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Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:42:00 - [1] Heres the situation, Player A goes to a popular site and buys 10x GTC's to sell. He then goes on the EvE-O forums and finds a buyer. He agrees to sell all 10 for 3.5 billion. He uses the secure payment method. Two weeks later he has the 3.5 billion removed from the account. A GM said the ISK used to buy his timecards was bought. Theres no way this is right! Can anyone give any feedback!?? GMs/Devs feel free to comment! <3 Treb
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:43:00 - [2] **Additions: It's all 100% logged and legetimate with EvE Secure GTC Payment Method.
Ess Erbe State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:45:00 - [3] Petition it, escalate, escalate, escalate. Have a very well thought out and written petition.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:45:00 - [4] Actually it's like buying a 2-nd hand car and finding out that car was stolen and the seller had ran away. Sucks, but it's life. Want to be safe, earn you ISK in game, without GTC shortcuts... Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:46:00 - [5] Petition it and eventually escalate. CCP standard procedure is to first seize the brought isk (even if passed to ainnocent third party) then if the third party is found not guilty return them. As you used the secure trade method you should have no problems.
Empire marketslave	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:47:00 - [6] after reading several threads like there there is always somethig that is left out. the GM dont just willy nilly take isk out of someones account unless they have a suffient reason. or maybe even a suspious transaction. do you buy something "too good to be true' but if this is true you should get your time codes back to resell to restore order back to the economy of eve
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:50:00 - [7] Did you sell to people with gold-farmer names? :/
Jeanne Bart	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:53:00 - [8] What always concerns me here is the prospect of double dipping. Have CCP taken 3.5 bill from you and the buyer? And unlike with the car analogy, the GMs have the ability to return the GTCs to the seller by cancelling the old codes and issuing new ones to you.
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 08/11/2007 08:55:25 Originally by: CCP kieron The player this happened to needs to submit a petition to the GM team with a request for a review. The forums are not the proper venue for this matter. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Theres a flaw in the system CCP runs and people should know about it. You claim your GTC trading method is 'safe and 100% secure.' After three weeks or petitions, my pilot finally got his ISK back, well kinda. A GM did not refund 700M of the 3.5 Billion ISK that was taken from him. The GM explained that there was no 'server log' showing the transaction. I've seen the screenshots of the transactions and it's bullcrap. Now the pilot was grateful to get his ISK back but he was still 700M in the hole. He's real soft-spoken so he dropped some MORE CASH TO BUY MORE GTC's to get him back to even. In short, you screwed one of my favorite people and my best pilot out of three weeks of gametime & 700 Million ISK that he paid for with CASH. CCP & Secure GTC Trading FTL <3 Treb edit: my math skills ftl too...
Darth Nerf	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:53:00 - [10] To the OP: I'm curious, were the GTC's 30d or 90d ones? If they were 30d ones you agreed to sell them for 350m a pop. That's 100m more than the max price I have seen. Perhaps your reason right there, and props to CCP for monitoring GTC-transactions I say. Otherwise I could just offer a 30d GTC to a isk farmer for 1.2bill..... Originally by: Li Flying Everyone, I was only 220 million ISK If your card 220 million to sell my words 3 I ~ Thank you all to the
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.08 08:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Darth Nerf To the OP: I'm curious, were the GTC's 30d or 90d ones? If they were 30d ones you agreed to sell them for 350m a pop. That's 100m more than the max price I have seen. Perhaps your reason right there, and props to CCP for monitoring GTC-transactions I say. Otherwise I could just offer a 30d GTC to a isk farmer for 1.2bill..... I believe they were 10x 90 Day GTC's sold in bulk for 350M each. He cut the guy a deal since he was buying all 10 at one time. <3 Treb
