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Ian Blackclover Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:34:00 - [1] [08:04:46] Dose One > why why are you a black lover [08:04:51] Dose One > around blacks I can't relax [08:05:08] Taalo > gotta protect your Assets [08:05:20] Taalo > save that brown cherry [08:06:00] Ian Blackclover > oh lol, was ****ing how the hell are you? [08:06:08] Taalo > so does the C stand for cemen? ok, im not going to drag this out, however i cannot remain quiet. I am in no way a forum warrior, as its not my thing but one thing i will never understand is racism. And i want to make it perfectly clear before people get it in their minds otherwise...im as white as the driven snow, however irrelevant that may be. i understand there may be a misunderstanding of my name, however to bring it to this point is unacceptable. all im going to say to the people that said this in local to me is simply this..........i hope you get in a horrible car accident and the person that snaps the life back into you is black, so that you can spend the rest of eternity in question of your every thought. And to goonswarm...ive never really been a big fan of what you have done, however if this is a testiment of the theme you carry, than i hope you folks can have the common decency to eradicate this kind of ignorance from your end. ----------Ian
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:46:00 - [2] Wow take a joke or what buddy? Racism is persecuting jews. What I see here is a bunch of antics and some statistical humor.
Sarkkon	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:50:00 - [3] aww.. comeon. Angry because you cant stop staring at their sigs?
Zavernus Hamarabi Caldari High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Pitt Bull Wow take a joke or what buddy? Racism is persecuting jews. What I see here is a bunch of antics and some statistical humor. Are you freakin serious? Either you're kidding and you're not funny, or you're serious and you'd severely misinformed. CCP, a request: Reduce metagaming. Remove POS's and POS warfare. Remove rigs. Quote: null Thank you, Zav
Ian Blackclover Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:53:00 - [5] oh oki forgot where im posting....everything is a joke right....just like your carrier nerf...my bad
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.10 08:58:00 - [6] RAcism happens when you make a pre conceptionof a member of a group more based on what group they are part of then on what those people are. Liek someoen judjing other because he has darker skin, or like you generalizing this behavior to call all goons racist just because one guy's commentary. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:01:00 - [7] Goons offend my delicate sensibilities :monocle:
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Kagura Nikon RAcism happens when you make a pre conceptionof a member of a group more based on what group they are part of then on what those people are. Liek someoen judjing other because he has darker skin, or like you generalizing this behavior to call all goons racist just because one guy's commentary. See, this is bull... I can judge anyone however I please, in my personal tastes. To say someone with black skin is the same as someone with white skin is rediculous. Might as well say we are all the same as animals. Just because they have fur, walk on all four and don't think very fast doesn't mean we aren't all equal.... right? LOL But more to the point, it was meant to be a joke. Might as well call me a womanising sterotyper because of all those dumb blonde jokes I get a kick out of.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:13:00 - [9] Goonfleet tolerate and encourage the entire range of human offensiveness. This is deliberately done to foster their image as rampaging barbarians. Racism, sexism, homophobia, you name the group and they'll try and offend it. Petition the racism. End of story. Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Ian Blackclover Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:14:00 - [10] wow, i guess i need to make this clear....im not saying goons are racist first. thats just crazy, it is just that people that are in a group are supposed to represent ideals and such, but whatever, i guess i shouldnt have gone there. second, i could really care less who likes who, but, the reason i play a f'n video game is to give some sort of mental relief from the ignorance of the real world. and it amazes me to no end how people will still bring in their views of real world into a video game. so flame me all you want, im just saying that it was an unecessary bs comment. i dont care what anyone thinks of me for this really, its just about can you hate me cause im gallente?
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:41:00 - [11] Yes, Goons tend to be immature idiots. Just one more reason to pod them on sight.
