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Katana Seiko
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:39:00 -
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There are a few people here asking you to give codes to a list of people with cryptic names. i suggest you don't give your codes to them - if they are macro miners, you could loose that money and be banned for a few weeks... CCP and the GMs are very strict about EULA violators... 
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:41:00 -
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I don't think people want to lose ca$h.
I can see that people selling GTCs are not really being cautious, and those that are alerted that they are helping isk farmers are taking the necessary steps to stop doing it.
I believe that people are decent, even if isk farmers deny it even AFTER I post proof they are isk farmers 
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Grignack
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:42:00 -
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If you can prove they are isk farmers, submit your evidencde to ccp and they will ban them. Until then get out of these forums please.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Grignack
If you can prove they are isk farmers, submit your evidencde to ccp and they will ban them. Until then get out of these forums please.
They don't ban them even with proof.
I have proof they did not ban accounts they said they banned, go figure.
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MorbidPenguin
Hard Corp
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:52:00 -
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Aye... even with proof they do nothing.
I've forwarded recorded and unedited chat logs to CCP involving isk sellers actually trying to sell me ISK in chat.
If that's not proof, I don't know what is.
It's up to YOU to stop giving them gametime and drive them out of the game. Stop buying ISK and stop giving them a reason to be here. Then they'll go away.
If they make a list of people that need GTCs and it looks suspicious, then don't sell them.
I understand that you spent real-life money to buy GTCs and you want your ISK, but there are plenty of people to sell to. Convo them in-game. If you can chat with them, if they are in an alliance or coproration, then sell them. In short, if they aren't suspicious like anyone of the ISK Farmers would be, then by all means, get your ISK. If they look like farmers, smell like farmers, and talk like farmers, then by gosh... guess what they are?
It starts with YOU.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: MorbidPenguin
Aye... even with proof they do nothing.
I've forwarded recorded and unedited chat logs to CCP involving isk sellers actually trying to sell me ISK in chat.
If that's not proof, I don't know what is.
It's up to YOU to stop giving them gametime and drive them out of the game. Stop buying ISK and stop giving them a reason to be here. Then they'll go away.
If they make a list of people that need GTCs and it looks suspicious, then don't sell them.
I understand that you spent real-life money to buy GTCs and you want your ISK, but there are plenty of people to sell to. Convo them in-game. If you can chat with them, if they are in an alliance or coproration, then sell them. In short, if they aren't suspicious like anyone of the ISK Farmers would be, then by all means, get your ISK. If they look like farmers, smell like farmers, and talk like farmers, then by gosh... guess what they are?
It starts with YOU.
Actually, so many alliances are infiltrated by farmers it is hard to actually trust that as a metric.
If it looks like a farmer, and smells like a farmer it is probably a farmer.
Look at their contracts.
Often that is a DEAD giveaway.
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MorbidPenguin
Hard Corp
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
Actually, so many alliances are infiltrated by farmers it is hard to actually trust that as a metric.
If it looks like a farmer, and smells like a farmer it is probably a farmer.
Look at their contracts.
Often that is a DEAD giveaway.
Ah yes, very true. Thank you for that note.
Actually, you can find threads on these forums where alliance leaders have admitted they know there are ISK-farming corporations in their alliance and are seemingly powerless to do anything about it. CCP do anything? Of course not.
Use your common sense. If you give a GTC to a farmer, you are getting paid in dirty, farmed ISK. There's a good chance that it will get taken away from you and your real-life money will be wasted. Stop selling them GTCs.
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Jugo Loth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:13:00 -
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Stop providing misinformation, its not against any rules to sell GTC's for isk to suspected 'isk farmer' (by that i assume you mean isk seller?). CCP is never going to take your isk away if you sell a GTC to someone who later turns out to be an isk seller. Its up to CCP to ban isk sellers people who sell GTC's to them have nothing to do with it as there is no way for them to conclusively know they are or are not seliing isk.
Just cause you dislike isk farmers its no reason to lie and scaremonger, if you dont want to sell them GTC's then dont. If you dont care/want to leave it up to CCP then thats your choice too. Also you should take this to a different forum if your serious about it, and I'm also wondering if pure would be happy to know that you have an alt in BOS or vice versa
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jugo Loth
Stop providing misinformation, its not against any rules to sell GTC's for isk to suspected 'isk farmer' (by that i assume you mean isk seller?). CCP is never going to take your isk away if you sell a GTC to someone who later turns out to be an isk seller. Its up to CCP to ban isk sellers people who sell GTC's to them have nothing to do with it as there is no way for them to conclusively know they are or are not seliing isk.
