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Morhon Amarr Aegis Starship Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.10 20:59:00 - [1] Having followed some links from another post I have discovered that Sony asked a company called terrasoftto make a version of linux to work on the PS3. It is now avalible for free download from the terrasoft website. Unfortunatley it doesn't yet support full video acceleration so I doubt eve will run on it yet. But they are trying to work with nvidia to sort that out, so maby, just maby the linux version of Eve will eventually work on the PS3 You can see a video about Linux on the PS3 at the bottom of this page. Does my bum look big in this cape?
Cardice Makar Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.10 21:03:00 - [2] Cedega only supports the x86 and x86_64 platforms [PC platforms]. This is why there is no EVE client for PPC Mac machines. There was a wine project dedicated to creating an environment for Windows applications on the PPC platform, but I'm not sure how much progress was made. Long story short, PS3 = PPC [really Cell architecture, a variation of this] and not a normal instruction set, therefore it won't run Cedega unfortunately, therefore won't run EVE.
Morhon Amarr Aegis Starship Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.10 21:16:00 - [3] Oh well, thought it seemed to good to be true. There was me thinking I might get to slob out on the sofa and play eve. I will have to make do with Heavenly sword Does my bum look big in this cape?
Sadayiel Caldari Dragon Highlords THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.11.10 21:31:00 - [4] just call chribba if i recall he already made eve work in a cell phone and a ipod
Baleur Miners In Barges Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:16:00 - [5] Yeah lets buy a $600 useless gaming and blueray system, to play Eve via linux on it, instead of on your computer. Yeah lets do that ------------------------- This post represents my entire alliance views and opinions. Not.. ;(
Zephyr Zhang coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Sadayiel just call chribba if i recall he already made eve work in a cell phone and a ipod hewasnt running it off the software. he was using his computer to send an update to a webserver of his eve client, so basically he was playing eve threw a browser. Monks Iz Back
Cardice Makar Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Baleur Yeah lets buy a $600 useless gaming and blueray system, to play Eve via linux on it, instead of on your computer. Yeah lets do that As far as processing power is concerned, the PS3 is nothing to scoff at. If the RSX engine had linux drivers, it should be relatively comparable to most computers on the market. Cell architecture is based off RISC/Power+ 64 architecture, the RSX graphics cell is relatively impressive, specification wise. It would make an admirable PC-gaming platform [if it could run PC games] for $600. Building a similar spec'd machine [while it's impossible because comparing Power+ Arch to x86 arch is like comparing a 1980 carburated 4-cyl engine to a P&W F119 turbofan engine] would cost you a few thousand dollars. Besides these points, I'm sure someone, somewhere owns one.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:32:00 - [8] me
Morhon Amarr Aegis Starship Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.10 23:48:00 - [9] Quote: Yeah lets buy a $600 useless gaming and blueray system, to play Eve via linux on it, instead of on your computer. Yeah lets do that I knew someone would say somthing like that. I don't remember suggesting everyone go out and buy one I happen to own one and liked what I thought was the possibility of playing eve on it and no doubt I'm not the only person with an eve account and a PS3. And Useless it is anything but; A Blu-ray player, Mp3 player, Web browser, photo viewer, Linux PC, Personal Video Recorder (in january similar to Sky+), games consol and in it's spare time helping research into serious diseases such as cancer via folding@home which happens to be the most powerful distributed network in the world thanks to the PS3. Do I regret spending ú360 on it.. erm no /rant off Does my bum look big in this cape?
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned	Posted - 2007.11.11 07:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Morhon Having followed some links from another post I have discovered that Sony asked a company called terrasoftto make a version of linux to work on the PS3. It is now avalible for free download from the terrasoft website. You can get pretty much any Distro of Linux that is compiled for the power PC to run on the PS3, I've not heard of Terrasoft before so I'm sceptical as to what sort of repositories they've got, tbh I'd go with a distro like Fedora or Debian (or Gentoo if your a masochist) as they have a much wider selection of packages available. As mentioned by others the Eve binaries are compiled for the x86 architecture, you could maybe emulate an x86 through something like Qemu but I'd be skeptical as to the level of performace you could achieve. I'm tempted to buy a PS3 myself, if they dropped in price for Christmas sales I may grab one, Linux running on it would be useful for streaming audio, video etc from my comp to TV, which has a much better sound system hooked up to it...