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 08/11/2007 09:03:38 Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Heres the situation, Player A goes to a popular site and buys 10x GTC's to sell. He then goes on the EvE-O forums and finds a buyer. He agrees to sell all 10 for 3.5 billion. He uses the secure payment method. Two weeks later he has the 3.5 billion removed from the account. A GM said the ISK used to buy his timecards was bought. Theres no way this is right! Can anyone give any feedback!?? GMs/Devs feel free to comment! <3 Treb Is that just theory or what actually happened? I can't imagine that CCP will take ISK from a legal GTC selling away from BOTH accounts. The system of selling GTC is profit for CCP. I would not wonder if special CCP +GTC½ staff is bying for ISK to keep that side-business going on. If they remove the ISK for a legal GTC deal by their own system than this is a case for a lawyer. Because 10 30d GTC are round about EUR 100,00 which is a lot of rl money for 2.2 Billion ISK at the end. If CCP really punish the legal ISK buyer by their own created GTC system then this is wrong and the whole system is crap because noone will buy GTC at the end anymore. +++ JOIN PAP +++
Malarki X Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:30:00 - [13] I belive it was a burocratic error - some guy in CCP saw 3,5 bil transfer and started screaming bloody murder. Removing ISK from legitimate seller because person that bought it was indeed a Chinese farmer. Well - what the hell are we suppose to do when selling GTCs ? Ask for theire personal photos of them with familly, ID card, piece of paper stating they are not Chinese farmers together with that days news papers?!? I would suggest next time CCP get theire fact straight or ban farmers on sight. As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ... Its not our job to decide who is farming and who is not. Let CCP handle that. I will sell my GTCs to whoever convos me first. As far as the subject of GTC selling vs farming goes - game mechanics is here and some of us use it. I have IRL money, someone has in game money, we both want to exchange and we do this via CCP laws wich clearly state GTC selling can occur. You cant afford to sell GTC-s ? BooHoo, not my problem. In no way can this be sellers fault. If he was indeed using secure method - he or she did NOTHING wrong. CCP burocrat siting in his chair, not realy caring about anything and cursing his dull burocratic life ( Im a burocrat so ... yeah I know its a pain ^^ )just clicks - take away ISK, , ISK buyer ...
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:37:00 - [14] Quote: As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ... That's a name and not dgdghsdjhsdfhdf and/or word salad designed to look like a name.
NoNah Unseen University	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:41:00 - [15] In my eyes, get him to post here, with the story and with the details. Right now, it's barely hearsay. My point is, believe it or not, but my trust in the GM's is slightly more than a random post from a guy on the forums who's got a friend who claims to buy isk through a legal version but not an illegal. And you don't even have all the details but are forced to guesstimates at points. No offense, but these kind of posts come in bundles, I've yet to hear cases of GM's failing this hard, every single time it's been a mistake on the players side or simply withheld relevant information. I'm not saying they don't do mistakes, but they rarely do severe ones and are even more rarely incapable of resverting what they did wrong if they did. Postcount: 513019
Malarki X Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.08 09:43:00 - [16] Originally by: SoftRevolution Quote: As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ... That's a name and not dgdghsdjhsdfhdf and/or word salad designed to look like a name. Still - if you sell it legitimatley, its not youre fault his an ISK farmer.

GM Nova Game Masters	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:05:00 - [17] Hi Trebor, Thank you for allowing me to comment. I will eat my hat if your friend used the official secure ETC trading system.

Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:10:00 - [18] Originally by: GM Nova I will eat my hat if your friend used the official secure ETC trading system. Nelson voice: "Ha-Ha!" Pwnd. Don't get burnd when using illegial ways - or if you are stupid enought to GET burnd, don't come and whine it off the whorums! It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Darth Nerf	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:33:00 - [19] Originally by: GM Nova Hi Trebor, Thank you for allowing me to comment. I will eat my hat if your friend used the official secure ETC trading system. Hi Nova! Is it safe for me to sell a 30d GTC for 1.2 bill using the official secure ETC trading system? Originally by: Li Flying Everyone, I was only 220 million ISK If your card 220 million to sell my words 3 I ~ Thank you all to the
Wanna Kill Caldari Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Edited by: Trebor Notlimah on 08/11/2007 08:55:25 Originally by: CCP kieron The player this happened to needs to submit a petition to the GM team with a request for a review. The forums are not the proper venue for this matter. I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Theres a flaw in the system CCP runs and people should know about it. You claim your GTC trading method is 'safe and 100% secure.' After three weeks or petitions, my pilot finally got his ISK back, well kinda. A GM did not refund 700M of the 3.5 Billion ISK that was taken from him. The GM explained that there was no 'server log' showing the transaction. I've seen the screenshots of the transactions and it's bullcrap. Now the pilot was grateful to get his ISK back but he was still 700M in the hole. He's real soft-spoken so he dropped some MORE CASH TO BUY MORE GTC's to get him back to even. In short, you screwed one of my favorite people and my best pilot out of three weeks of gametime & 700 Million ISK that he paid for with CASH. CCP & Secure GTC Trading FTL <3 Treb edit: my math skills ftl too... I find it sad that you are speaking for him, please, get him here so we can get the actual story. Your personal vendetta against CCP doesn't really add to your credability :popcorn: ----------
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 10:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Trebor Notlimah I believe they were 10x 90 Day GTC's sold in bulk for 350M each. He cut the guy a deal since he was buying all 10 at one time. <3 Treb If he sold to one person who spammed his post with 1x dsfke 1x ryighkg 1x reiotuhdfhg 1x sdfiojheh etc... Then I don't really feel bad for him. Seller beware as well as buyer, I say. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.08 12:55:00 - [22] i am kinda displeased reading such posts over and over and over. if this continues... what will be next? some guy buys ISK on ebay, he buys loads of minerals and builds capital ships. i spend loads of money on those ships and somedays i log in, they are all gone and i get a note of: "they were build with ebay isk, so we had to remove em from game" CCPs arguments are bull****. if they want to remove ebay ISK from game, fine, but at the same moment give back what those ISK where used for. in this case: if they remove 3.5B isk from some1 who sold GTC, before even removing the ISK, give him back the GTC. this is like 3rd world phone companies. they charge you triple and say nothing. maybe u wont even complain and they make benfit. and if you complain, they make you go to a bureaucratic hell, so maybe you even give up before you get your money back. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)

GM Nova Game Masters	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Kayna Eelai i am kinda displeased reading such posts over and over and over. if this continues... what will be next? some guy buys ISK on ebay, he buys loads of minerals and builds capital ships. i spend loads of money on those ships and somedays i log in, they are all gone and i get a note of: "they were build with ebay isk, so we had to remove em from game" What on Earth are you talking about? Where do you hear this nonsense? This has never happened and will never happen. The rest of your post is based on this silly statement and falls apart.

Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:09:00 - [24] Originally by: GM Nova Originally by: Kayna Eelai i am kinda displeased reading such posts over and over and over. if this continues... what will be next? some guy buys ISK on ebay, he buys loads of minerals and builds capital ships. i spend loads of money on those ships and somedays i log in, they are all gone and i get a note of: "they were build with ebay isk, so we had to remove em from game" What on Earth are you talking about? Where do you hear this nonsense? This has never happened and will never happen. The rest of your post is based on this silly statement and falls apart. Removed. Please be cordial to a GM at all times - Valorem fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Removed. Please be cordial to a GM at all times - Valorem then tell the GMS to be cordial in first place... and to learn2read. GMS are not jesus, they are not allknowing and they can mess up stuff more times than they should. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:21:00 - [26] Good to see Nova coming here to tell it how it is. People are posting so much heresay about the ISK transfers at the moment it's getting silly. If your mate used the approved method, of course the ISK won't be taken away. There's always the "yeah, erm, but I thought it was ok to do it that way" or something that we don't get told by the OP.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Malarki X Originally by: SoftRevolution Quote: As far as weird names go, what if my toon was: Marko Marulić - famous Croatian writer. However Im sure that a strange name for someone ... That's a name and not dgdghsdjhsdfhdf and/or word salad designed to look like a name. Still - if you sell it legitimatley, its not youre fault his an ISK farmer. It is your fault because you're obviously helping a money laundering operation :/ Not saying that's what happened here, but if you know you're selling to a farmer then you should really see this one coming.
Carlise Aragon The Eve Killboard Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:40:00 - [28] it sucks when this kind of stuff happens but sadly its the nature of the game
Khanox 0utlaws	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:45:00 - [29] Why would someone buy isk illegally then use that isk to buy time cards? Am I missing something?