Just cause you dislike isk farmers its no reason to lie and scaremonger, if you dont want to sell them GTC's then dont. If you dont care/want to leave it up to CCP then thats your choice too. Also you should take this to a different forum if your serious about it, and I'm also wondering if pure would be happy to know that you have an alt in BOS or vice versa
Your an idiot.
But, please tell my CEO that I have an alt in BOS.
Tell Drantis too.
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Grignack
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jugo Loth
Stop providing misinformation, its not against any rules to sell GTC's for isk to suspected 'isk farmer' (by that i assume you mean isk seller?). CCP is never going to take your isk away if you sell a GTC to someone who later turns out to be an isk seller. Its up to CCP to ban isk sellers people who sell GTC's to them have nothing to do with it as there is no way for them to conclusively know they are or are not seliing isk.
Just cause you dislike isk farmers its no reason to lie and scaremonger, if you dont want to sell them GTC's then dont. If you dont care/want to leave it up to CCP then thats your choice too. Also you should take this to a different forum if your serious about it, and I'm also wondering if pure would be happy to know that you have an alt in BOS or vice versa
Werd. If CCP doesnt care to ban them then I have no problem selling them a GTC. and as stated above, CCP does not care who you sell gtcs to and will not do anything as long as you sell them within the rules stated above.
Go cry in someone elses forum, this one is for business.
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Jugo Loth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
Your an idiot.
But, please tell my CEO that I have an alt in BOS.
Tell Drantis too.
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I won't, because I don't care. Just pointing out that its completely obvious that your talking to yourself and backing up your crusade via alts and its a little pathetic.
Also feel free to ignore the real point of my post, being that you are talking out of your a$$ and trying to scare people off from selling to people with funky names that are willing to pay more for GTC's for you and buy in bulk. I'll admit I also suspect they are isk sellers (*disclaimer* my opinion ONLY), but i say leave it up to CCP and post in the correct forum, also no need to lie and scaremonger to make your point.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jugo Loth
Originally by: Loyal Servant
Your an idiot.
But, please tell my CEO that I have an alt in BOS.
Tell Drantis too.
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I won't, because I don't care. Just pointing out that its completely obvious that your talking to yourself and backing up your crusade via alts and its a little pathetic.
Also feel free to ignore the real point of my post, being that you are talking out of your a$$ and trying to scare people off from selling to people with funky names that are willing to pay more for GTC's for you and buy in bulk. I'll admit I also suspect they are isk sellers (*disclaimer* my opinion ONLY), but i say leave it up to CCP and post in the correct forum, also no need to lie and scaremonger to make your point.
Don't back down I DOUBLE DARE you to 'rat me out'
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Jugo Loth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
Don't back down I DOUBLE DARE you to 'rat me out'
Okay, my apologies, I didn't know I was dealing with a child. In that case go nuts, who cares what you do.
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MorbidPenguin
Hard Corp
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:47:00 -
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hehe. I can assure you that I'm not an alt of Loyal Servant. Nor am I the main and he an alt. We're just two people who happen to agree that ISK Farmers suck. Not related in any other way.
Check my record. I joined EVE last December and joined Hard Corp the next day. Know why? Because I read about it on hardforum.com (shameless plug) and wanted to play EVE with friends. I'm not an alt.
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Krashtest
Exploratory Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:35:00 -
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If you sell a batch of timecodes in bulk to a list of names, then you do run the risk of getting the isk received removed by CCP.
Selling through the secure method 1 code per name at a time will reduce the chance of isk being taken away from you even if it is a "farmer" , since that farmer probably did make the isk to purchase the code from you.
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Xeen DuWang
Hell's Horsemen
Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.11.09 14:46:00 -
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CCP took 1 billion from a fellow allaince member for selling GTC's to a farmer/seller....
Hell's Horsemen
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xeen DuWang
CCP took 1 billion from a fellow allaince member for selling GTC's to a farmer/seller....
Ouch.
Guess GTC seller be warned.
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Faiga
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Posted - 2007.11.09 16:22:00 -
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Some people really don't know what they are talking about! It is true that there are lots of farmers buying isk at the moment... their names are very funny! But the reality is (are far as I can tell in Eve) that you are innocent until proven guilty. You can't be 100% sure who you are selling a GTC to... and Eve gets the money (REAL money) from it. I am quite sure that they don't delete money from people who sell farmers GTC's because a farmer isn't a farmer until he farms and he can't farm until he has a GTC! And besides all that I have seen clear farmers who have been in the game for over a year... so I have no idea what Eve is up to on that front...
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Viper Intel Squad
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Faiga
Some people really don't know what they are talking about! It is true that there are lots of farmers buying isk at the moment... their names are very funny! But the reality is (are far as I can tell in Eve) that you are innocent until proven guilty. You can't be 100% sure who you are selling a GTC to... and Eve gets the money (REAL money) from it. I am quite sure that they don't delete money from people who sell farmers GTC's because a farmer isn't a farmer until he farms and he can't farm until he has a GTC! And besides all that I have seen clear farmers who have been in the game for over a year... so I have no idea what Eve is up to on that front...
