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Ser Prius
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Posted - 2007.11.09 20:08:00 -
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2 Ice Harvester II
Eutectic Cap Recharger
Civilian shield booster
'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement
Domination Heat Dissipation Amplifier
2 Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Cargohold Optimization I rig
Drones (5 medium or 2 large, T2 prefered)
I tried a Mackinaw but like everyone else was complaining you could not get 2 IHUII fitted, and zero tank (maybe a Civilian Shield Booster). This was just unacceptable in a 100m ISK ship.
This Hulk with my skills takes 374.98 of 375 CPU, and will mine 3 cubes in 282 seconds. It fills the hold with 9 cubes in 14 minutes, and can tank rats pretty well.
Ser
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.11.09 20:22:00 -
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You've gotta be kidding me.
The mackinaw harvests more with just it's two Ice Harvester II's and no upgrades than the Hulk does with 3 harvesters and 2 t2 upgrades?(I guess you meant 3 harvesters and not 2 btw).
Just copying the entire setup over to a mackinaw instead you get:
2 Ice II's,
Small SBII, 'Anointed', CN hardener, eutectic
Ice harvester upgrade I, Co-processor II
which tanks almost twice as much as your setup and mines reasonably more. I did use a CN hardener instead of a domination, for CPU reasons. Downgrading to a named booster and going domination(or even named) instead would work however. Or drop the harvester upgrade, get a DC II and a cargo expander, or whatever you fancy.
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Elseer Radak
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.09 20:33:00 -
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Hi,
using a hulk for ice looses allot of money (4m - 6m isk/hour for me)
How about this MAck setup for you? I use it and work quite well. 4 cubes every 5.25 minutes, 4 cubes every 4.1 mintues with the proper gang boosts:
2x ICE II
Invulnerable II (or v-m braced)
ms-1 iterative shield regen
Small Shield Extender II
Small regolith shield extender
Shield power relay II
photonic CPU enhancer 1 (cpu II if you have elect upgrades 4 lets you use a second shield extender II)
rigs:
core defense field purger
em shield (or other rat specific)
HTH
Elseer R.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:22:00 -
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As aforementioned, even a 0 IHU II Mackinaw will handily out-mine a dual-IHU II Hulk in terms of ice. Go with a single IHU II, a co-processor II, and some shield tanking goodness in the mids.
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Ser Prius
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Posted - 2007.11.11 01:06:00 -
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What about the cargo size bonus of the Hulk. Less times I have to dock and warp back.
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Stefan F
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.11 02:05:00 -
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you can do cycles below 230s if you want. Dual t2 harvester upgrades and 2 t2 harvesters with ganglink. Then you can still fit a implant putting you wel below 220s for 4 cubes giving you around 66-68 blocks per hour. Nice eh :)
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.11.11 04:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Ser Prius
What about the cargo size bonus of the Hulk. Less times I have to dock and warp back.
You shouldn't be ice mining without the benefit of a corp or a hauler alt. If you're mining ice for profit, you'll be better off mining ore. If you have a pos that needs fueling, you should mine with your corp and let one them haul. If you're mining solo in losec, let me know where you are and I'll offer you some "protection".
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zzCoins
Caldari
Odessa Operations
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Posted - 2007.11.11 10:40:00 -
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Well maybe Eve Fit Tool is wrong, but it tells me that with my skills I have ice yields of
Mack 573
Hulk 544
Hulk is easier to fit, larger cargo hold, much better tank, and can mine ore as well as ice.
Unless you are a very serious ice miner then stick with a Hulk
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Mona X
Caldari
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.11.11 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: zzCoins
Well maybe Eve Fit Tool is wrong, but it tells me that with my skills I have ice yields of
Mack 573
Hulk 544
This is not yeld, but cycle time.
Yeld looks something like:
Mack 4
Hulk 3
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.11.11 12:28:00 -
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Afraid that is indeed yield - m3 per minute.
Which means you'd get a block every <2 minutes, which means the cycle time of the Hulk should be something like 330 seconds and the mackinaws slightly higher.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.11 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: zzCoins
Well maybe Eve Fit Tool is wrong, but it tells me that with my skills I have ice yields of
Mack 573
Hulk 544
Hulk is easier to fit, larger cargo hold, much better tank, and can mine ore as well as ice.
Unless you are a very serious ice miner then stick with a Hulk
I'm not seeing these numbers on EFT, or by manual calculation. The gap between a Mack with 2 Ice Harv IIs and an ILU II and a Hulk with 3 IH IIs and 2 ILU IIs is pretty significant on EFT. Also, the Mackinaw can get a very comparable tank with a CN co-pro, Gistii small shield booster, and 3x CN resist amps (which is incidentally very similar to the build I thought of for a Hulk).
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Ser Prius
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:19:00 -
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I'm getting a 282 sec cycle time for 3 cubes on my Hulk. I was getting about 250 for 4 on my Mack but had to dock much more often (5k vs 8k base cargo). With a cargo rig it's 3 cycles on the Hulk vs 1 1/2 on the Mack meaning I have to pay much more attention to the Mack.
The field that I work has almost all Hulks. There are a few Macks and the pilots all say they are training up for Hulks.
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realbadman
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Posted - 2007.11.12 18:39:00 -
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my mack pulls in 4 cubes every 240 seconds or 1 a minute.
not in eft, but actually in the game. hulks can't do that. only advantage to a hulk is the tank.
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Q'plah
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Posted - 2007.11.12 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: realbadman
my mack pulls in 4 cubes every 240 seconds or 1 a minute.
not in eft, but actually in the game. hulks can't do that. only advantage to a hulk is the tank.
Mind telling me how? I have Harvesting 5, Exhumers 5 and - using T2 Harvesters on a Mackinaw - I get a cycle time of just over 5 minutes.
Not saying you're wrong, just curious as I'm always keen to improve that damn cycle time :) |
Ser Prius
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:46:00 -
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T2 Harvesters and upgrades?
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Q'plah
Originally by: realbadman
my mack pulls in 4 cubes every 240 seconds or 1 a minute.
not in eft, but actually in the game. hulks can't do that. only advantage to a hulk is the tank.
Mind telling me how? I have Harvesting 5, Exhumers 5 and - using T2 Harvesters on a Mackinaw - I get a cycle time of just over 5 minutes.
Not saying you're wrong, just curious as I'm always keen to improve that damn cycle time :)
Two things with that. First, he's likely fitting an ice harv upgrade II, probably using a -5% cycle time implant, and possibly has an alt sitting in-system so he can gang boost himself.
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