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.08 13:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Khanox Why would someone buy isk illegally then use that isk to buy time cards? Am I missing something? because he could then trade those time cards for LEGIT isk? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Khanox Why would someone buy isk illegally then use that isk to buy time cards? Am I missing something? because he could then trade those time cards for LEGIT isk? Stop talking. You're clearly here just to toss some outrage around. You don't even know anything about GTC sales. When you buy one through the CCP approved secure method, it's applied directly to your account. You don't know the code, you can't resell it later. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Ari Chu Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:52:00 - [32] Originally by: NoNah In my eyes, get him to post here, with the story and with the details. Right now, it's barely hearsay. My point is, believe it or not, but my trust in the GM's is slightly more than a random post from a guy on the forums who's got a friend who claims to buy isk through a legal version but not an illegal. And you don't even have all the details but are forced to guesstimates at points. No offense, but these kind of posts come in bundles, I've yet to hear cases of GM's failing this hard, every single time it's been a mistake on the players side or simply withheld relevant information. I'm not saying they don't do mistakes, but they rarely do severe ones and are even more rarely incapable of resverting what they did wrong if they did. This. --- "The Galaxy is only as big as you make it." - presumably Eve Game Designers.
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.08 14:55:00 - [33] Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 08/11/2007 14:56:16 Originally by: Minerva Vulcan well, my phrase ended with a question mark, now did it? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 15:50:00 - [34] Proof (so GM Nova can eat his hat) or lock this topic imo. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. My Top 10 List
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.08 16:27:00 - [35] funny how it is always a "friend" that comes to the forum and whines about it pics or it didn't happen and fyi every time it comes up it has turned out that the GTC buyer didn't use the legit method and the ONE time that it happened that they DID the GM's refunded the isk Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:40:00 - [36] I must say that the recent numerous post about supposed isk removal errors make me wonder. It seem more a campaign to discredit CCP attempts to curb isk buying than errors of the GMs.
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:57:00 - [37] Didn't the developers close this same OP previously? By reposting it, what do you hope to gain? Forum ban? Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:06:00 - [38] Originally by: Terminus adacai Didn't the developers close this same OP previously? By reposting it, what do you hope to gain? Forum ban? Maybe gain some understanding that they cant do this to customers and make it go away. A freiend of mine has been selling GTC's for 2 years, he had a good customer from the begining and sold to many players, he logs in to find a substantial negative balance and petitions, GM then looks into it and takes ISK back from up to the two years back saying that 1 perticular customer was a ISK seller, this puts him even more in the red (were talking over 7 bil) and is a complete load of s**t Petitions escalate and escalate till they just ignore him now. The ONLY thing he did wrong was not switch to secure method when it was made the only method a few months ago because he had a trusted relationship with the customer, I can understand the ISK for the past few months being taken as he didnt use the secure method but to take all 2 years is blatantly wrong and indefensible. Trust me I want to see ISK sellers gone as much as the next person but persecuting your legitimate players is WRONG.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca The ONLY thing he did wrong was not switch to secure method when it was made the only method a few months ago because he had a trusted relationship with the customer, Then he was an idiot. End of discussion.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Ilvan Originally by: Sophie Rebecca The ONLY thing he did wrong was not switch to secure method when it was made the only method a few months ago because he had a trusted relationship with the customer, Then he was an idiot. End of discussion. Sorry dont see it, he had a trusted and existing pre relationship with someone for 2 years and chose the easy method. it was only in the past 2 months that not using the secure method became punishable so why would it work in retrospect? your going to have to find a better argument than that.