Refugee007	Posted - 2007.11.10 09:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Yes, Goons tend to be immature idiots. nail on the head i think. They make no appologies for being ******s, so you have to expect a pretty low standard. They come from an internet sewer forum, just visit there and you'll see why they are the way they are. my advice is to keep your relationship to them at arms length.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Ian Blackclover wow, i guess i need to make this clear....im not saying goons are racist first. thats just crazy, it is just that people that are in a group are supposed to represent ideals and such, but whatever, i guess i shouldnt have gone there. second, i could really care less who likes who, but, the reason i play a f'n video game is to give some sort of mental relief from the ignorance of the real world. and it amazes me to no end how people will still bring in their views of real world into a video game. so flame me all you want, im just saying that it was an unecessary bs comment. i dont care what anyone thinks of me for this really, its just about can you hate me cause im gallente? If you got offended from their comments or think it violates the EULA somehow then petition it and let CCP be the judge. Originally by: Pitt Bull See, this is bull... I can judge anyone however I please, in my personal tastes. You are free to judge whoever you want and you are entitled to have personal opinions. Certain opinions are however categorized and named, such as racism. Originally by: Pitt Bull To say someone with black skin is the same as someone with white skin is rediculous. No human on earth have come across to be the exact same as another. Even identical twins with the same DNA are not the same in all areas (personal preferences, perception ect.). This makes your statement kind of obsolete because we're all humans and all equals imo. The racist however thinks some appearances and cultures are reasons not to treat a person as an equal.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:52:00 - [14] If someone is using language or other that you consider racists or harassment you should petition it under harassment and let the GMs deal with it.
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:53:00 - [15] The OP is correct. The apparent suggestion by the goon that you have to protect your assets is black folk are around is disgusting. OP- petition it rather than whinging on here though.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.11.10 10:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Fina The racist however thinks some appearances and cultures are reasons not to treat a person as an equal. This argument is more complicated than it seems. I believe appearances are equal, cultures are not. This doesn't make me a racist. In any case this discussion is beyond the scope of internet game forum. Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:05:00 - [17] Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Cpt Fina The racist however thinks some appearances and cultures are reasons not to treat a person as an equal. This argument is more complicated than it seems. I believe appearances are equal, cultures are not. This doesn't make me a racist. In any case this discussion is beyond the scope of internet game forum. You can think that a culture is inferior to another without being racist. Just as I think food from greece are tastier than food from Kazakstan. You should however ask yourself if culture alone is reason for you to think less of a human being given you don't know anything else about him. But as you said, this is not the right forum for such a discussion.
Moe Sczyzlak Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:12:00 - [18] Being BoB I'm not much of a goon-lover as you might understand. HOWEVER: To blame an alliance of 5000 ppl based on what 2 people are saying in a chat strikes me as less thought through.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak Being BoB I'm not much of a goon-lover as you might understand. HOWEVER: To blame an alliance of 5000 ppl based on what 2 people are saying in a chat strikes me as less thought through. If thereÆs no repercussions from the leaders in a corp/alliance it does reflect on their organisation as a whole. Nobody is forcing anyone to join a corp or an alliance.
Moe Sczyzlak Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak Being BoB I'm not much of a goon-lover as you might understand. HOWEVER: To blame an alliance of 5000 ppl based on what 2 people are saying in a chat strikes me as less thought through. If thereÆs no repercussions from the leaders in a corp/alliance it does reflect on their organisation as a whole. Nobody is forcing anyone to join a corp or an alliance. True but I think it's a lot to ask of said leaders to keep track of everything their members say in all the various chats. Most alliance leaders are only in the game to have fun. Just like the rest or us. If an alliance leader were to kick every member who happens to spew out a comment that could be considered racist in these insanelly PC times, that alliance would die very soon.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:28:00 - [21] Let someone run around wearing a mark or a tag that identifies them as part of your group and that's exactly what you have to worry about.