F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.11.11 08:22:00 - [11] Just out of curiosity, how does the new Linux client work on other CPUs? I'm sure someone of ingenuity could make it work on the PS3, or any other hardware that supports Linux. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned	Posted - 2007.11.11 09:44:00 - [12] Originally by: F'nog Just out of curiosity, how does the new Linux client work on other CPUs? I'm sure someone of ingenuity could make it work on the PS3, or any other hardware that supports Linux. CCP hasn't released the source code for the linux client, they just have a precompiled binary available, the reason Linux works on a large number of platforms is due to the open availability of the source code for it, which allows people who have an interest in getting linux to run on their hardware to modify the code so that it will. So basically it's easy to take a open source program/library/toolkit whatever: like the Linux Kernel, VLC, Firefox, GNU toolchain, Open GL etc and get it to support a lot of different hardware platforms while porting a binary program that you don't have the source code for like: Direct X, Windows, most games etc is much more difficult. Obviously you can use emulators, compability layers, virtulization etc to get binaries to run on platforms they weren't written for but the extra complications added by doing this will have a performance impact. Not to mention behavior is not perfect (The EVE Linux client at the moment is simply using a customised version of Cedega, a closed source Windows compatibility layer (x86 only) to launch the eve binary, so it's not even a native binary). In an ideal world (at least to some people like RMS, GNU etc) source code would be available for all programs and you would be able to run anything on any computer and modify the code to your hearts content, as it is companies like to hold on to their source code, to make profit by selling binaries, to protect intellectual property, to avoid modifications, whatever. Theres benefits to both models, I don't imagine CCP will release source code to the Eve client, so people won't be able to modify the client to run on other types of Hardware anytime soon, CCP may modify the client in house but I doubt the effort is worth the reward for them to do so.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.11.11 10:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Norwood Franskly Originally by: F'nog Just out of curiosity, how does the new Linux client work on other CPUs? I'm sure someone of ingenuity could make it work on the PS3, or any other hardware that supports Linux. CCP hasn't released the source code for the linux client, they just have a precompiled binary available, the reason Linux works on a large number of platforms is due to the open availability of the source code for it, which allows people who have an interest in getting linux to run on their hardware to modify the code so that it will. So basically it's easy to take a open source program/library/toolkit whatever: like the Linux Kernel, VLC, Firefox, GNU toolchain, Open GL etc and get it to support a lot of different hardware platforms while porting a binary program that you don't have the source code for like: Direct X, Windows, most games etc is much more difficult. Obviously you can use emulators, compability layers, virtulization etc to get binaries to run on platforms they weren't written for but the extra complications added by doing this will have a performance impact. Not to mention behavior is not perfect (The EVE Linux client at the moment is simply using a customised version of Cedega, a closed source Windows compatibility layer (x86 only) to launch the eve binary, so it's not even a native binary). In an ideal world (at least to some people like RMS, GNU etc) source code would be available for all programs and you would be able to run anything on any computer and modify the code to your hearts content, as it is companies like to hold on to their source code, to make profit by selling binaries, to protect intellectual property, to avoid modifications, whatever. Theres benefits to both models, I don't imagine CCP will release source code to the Eve client, so people won't be able to modify the client to run on other types of Hardware anytime soon, CCP may modify the client in house but I doubt the effort is worth the reward for them to do so. Good points. But if I've followed the development of the Linux client as I believe I have, most of it has been done by 3rd parties. So it's entirely possible that the source code is available and easily accessible, as CCP wouldn't own it. So the modifications you listed could be easily accessed by people interested in such a move. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.


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