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Complex Potential
Soliders Of Eve
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:24:00 -
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I should probably say up front that I fly Gallente and love drone ships so this post is not about Gallente bashing.
I've heard a lot about the Eos changes coming up and people complaining that its DPS and status as a combat ship is being severely nerfed. This is true, but it is a CS and not really supposed to be for combat.
Ok, so its racial gang bonus sucks but that's just bad luck. Having one in a gang with several gang assist modules running will make a huge difference to the overall effectiveness of your ships. This is the whole point.
After the patch those who use the Eos as a fighting ship could just switch to a Megathron with T2 fittings. It is comparable on DPS, tank and playing style and has the added bonus of being insurable. You're not quite as fast but that's not the end of the world.
Just my thoughts.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:28:00 -
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Out of all the ships, you pick the Mega!?
The myrm is somewhat similiar, as a BC-class droneship with somewhat high damage and a repperbonus, about the same DPS.
The mega is normally run as a sniper(far outrange the Eos, no similarities at all tbh) or a blasterboat where I guesstimate it to have about the double DPS of an Eos, and quite often a passive tank. Drones here is just a small complement not the main damage. Doubt you'll ever see a mega revolving around drones tbh. And I've learned to see and even accept the Hype as a droneboat.
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:33:00 -
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 Originally by: NoNah
The myrm is somewhat similiar, as a BC-class droneship with somewhat high damage and a repperbonus, about the same DPS.
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Complex Potential
Soliders Of Eve
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Out of all the ships, you pick the Mega!?
The myrm is somewhat similiar, as a BC-class droneship with somewhat high damage and a repperbonus, about the same DPS.
The mega is normally run as a sniper(far outrange the Eos, no similarities at all tbh) or a blasterboat where I guesstimate it to have about the double DPS of an Eos, and quite often a passive tank. Drones here is just a small complement not the main damage. Doubt you'll ever see a mega revolving around drones tbh. And I've learned to see and even accept the Hype as a droneboat.
The Mega makes a great sniper for fleet combat yes. But I was referring to the up-close-and-gank-it type of style that the Mega is also quite good at. The Eos tends to gets used in a similar way for small gang/solo combat.
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Riho
Pastry Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:57:00 -
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im going to miss eos... but a claymore is my next toy
what other ship can have a 3 slot tank.. that tanks 1k dps :P and flys quite fast and has ok dps :D
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.11.12 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Complex Potential
The Mega makes a great sniper for fleet combat yes. But I was referring to the up-close-and-gank-it type of style that the Mega is also quite good at. The Eos tends to gets used in a similar way for small gang/solo combat.
My point is that the blasterthron is a heavy concrete rock with an extreme damage output, say 13-1400 dps, while the EOS was high for a fleet command, it was nowhere near those numbers but possibly half. It did however have an amazing active tank, and was very versatile and nimble compared to the domi for example.
Point is, mega is much more of a one trick gankboat while the Eos was versatile, I see quite alot of ships being more similar to the Eos than the mega.
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Complex Potential
Soliders Of Eve
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Complex Potential
The Mega makes a great sniper for fleet combat yes. But I was referring to the up-close-and-gank-it type of style that the Mega is also quite good at. The Eos tends to gets used in a similar way for small gang/solo combat.
My point is that the blasterthron is a heavy concrete rock with an extreme damage output, say 13-1400 dps, while the EOS was high for a fleet command, it was nowhere near those numbers but possibly half. It did however have an amazing active tank, and was very versatile and nimble compared to the domi for example.
Point is, mega is much more of a one trick gankboat while the Eos was versatile, I see quite alot of ships being more similar to the Eos than the mega.
Fair point. I never meant to imply that the two ships were identical. I'm sure seasoned Eos pilots will point out multiply differences. Unfortunately the Eos is being nerfed so we'll have to change to something.
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.12 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Rider on 12/11/2007 15:59:03
Change race or switch to Ishtar. I see the Ishtar prices sky rocketing with all the drone pilots losing their Myrmidon and Eos in one patch will move to the next option; for those that don't want to spend even more time training large guns and bs.