Moe Sczyzlak Caldari Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Moghydin Originally by: Cpt Fina The racist however thinks some appearances and cultures are reasons not to treat a person as an equal. This argument is more complicated than it seems. I believe appearances are equal, cultures are not. This doesn't make me a racist. In any case this discussion is beyond the scope of internet game forum. You can think that a culture is inferior to another without being racist. Just as I think food from greece are tastier than food from Kazakstan. You should however ask yourself if culture alone is reason for you to think less of a human being given you don't know anything else about him. But as you said, this is not the right forum for such a discussion. This is correct. Some cultures that run around killing their new born babies just cause they are girls or killing their teenagers cause they date people of another culture ARE inferior. That's not even a matter of opinion. It's fact, and have nothing to do with racism.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 11:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/11/2007 11:49:35 Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak Edited by: Moe Sczyzlak on 10/11/2007 11:30:16 Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak Being BoB I'm not much of a goon-lover as you might understand. HOWEVER: To blame an alliance of 5000 ppl based on what 2 people are saying in a chat strikes me as less thought through. If thereÆs no repercussions from the leaders in a corp/alliance it does reflect on their organisation as a whole. Nobody is forcing anyone to join a corp or an alliance. True but I think it's a lot to ask of said leaders to keep track of everything their members say in all the various chats. Most alliance leaders are only in the game to have fun. Just like the rest or us. If an alliance leader were to kick every member who happens to spew out a comment that could be considered racist in these insanelly PC times, that alliance would die very soon. Yes, to have an official standpoint and implement it effectively are two separate things. And no, IÆm not saying that this particular case is not meant to be humorous, even tho I don't find it funny. But if a case of crystal clear racial harassment from an alliancemember was to be brought to light and the alliance did nothing about it, then it would say a lot of said alliance. Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak That said I do have the impression that goons contain an unusually large number of short-sited, intolerant ape-men. Got the same impression tbh. Quote: This is correct. Some cultures that run around killing their new born babies just cause they are girls or killing their teenagers cause they date people of another culture ARE inferior. That's not even a matter of opinion. It's fact, and have nothing to do with racism. That is your opinion. Not a fact.
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Ian Blackclover i hope you folks can have the common decency to eradicate this kind of ignorance from your end. ----------Ian I share many of your sentiments, until I get to the last part. You and I have our own opinions. Those fellows have their opinions. We consider them to be misinformed, ignorant, and crude. They have every right to be that. Expressing those opinions in chat may be against ToS and punishable, but to ask Goon to punish -- nay, eradicate -- an entire group because of their beliefs, their opinions... that's even worse. Unless you're just talking about eradicating those offensive opinions. I'm all for that. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Ian Blackclover Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:12:00 - [25] lol @ ape-men. wonder if they have a planet....oh thats horrid...well masses are hard to control no doubt, and so is why i said i cant blame the organization. however, it is like a little hammer that slowly eats away at things. reputation is seemingly a large part of this game in the last 2 yrs ive played, and thats all i am pointing out. the reason i posted this was not to petition in any way as im not "that guy". however i DO believe in peer preasure, and hope that this is a proverbial smack to stereotyping. oh and ironic as it may be, if i did score a "brown cherry", i would hold onto that like it was liquid gold..........i mean c'mon, does anyone in here watch pron? lol......id give ya 2 sec maybe 3.....formyself, meh, prolly be done b4 the show
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Kagura Nikon RAcism happens when you make a pre conceptionof a member of a group more based on what group they are part of then on what those people are. Liek someoen judjing other because he has darker skin, or like you generalizing this behavior to call all goons racist just because one guy's commentary. See, this is bull... I can judge anyone however I please, in my personal tastes. To say someone with black skin is the same as someone with white skin is rediculous. Might as well say we are all the same as animals. Just because they have fur, walk on all four and don't think very fast doesn't mean we aren't all equal.... right? LOL But more to the point, it was meant to be a joke. Might as well call me a womanising sterotyper because of all those dumb blonde jokes I get a kick out of. Yes, clearly having more melanoma in your skin is the same as being a different species. WELL DONE.