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Sorry dont see it, he had a trusted and existing pre relationship with someone for 2 years and chose the easy method. it was only in the past 2 months that not using the secure method became punishable so why would it work in retrospect? your going to have to find a better argument than that. He chose the easy method when he could have chosen the safe method. Did it not ever occur to him that the guy might have had a reason to not want to use the secure method? Someone that foolish and careless with their money is just asking for it to be taken away. Hell, I'll be willing to bet your friend knew something was up with his "special customer" and figured he'd be safe from any punitive actions because, after all, he was just an innocent GTC seller, and not a long-time member in a laundering scheme, right? Also, there's the extremely plausible scenario that you're not telling the whole story - or he didn't tell you the whole story.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Ilvan Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Sorry dont see it, he had a trusted and existing pre relationship with someone for 2 years and chose the easy method. it was only in the past 2 months that not using the secure method became punishable so why would it work in retrospect? your going to have to find a better argument than that. He chose the easy method when he could have chosen the safe method. Did it not ever occur to him that the guy might have had a reason to not want to use the secure method? Someone that foolish and careless with their money is just asking for it to be taken away. Hell, I'll be willing to bet your friend knew something was up with his "special customer" and figured he'd be safe from any punitive actions because, after all, he was just an innocent GTC seller, and not a long-time member in a laundering scheme, right? Also, there's the extremely plausible scenario that you're not telling the whole story - or he didn't tell you the whole story. Nope thats the whole story, I wont deny he was foolish for not using secure method when it was made mandatory but before it was even made he had dealings with this customer, why would that isk be taken off him? You dont know me or my friend and I dont know you so its probably little worth to tell you that if he knew this guy was an isk seller he wouldnt have been dealing with him. The major problem I have is that CCP applied the new secure method only rule in retrospect i.e. instead of taking 2 months of GTC sales isk from him that wernt the mandatory ones they took 2 years worth of legitimate transactions and then effectivley said sod off.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Nope thats the whole story, I wont deny he was foolish for not using secure method when it was made mandatory but before it was even made he had dealings with this customer, why would that isk be taken off him? No, that's the story that you're telling us. Whether or not it's the truth is another question. As to why he lost his ISK... it's because CCP has no way of knowing. For all they know he could've been in on it the whole time. The fact that he didn't switch over to the secure method was just another mark against him. Quote: You dont know me or my friend and I dont know you so its probably little worth to tell you that if he knew this guy was an isk seller he wouldnt have been dealing with him. Sorry, but maybe you don't know your friend as well as you think you do. People lie to their closest friends and family all the time over serious matters, who's to say he wouldn't lie to you over this? Quote: The major problem I have is that CCP applied the new secure method only rule in retrospect i.e. instead of taking 2 months of GTC sales isk from him that wernt the mandatory ones they took 2 years worth of legitimate transactions and then effectivley said sod off. As I said, his reluctance to switch to the new method and the fact that his long-time customer was an illicit ISK buyer were enough to damn him in CCP's eyes, whether he was in on it or not. Of course, this conversation is entirely in the realm of the theoretical, since you've never actually gone into detail about who this mystery friend of yours actually is. Proof or STFU, as they say.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca Nope thats the whole story, I wont deny he was foolish for not using secure method when it was made mandatory but before it was even made he had dealings with this customer, why would that isk be taken off him? You dont know me or my friend and I dont know you so its probably little worth to tell you that if he knew this guy was an isk seller he wouldnt have been dealing with him. The major problem I have is that CCP applied the new secure method only rule in retrospect i.e. instead of taking 2 months of GTC sales isk from him that wernt the mandatory ones they took 2 years worth of legitimate transactions and then effectivley said sod off. You say he did excalated, but what he wrothe? Is is petitiont was something like "xx*# Gm taking away my isk" it is only logic that his petitions were rejected. The only chance is to presente a calm, well thought and documented petion, especially as (from outside) he appears to be a long time costumer of a isk seller. He get isk from a isk seller while (apparently) giving him nothing and that go back 2 years and more. Not a good position to defend. To clear himself he can't simply say "I have sold him GTC" but he need to prove that, giving the GM all the information he can, if possible even digging up the old GTC codes and other relevant information (bills from the buying of the GTC and so on). It is like if in RL he was getting regular bank payments from a drug dealer. Saying "I did build his house and he is paying that" has little value if he don't have a regular invoice and contract for the work done.
