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Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Genji Ancient on 10/11/2007 03:11:39 I filed a petition. It seems my escrow was not returned and the ships were not purchased after 24 hours. Has anyone else experienced this?
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Genji Ancient Edited by: Genji Ancient on 10/11/2007 03:11:39 I filed a petition. It seems my escrow was not returned and the ships were not purchased after 24 hours. Has anyone else experienced this? I don't get it... was this from the market or contracts? Was it a 24 hour order? Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:22:00 - [3] I placed market buy orders for a period of 24 hours. When these did not purchase anything, I would expect the escrow to be returned. However, it was not returned. I've been doing this since July and have not had such an experience until today. I'm wondering if it's a fluke or what happened?
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:41:00 - [4] I've had it be delayed being returned before. Seemed like escrow wasn't returned until the DT after the order expired.
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:53:00 - [5] Yes, I hope that's what it is. I've looked through my logs and it appears I normally get it back within 24 hours but it's not always exact. This is something like 28 hours now so I'm getting a little concerned. I'd hate to lose 1,236,031,258.98 isk with nothing to show for it.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.11.10 03:57:00 - [6] So you place 1 billion + worth of buy orders using 24 hour orders? I suppose there is actually a reason to use a 24 hour order? I personally have never found a case where I'd want to. Seems like wasted money in broker fees, even with great skills and standing. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:15:00 - [7] Broker fees are 2.5 million isk on 1 billion isk of buy orders. My main constraint on weekdays is time. It seemed faster to create a new buy order rather than comparing the market for the current price and then modifying my old buy order. Do you know of a better way to do this in about the same or less time? Or what do you calculate the broker fees to be?
Hanoi Hana Mitsubishi Group	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:40:00 - [8] I think Shadarle is saying that you should just set a three-month order instead of a 24-hour order. It does not cost more, and in fact costs 2.5mil less each time. What are you placing orders on?
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:42:00 - [9] Ships
FastLearner Fury Holdings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Shadarle So you place 1 billion + worth of buy orders using 24 hour orders? I suppose there is actually a reason to use a 24 hour order? I personally have never found a case where I'd want to. Seems like wasted money in broker fees, even with great skills and standing. Actually there are circumstaces where I'll use a 24 hour order - when I'm buying for a restock run. My freighter leaves at a certain time and I MUST have certain items purchased to load on it. So I set up a 24 hour buy order (which I obviously maintain more than once per day to keep alive). If I haven't got what I need on buy order by time teh freighter leaves I buy the goods from sell orders - and the 24 hour expiry on the buy order means I get the escrow back within a day even if I forget (or CBA) to cancel.
Hanoi Hana Mitsubishi Group	Posted - 2007.11.10 04:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Hanoi Hana I think Shadarle is saying that you should just set a three-month order instead of a 24-hour order. It does not cost more, and in fact costs 2.5mil less each time. What are you placing orders on? Originally by: Genji Ancient Ships Dang, almost. :) But he's talking about setting a much longer order than 24 hours. I cannot see any realistic benefit to choosing a 24-hour market order instead of a longer one. It takes MUCH LESS time to just right click on the orders in your Orders tab on your wallet to modify than it does to cancel and set a new one. I really can't think of any good points of setting a 24-hour order.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.11.10 06:22:00 - [12] Originally by: FastLearner Actually there are circumstaces where I'll use a 24 hour order - when I'm buying for a restock run. My freighter leaves at a certain time and I MUST have certain items purchased to load on it. So I set up a 24 hour buy order (which I obviously maintain more than once per day to keep alive). If I haven't got what I need on buy order by time teh freighter leaves I buy the goods from sell orders - and the 24 hour expiry on the buy order means I get the escrow back within a day even if I forget (or CBA) to cancel. Couldn't you instead just set a 3 month order and then if you need to cancel it you do? Or just let it sit there and hopefully someone will fill it with more fuel for your next cycle so you don't have to place it then? I know you aren't working on an ultra-tight budget Originally by: Genji Ancient Broker fees are 2.5 million isk on 1 billion isk of buy orders. My main constraint on weekdays is time. It seemed faster to create a new buy order rather than comparing the market for the current price and then modifying my old buy order. Do you know of a better way to do this in about the same or less time? Or what do you calculate the broker fees to be? I calculate the fees to be the same, though some would have fees as high as 10 million (most closer to 4-8 million). But my point is that if you are using a 24 hour order then when it runs out no one else can sell you stuff. But if you have a 3 month order and it doesn't get filled in 24 hour then it is still there and can be filled another day. I don't see any downside to that unless you are worried sell prices will drop below your buy order price before you had a chance to sell the ship. If this is the case then you're dealing in a much more hectic ship market than any I deal in. To me it is far more efficient to use the orders tab to check all my orders than it is to cycle through unplaced orders using the quickbar and place new orders every single week. Perhaps you have a hard time finding your orders on the market window... I do not. So if this is the case then perhaps you should find a way to tag your orders so you can find them quicker. It will save you 2.5 million each time you redo your orders. And if you happen to increase your trading and get into the 10's of billions you'll be saving 20+ million a week. It starts to add up, especially for people with poor standing. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Jennai Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.10 06:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Genji Ancient Broker fees are 2.5 million isk on 1 billion isk of buy orders. My main constraint on weekdays is time. It seemed faster to create a new buy order rather than comparing the market for the current price and then modifying my old buy order. Do you know of a better way to do this in about the same or less time? Or what do you calculate the broker fees to be? wtf click item-type in quickbar, look at prices, click place buy order, change quantity and price to desired amounts OR click item-type in quickbar, look at prices, click my orders tab, rightclick order, change price you were wasting 2.5m/day on stupid buy orders to save two seconds, if that.
Smartacus The Arrow Project	Posted - 2007.11.10 07:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Genji Ancient Edited by: Genji Ancient on 10/11/2007 03:11:39 I filed a petition. It seems my escrow was not returned and the ships were not purchased after 24 hours. Has anyone else experienced this? Yes I had the exact same problem. Put up buy order, next day checked it, buy order gone, items not purchased, no isk returned to me. I petitioned it, but the next day before I even got a reply on my petition, the ISK was released back into my wallet. Seems there was some kind of delay. Just keep an eye on it, and petition if needed.
Marcus Tedric Gallente Tedric Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:25:00 - [15] Actually this might explain some things I've had in the last few days.... I've had isk returned from Escrow from orders that I'm sure expired days ago (haven't been on every day over the Fanfest period and let things slide a bit). So, I have some evidence that Market Escrow is taking more than a single dt to return.
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:39:00 - [16] Thanks for feedback. Concerning the placement of 24 hour buy orders, I will stop doing this. I thought I was saving time but I'm bleeding isk slowly with that. I will chalk this up as another lesson learned.
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:57:00 - [17] Items/DT from expired orders are ALWAYS returned during DT - you always have to wait til next DT even if your order expires at 12.01 EVE. Sometimes you can get it earlier, but that is only when CCP restarts market service for some reason.
Oleksiy1	Posted - 2007.11.10 15:53:00 - [18] i guess that CCP gives short term loans and they use our isks for it
Hanoi Hana Mitsubishi Group	Posted - 2007.11.10 17:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Genji Ancient I dislike when I click my orders tab, having to scroll down to the order, making sure I have the right line highlighted, change price. I especially find it inconvenient that it scrolls to the top after I make the change. This part is annoying to me. So why don't you click the "Type" tab in your wallet? Then everything gets neatly alphabetized and DOESN'T shift around after you modify the price. :)
Genji Ancient	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:17:00 - [20] Oohh - I like it.

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