It's because farmers are not banned.
That is why they attain 1 or even 2 year old characters.
Once they get that old they are sold.
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2007.11.10 07:13:00 -
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Frankly, CCP should not touch your ISK if you used the secure system. How are you to know that some character is an ISK farmer? Usually they are easily spotted, but some of them are quite crafty and trying to conceal what they do. Many don't use contracts, but rather do their transactions via the market system, buying 1 unit of whatever for hundreds of thousands of ISK. There is simply no way to tell.
I would advise ANY GTC sellers to not fulfill wtb orders for codes from someone named hrkksjhdf, or grey loves, or nice pretty or whatever. What happens is that CCP later busts their ISK selling rings, and sees that money was transfered from them to you, and then your deal looks suspicious. You may have problems. Wait for characters that look real to order your codes and sell to them.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen
Frankly, CCP should not touch your ISK if you used the secure system. How are you to know that some character is an ISK farmer? Usually they are easily spotted, but some of them are quite crafty and trying to conceal what they do.
Well, CCP needs to remove isk from isk sellers. So they remove your isk as well. But...they must give back GTC to you then!!
Everything else is stealing.
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:11:00 -
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CCP has lost control of the GTC-secure system as far as I can see.
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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:25:00 -
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My point is that if I buy GTC for real money and sell them via secure trade, then have the selling account banned and they remove 2.5bil from the wallet which was derived from selll their eve time code and accused of illegalyy selling the cardes and recieving isk from a know isk farmer (remeber this was all done via the secure trade method). Who, then are the theives, surley this is theft or defrading ppl of their money. As to the names as far as i can remember there were no funny names, but I cannot check this as the account has been banned. And if CCP can do this then they are well and truly capable of altering log files and the way i feel atm towards them I wouldnt put it past them.
And as to banning isk farmers, they do not do this as I have sent screen shots of the covos ppl have with me in game trying to sell isk (which I refuse,so who needs to buy isk when sell gtc through thier system, as I thought this secure trade was safe, how wrong I was). And they wonder why honest players get feed up with them and leave the game, as to which I am considering doing. they forget this is a game all beit a hard one to get anywhere in. We all get burn in the firts few weeks or even months when we start eve and yes I learnt from that, but to get this when using thier own system , well words just fail me. I have mailed and petitioned then,m and still no word, but that CCPs aloofness isnt it, they dont care about players wheather they are isk farmers or honest players they just want your cash and dont care how they get it.
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Althier
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And as to banning isk farmers,...
Are you kidding? This forum is crawling with them;
The Guards/blant wwaass/BK520 is behind the massive operation in this thread Linkage, and has bought GTC's in this forum for 30-40 toons as I have seen.
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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Nerf
Edited by: Darth Nerf on 10/11/2007 09:39:18
Edited by: Darth Nerf on 10/11/2007 09:37:16
Originally by: Althier
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And as to banning isk farmers,...
Are you kidding? This forum is crawling with them;
The Guards/blant wwaass/BK520
is behind the massive operation in this thread Linkage, and has bought GTC's in this forum for 30-40 toons as I have seen.
As for CCP ignoring you, I'd go against the GTC-seller and accuse them of fraud. You bought GTC's, selling them for in-game currency using the method provided by CCP. Then both the isk/GTC is confiscated - well that is fraud. Contact the GTC reseller via your credit card company and give them hell. It seem you are angry enough to spend som time/energy fighting back 
Why should I give the GTC reseller a hard time, as the issue is with CCP and not the reseller. It is very easy to shout and jump up and down at them, but what good would that do. The main people I am going to go for is CCP as they are the main perpotrator in this.
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Darth Nerf
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Posted - 2007.11.10 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Althier
Why should I give the GTC reseller a hard time, as the issue is with CCP and not the reseller. It is very easy to shout and jump up and down at them, but what good would that do. The main people I am going to go for is CCP as they are the main perpotrator in this.
I say this because CCP will just keep on ignoring you I'm afraid. But it will be harder for them to ignore the GTC resellers.
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Althier
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Posted - 2007.11.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Nerf
Originally by: Althier
Why should I give the GTC reseller a hard time, as the issue is with CCP and not the reseller. It is very easy to shout and jump up and down at them, but what good would that do. The main people I am going to go for is CCP as they are the main perpotrator in this.
I say this because CCP will just keep on ignoring you I'm afraid. But it will be harder for them to ignore the GTC resellers.
Maybe, but I think they wont ignore me as a letter is already wining its way to a commercial law solicitor so think they will listen this time.
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