of us. Our ships are not armed with psychic pan-system death ray lasers and we can't prevent an enemy from rebuilding over half a year beyond our notice while protected by concord. If what you are saying now is that your own personal defeat in Alkabsi is somehow "our fault" then I'm going to have to advise you to put more effort into recruiting and refining your own combat skills and less time into criticising the performance of others. Perhaps in six months time we'll read tales of your victories over PIE - lets hope so. So what you're saying is that an Empire only war cannot lead to ultimate success unless carried on indefinately? Let us (for the sake of argument) accept for a while that you did indeed suppress PIE to such an extent that they were unable to operate in empire while you carried on your war. After your war lapsed they have simply rebuilt their strength and consequently you have had no lasting influence on them. What are the implications of this when viewing your current campaign against -7-? It must obviously be that while you may (if successfull) deny -7- the right to operate in empire while you're around, you'll actually have to keep up the war indefinately in order to achieve even that level of success. The moment you let your war lapse, they'll simply start rebuilding their empire operations and in a matter of months be as strong as ever. Of course you have the theoretic capability to actually hurt -7- by taking out their POS operations in Providence - which you have tried and failed to do. It seems by your own admittance that you have given up even trying to do this by now. So what am I supposed to make of this? That you have let your campaign slip into a state of CONCORD sanctioned Empire piracy realising you cannot win? That we will find you back in Providence in strength to take on -7- and her allies hoping for a "better" result next time around? Or do you actually believe that your current strategy is the way to success as you claim in your posts? Q: How many Amarr does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, we have Minnies to do the menial chores.
Cassius Longinus Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.21 17:11:00 - [125] All this talk of "ultimate success"... so heady. What would territorialist entities know of our goals? Perhaps our ultimate success is at hand every time we salvage your wrecks. Perhaps we win every time a single enemy pilot realizes what we are fighting for. Perhaps we just enjoy the tears of IGS. I know why I fight, which is enough for me. Your pride in your POS network, and those of your client alliances is... admirable in it's way, but it is yours- not ours. Those big cans orbiting around moons are not relevant to us. Severance and ilk hold sovereignty when they can keep us out. Every once in a while, that happens, and at those times, we see our true enemy. I'm not sure we have "ultimate success" conditions, but when we have an enemy, we have a reason to fight. For me at least, that is enough.
Nek Tuomatta Advanced Combat Machines and Equipment Independent Faction	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:57:00 - [126] Edited by: Nek Tuomatta on 10/01/2008 23:58:29 Any chance of an update soon? And oh yea, this is addressed to Jasmine. You are now reading my sig! Originally by: Gaius Kador Nothing surprises me as to the lengths Star Fraction will go to push their propaganda on the public masses.

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