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Complex Potential
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Fair point. I never meant to imply that the two ships were identical. I'm sure seasoned Eos pilots will point out multiply differences. Unfortunately the Eos is being nerfed so we'll have to change to something.
Why should we have to change to something else ? The Eos is being nerfed to almost the level of a post-nerf Myrmidon...
7/4/6 layout doesnt help the EOS in versatility , if people wanted 7/4/6 they would fly an Astarte..
Having the same bandwidth and a similar layout to the nerfed Myrmidon really just makes an Eos an expensive Myrmidon with not much more to offer.
Sadly yes, the best combat Eos setup is to fly a Megathron..
And dont compare the EOS tank to that of a Vulture.. active shield tanking, while less cap efficient also boosts alot more hp per second, often times needing only 1 booster. Not to mention the fact that passive tanking is still very good on the Vulture.
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haniblecter
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Rider
Edited by: Blue Rider on 12/11/2007 15:59:03
Change race or switch to Ishtar. I see the Ishtar prices sky rocketing with all the drone pilots losing their Myrmidon and Eos in one patch will move to the next option; for those that don't want to spend even more time training large guns and bs.
Edit: sp?
I bounced this idea off of another eve-economy geek and we both agreed, this wont happen.
The myrmidon was popular because it was, argueable to some extent, overpowered. People flew it because of that, not because it was a drone ship.
All the myrmidon kiddies will move to another flavor, not stick with drones (which are awesome, 4.5mill myself) The ishtar is just a different creature, hell of alot more expensive, too.
In fact, the myrmidon was as popular as it was because it was T1, and most you could lose was 20mill or so (insurance cost + t2 modules, may be a bit liberal with that)
So, ishtar prices will rise a tad, but not enough to be worthy of investing. Falcon prices on the other hand....
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Rider on 12/11/2007 16:59:01
Originally by: haniblecter
Originally by: Blue Rider
Edited by: Blue Rider on 12/11/2007 15:59:03
Change race or switch to Ishtar. I see the Ishtar prices sky rocketing with all the drone pilots losing their Myrmidon and Eos in one patch will move to the next option; for those that don't want to spend even more time training large guns and bs.
Edit: sp?
I bounced this idea off of another eve-economy geek and we both agreed, this wont happen.
The myrmidon was popular because it was, argueable to some extent, overpowered. People flew it because of that, not because it was a drone ship.
All the myrmidon kiddies will move to another flavor, not stick with drones (which are awesome, 4.5mill myself) The ishtar is just a different creature, hell of alot more expensive, too.
In fact, the myrmidon was as popular as it was because it was T1, and most you could lose was 20mill or so (insurance cost + t2 modules, may be a bit liberal with that)
So, ishtar prices will rise a tad, but not enough to be worthy of investing. Falcon prices on the other hand....
I hope you and your buddy are right, I'm definitely no economic expert, but I do plan on moving to the Ishtar as I have more sp in drones as a weapon than any other type; 5,381,885 to be exact and none toward fighters.
And just for info, my myrmidon cost way more than 20 mil to lose. The rigs alone cost roughly 45 mil + ~40 mil ship + ~10 mil mods + ~5 mil drones, rough total = $100 mil.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:27:00 -
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Why should we have to change to something else ? The Eos is being nerfed to almost the level of a post-nerf Myrmidon...
7/4/6 layout doesnt help the EOS in versatility , if people wanted 7/4/6 they would fly an Astarte..
Having the same bandwidth and a similar layout to the nerfed Myrmidon really just makes an Eos an expensive Myrmidon with not much more to offer.
Sadly yes, the best combat Eos setup is to fly a Megathron..
And dont compare the EOS tank to that of a Vulture.. active shield tanking, while less cap efficient also boosts alot more hp per second, often times needing only 1 booster. Not to mention the fact that passive tanking is still very good on the Vulture.
Im not sure what would make the eos pilots happy TBH. First they complain it will be useless as a fleet command ship since it will have the worst tank. CCP gives it a 7th low to tank with, and now its an astarte with less damage? Cmon, you can fit a dual rep tank that will be comparable to all the other FC and sit SS running gang links. YOu also have the added benifit of having a large enough drone bay to have flights of shield and armor bots repping your interceptors armor that take damage etc. Eos is just getting balanced, which I greatly appreciate ccp, bout damn time.