Vort X EON Order Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:45:00 - [45] Edited by: Vort X on 10/11/2007 10:51:24 Someone bought ISK for real money to buy GTC-s for ISK ?! I'm glad that CCP fights against ISK sellers but this is ridiculous.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca The ONLY thing he did wrong was not switch to secure method when it was made the only method a few months ago because he had a trusted relationship with the customer, I can understand the ISK for the past few months being taken as he didnt use the secure method but to take all 2 years is blatantly wrong and indefensible. Didn't use secure method. It's likely safe to say that his "long-time trusted customer" didn't just decide to up and sell ISK one day. He'd been doing it the whole time. Your 'friend' (It's always a 'friend'... I love it) had been receiving dirty ISK the whole time stretching back 2 years. His buyer slipped up, and was discovered by CCP to be selling ISK. They went through transaction logs and removed all they could reasonable find. They did the right thing. All the tools were available for your 'friend' to use the approved, only secure method, and he dropped the ball. His fault. Stop whining. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Sophie Rebecca The ONLY thing he did wrong was not switch to secure method when it was made the only method a few months ago because he had a trusted relationship with the customer, I can understand the ISK for the past few months being taken as he didnt use the secure method but to take all 2 years is blatantly wrong and indefensible. Didn't use secure method. It's likely safe to say that his "long-time trusted customer" didn't just decide to up and sell ISK one day. He'd been doing it the whole time. Your 'friend' (It's always a 'friend'... I love it) had been receiving dirty ISK the whole time stretching back 2 years. His buyer slipped up, and was discovered by CCP to be selling ISK. They went through transaction logs and removed all they could reasonable find. They did the right thing. All the tools were available for your 'friend' to use the approved, only secure method, and he dropped the ball. His fault. Stop whining. The secure method hasnt been arround for 2 years, nice try but really get a clue first and isnt it amasing that people have friends? personally I wouldnt sell GTC's for ISK, I work hard for all mine and wouldnt waste my R/L cash on it but some people do and these people deserve fair treatment. Venkul Mul Yea we went through the petition together to make sure it was a well worded calm and sensible letter that contained all the info the response was quite literally no! cant post it here for obvious reasons. Fyi this guy wasnt mass buying GTC's from my friend to sell on for cash he was paying for 3 chars every few months like any normal player that works this way, just turned out that he was farming and selling the isk directly from elsewhere which kina sucks.
Donald Trump Minmatar Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:18:00 - [48] Can you send 10 gtcs at a time in the secure way? and if you did, wouldnt that 1 account need to use all the gtcs? Secure payment method isnt the same as the secure trade method?
Tractormech Caldari the evil ones	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:20:00 - [49] This really musn't be a problem for you "friend" otherwise they would be here posting like an idiot and not you.
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:40:00 - [50] Secure trade/Secure sell/secure method - either way you call it, the method that CCP says to do it. Each code must be sold individually, but the only limit on how many you can sell at a time is the number of valid codes you have. In the stickies at the top of the Characters & Timecodes channel, there's a sticky with the dire warning that the Secure method is the ONLY METHOD TO BE USED and any other method may have some nasty consequences. The "friend" got lucky in that he got ANY of that ISK back. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:43:00 - [51] Originally by: Sophie Rebecca The secure method hasnt been arround for 2 years, nice try but really get a clue first and isnt it amasing that people have friends? personally I wouldnt sell GTC's for ISK, I work hard for all mine and wouldnt waste my R/L cash on it but some people do and these people deserve fair treatment. Hasn't been around for 2 years, but it's been there for quite some months now and he should have been using it. By not using it he just makes himself look bad. All ur ISK are belong to CCP now. I mean... your "friends" ISK. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head. To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed. To be my friends and special pets.
Sophie Rebecca British Aerospace Inc	Posted - 2007.11.10 18:52:00 - [52] Originally by: Tractormech This really musn't be a problem for you "friend" otherwise they would be here posting like an idiot and not you. Lil hint if I had -8 bil wallet I wouldnt be playing right now =p and at the moment neither is he as theres really nothing he can do whats the point? I sometimes wonder if people read posts at all, read my posts back re when the secure method was made mandatory and how long hes been trading the fact that he wasnt mass supplying GTC's to someone selling them on and then you can post, till then im done arguing with ignorant muppets
Khamal Jolstien Caldari Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 20:54:00 - [53] Lesson learned. Earn your ISK like everyone else.

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