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak This is correct. Some cultures that run around killing their new born babies just cause they are girls or killing their teenagers cause they date people of another culture ARE inferior. That's not even a matter of opinion. It's fact, and have nothing to do with racism. That is your opinion. Not a fact. One of the biggest problems when dealing with a culture that is not your own is that you dont know much about them. This meens you are easilly tricked into believing that rare occurances in that culture are common occurances due to propaganda spread round by people with alterior motives. I meen look at your own country and try to find a not so flattering aspect, next think how a person wanting to give your culture a bad rep could abuse that. Simple wasnt it. To you it would be abvious its only a few nutcases that are doing it but to a person who do not understand your culture, what is acceptable and what is not and so on may easilly be fooled into thinking this is a common and accepted behaviour. This is what is called generalization and is one of the most frequent reasons for racism. Use your brain and get the facts, try to look past propaganda and always look at who is giving you the info. If for example a white supremasist is telling you that black people kidnap and sell white babies to brothels in the middle east its rather simple to figure out that he is not trustworthy but not all sources are as easy to weigh. To the OP. If you feel offended then petition it, that is alot better than starting a thread about it.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Fester Addams Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak This is correct. Some cultures that run around killing their new born babies just cause they are girls or killing their teenagers cause they date people of another culture ARE inferior. That's not even a matter of opinion. It's fact, and have nothing to do with racism. That is your opinion. Not a fact. One of the biggest problems when dealing with a culture that is not your own is that you dont know much about them. This meens you are easilly tricked into believing that rare occurances in that culture are common occurances due to propaganda spread round by people with alterior motives. I meen look at your own country and try to find a not so flattering aspect, next think how a person wanting to give your culture a bad rep could abuse that. Simple wasnt it. To you it would be abvious its only a few nutcases that are doing it but to a person who do not understand your culture, what is acceptable and what is not and so on may easilly be fooled into thinking this is a common and accepted behaviour. This is what is called generalization and is one of the most frequent reasons for racism. Use your brain and get the facts, try to look past propaganda and always look at who is giving you the info. If for example a white supremasist is telling you that black people kidnap and sell white babies to brothels in the middle east its rather simple to figure out that he is not trustworthy but not all sources are as easy to weigh. To the OP. If you feel offended then petition it, that is alot better than starting a thread about it. Did you inted to quote Moe Sczyzlak or me? If you meant you post to be an answer to anything I've written then I'd like you to either re-read what I've said in this thread or alter your post. If it was directed towards Moe Sczyzlak you should change the quotation asap.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Fester Addams Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak This is correct. Some cultures that run around killing their new born babies just cause they are girls or killing their teenagers cause they date people of another culture ARE inferior. That's not even a matter of opinion. It's fact, and have nothing to do with racism. That is your opinion. Not a fact. One of the biggest problems when dealing with a culture that is not your own is that you dont know much about them. This meens you are easilly tricked into believing that rare occurances in that culture are common occurances due to propaganda spread round by people with alterior motives. I meen look at your own country and try to find a not so flattering aspect, next think how a person wanting to give your culture a bad rep could abuse that. Simple wasnt it. To you it would be abvious its only a few nutcases that are doing it but to a person who do not understand your culture, what is acceptable and what is not and so on may easilly be fooled into thinking this is a common and accepted behaviour. This is what is called generalization and is one of the most frequent reasons for racism. Use your brain and get the facts, try to look past propaganda and always look at who is giving you the info. If for example a white supremasist is telling you that black people kidnap and sell white babies to brothels in the middle east its rather simple to figure out that he is not trustworthy but not all sources are as easy to weigh. To the OP. If you feel offended then petition it, that is alot better than starting a thread about it. Did you inted to quote Moe Sczyzlak or me? If you meant the post to be an answer to anything I've written then I'd like you to either re-read what I've said in this thread or alter your post. If it was directed towards Moe Sczyzlak you should change the quotation asap.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.10 12:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Cpt Fina Did you inted to quote Moe Sczyzlak or me? If you meant the post to be an answer to anything I've written then I'd like you to either re-read what I've said in this thread or alter your post. If it was directed towards Moe Sczyzlak you should change the quotation asap. Sorry, I wanted to rephrase my first line and forgot to put it back in, I apologize. It was ment as a suport to your post.

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