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Blue Rider
Thanos and Killjoy Productions
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.12 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
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Why should we have to change to something else ? The Eos is being nerfed to almost the level of a post-nerf Myrmidon...
7/4/6 layout doesnt help the EOS in versatility , if people wanted 7/4/6 they would fly an Astarte..
Having the same bandwidth and a similar layout to the nerfed Myrmidon really just makes an Eos an expensive Myrmidon with not much more to offer.
Sadly yes, the best combat Eos setup is to fly a Megathron..
And dont compare the EOS tank to that of a Vulture.. active shield tanking, while less cap efficient also boosts alot more hp per second, often times needing only 1 booster. Not to mention the fact that passive tanking is still very good on the Vulture.
Im not sure what would make the eos pilots happy TBH. First they complain it will be useless as a fleet command ship since it will have the worst tank. CCP gives it a 7th low to tank with, and now its an astarte with less damage? Cmon, you can fit a dual rep tank that will be comparable to all the other FC and sit SS running gang links. YOu also have the added benifit of having a large enough drone bay to have flights of shield and armor bots repping your interceptors armor that take damage etc. Eos is just getting balanced, which I greatly appreciate ccp, bout damn time.
Afaik, it's getting a 6th low slot. That's nice. But to answer your rhetorical question, "I'm not sure what would make the eos pilots happy TBH":
High x6, turret x4
Mid x5
Low x6
- turret dmg bonus
+ sentry bandwidth or all drone speed bonus
+ drone dmg bonus
A bonus to logistic drones is pretty pointless as there's already a ship to run those better.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.11.12 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 12/11/2007 20:46:44
Originally by: Complex Potential
Ok, so its racial gang bonus sucks but that's just bad luck. Having one in a gang with several gang assist modules running will make a huge difference to the overall effectiveness of your ships. This is the whole point.
Sigh, another of these "Hi I want to comment without getting it"-guys.
As a ganglink ship, the Eos completely suck compared to all of damnation, vulture and claymore. Simple as that.
So it really does matter.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Edited by: dalman on 12/11/2007 20:46:44
Originally by: Complex Potential
Ok, so its racial gang bonus sucks but that's just bad luck. Having one in a gang with several gang assist modules running will make a huge difference to the overall effectiveness of your ships. This is the whole point.
Sigh, another of these "Hi I want to comment without getting it"-guys.
As a ganglink ship, the Eos completely suck compared to all of damnation, vulture and claymore. Simple as that.
So it really does matter.
k?
You could do what everyone else does with ships that aren't worth flying.
Don't fly them, problem solved. I know you want your ship but until CCP counteracts their nerf a bit you'll just have to adapt. Sorry.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.11.12 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 12/11/2007 21:11:05
Originally by: Krows
Originally by: dalman
Edited by: dalman on 12/11/2007 20:46:44
Originally by: Complex Potential
Ok, so its racial gang bonus sucks but that's just bad luck. Having one in a gang with several gang assist modules running will make a huge difference to the overall effectiveness of your ships. This is the whole point.
Sigh, another of these "Hi I want to comment without getting it"-guys.
As a ganglink ship, the Eos completely suck compared to all of damnation, vulture and claymore. Simple as that.
So it really does matter.
k?
You could do what everyone else does with ships that aren't worth flying.
Don't fly them, problem solved. I know you want your ship but until CCP counteracts their nerf a bit you'll just have to adapt. Sorry.
*special* newsflash just for you: each race only have one fleet command ship.
So it's very much not the same as when ppl complain about the apoc, muninn, ares, eagle, whatever.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.13 09:04:00 -
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Nobody seems to get it. The Eos was different than the Astarte. With the upcoming changes, it will be just like the Astarte, minus the firepower. Which is stupid.
You can't replace the Eos with a Mega. The Eos fills a niche role. BC with semi-decent firpower and a flexible 5th mid for various mods (sensor booster is a great one).
If I want a CS with 4 mids and 6 lows, I'll fly an Astarte than you very much.
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