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Davion Vrynn
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 02:50:00 -
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After the Cyrene Initiative withdrew their war of aggression against the APEX Conglomerate without apology some weeks ago, we elected to pursue them back into Federation space and extract that apology or equivalent payback by force.
After several weeks of war, it has become apparent that the leaders of the Initiative are far too stubborn to give us the simple thing we asked for. Regardless of this fact, the damage inflicted upon them speaks for itself, and the Conglomerate feels that CYI has learned its lesson.
In the weeks since APEX's arrival in Stacmon and subsequent coordination with Stimulus, our combined fleets have inflicted significant damage to CYI's infrastructure, including the destruction of 3 Initiative POS's and countless combat vessels.
In addition, because of their ill-advised war, CYI has lost the trust of several individual pilots and one of their member corporations, causing them to leave the alliance. Their operations have been ground to a near halt and most of their remaining pilots have abandoned the Stacmon system to the control of Stimulus and APEX fleets.
The Conglomerate is satisfied with the results of this war and now officially withdraws its war declaration on CYI.
To the pilots of the Acheron Federation: The Conglomerate has no quarrel with you and does not desire to take the lives of any more ATEAM crews now that our vengeance on CYI is complete. APEX respects your willingness to come to the aid or your allies, despite our disapproval of your choice of friends, and we hope you will consider your obligation to aid them fulfilled. However, if you elect to continue this war, we will meet you on the field of battle. Just be aware that it is not our desire to do so. Business on both sides has been disrupted long enough.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.11.13 07:32:00 -
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In other words, "Acheron has moved in. We're about to get bent over like an Amarrian Holder's daughter. Let's call what we have a victory and leave it at that", right?
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Jonny Damordred
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 08:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
In other words, "Acheron has moved in. We're about to get bent over like an Amarrian Holder's daughter. Let's call what we have a victory and leave it at that", right?
Um, Acheron has been engaging Stimulus and APEX gangs for a least a week now. You might want to check how that's been going for them before continuing.
Just a hint,
Jonny D.
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PiF
Gallente
TAKAGI Corp
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.13 09:59:00 -
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If I recall correctly, The Cyrene Initiative waged a war against the Apex Conglomerate in order to remove Apex's illegal acts from the Federation, wich they succeeded. The State then tried to conduct an inquiry, wich Apex refused. The Conglomerate, tied with Guristas associates, has even withdrawn from the State juridiction, embracing the pirate way, showing to all how true were the thoughts of The Cyrene Initiative.
As long as you're a pirate, you're an enemy of of the State, of the Federation and thus an enemy of The Cyrene Initiative and Acheron Federation.
Should you renounce to illegality, agree to a joint inquiry on your past business, rejoin the State juridiction, then we could talk of peace.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.11.13 11:06:00 -
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You don't feel you might want a bit more force behind your words when issuing such statements, do you?
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Odessima
Caldari
Phoenix Wing
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.13 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Odessima on 13/11/2007 11:20:34
I wonder how Omerta feels about you claiming their victories, I know if it was a Corporation I was in I would be feeling a little annoyed at your statement. Yes you killed a quite a few, but out of respect for Omerta I would suggest you leave it at that. Pherhaps if we werent so tied up with Omerta the outcome would have been more engaging.
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Gerrard DuNord
Strix Armaments and Defence
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.13 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Damordred
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
In other words, "Acheron has moved in. We're about to get bent over like an Amarrian Holder's daughter. Let's call what we have a victory and leave it at that", right?
Um, Acheron has been engaging Stimulus and APEX gangs for a least a week now. You might want to check how that's been going for them before continuing.
Just a hint,
Jonny D.
Just a slight clarification on this point Jonny. You are correct in your intimation that Stimulus has had the upper hand in our engagements, however APEX has done little else except turn up with a few pilots whenever a strong Stimulus fleet has been there. To date APEX have been no threat themselves, whilst Stimulus have been challenging and worthy opponents, regardless of whether an APEX pilot has been present or not. Any suggestion that APEX have had a significant impact on the results of this conflict are erroneous.
I do feel that this is an important distinction for outsiders to understand. If the APEX leadership feel that this is not the case, then by all means let's arrange for Acheron to face APEX alone - I'm completely confident that the resulting losses would demonstrate my point.
To make this crytsal clear:
Have Stimulus and APEX gangs had the upper hand so far? Yes
Would Stimulus alone have achieved the same result? Yes
Could APEX have done the same alone? No
Our war was always with APEX, the conflict with Stimulus was a by product of this. We knew the quality of Stimulus before we engaged, and I hope that they would agree we haven't avoided taking on vastly superior ships - we have flown against Stimulus whenever we have been able to, and done considerable damage given the huge differences in the ships being flown.
This is a personal response to this announcement, not an official Acheron response. I'm sure that, after consultation with our allies, an official Acheron position will be made clear here soon.
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Karl Schmidt
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 13:18:00 -
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I don't know about other APEX pilots, but I wasn't too bothered about the AF dec. My quarrel was not with them. My quarrel was with CYI.
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 15:39:00 -
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Cyrene lost two corporations to this war. The leadership of Cyrene had real bull**** reasons for starting this war. APEX had no presence in Placid, lately. The only presence I can remember was when I was hunting pirates in the area working with Placid Reborn and a couple of CYI pilots, so in essence you are directly involved in this "Illegal" presence you so speak of.
You lost, get over it, and move on.
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Karl Schmidt
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 15:58:00 -
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Errr Jon, Gerrard DuNord is not in CYI.....
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Albrecht Wassenar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Albrecht Wassenar on 13/11/2007 17:44:11
I am rather aghast at how mis-informed the Cyrene member base has been about the events leading up to this war, and now Acheron as well? Believe whatever you want, but please understand that it is at your own peril. Guess I should remember my proverbs better; "It if foolish to try to talk to someone who will not listen."
I would like to point out that APEXC forces have only ever engaged war targets or neg security pod pilots. It's still against our RoE, and always will be if Gorion or I are involved. Acts of piracy by our members are not tolerated, have not been tolerated, and will not be tolerated. I hope I have made that sufficiently clear for you.
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
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Posted - 2007.11.13 18:27:00 -
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I'm glad to hear it's over. |
Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.13 18:37:00 -
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Different war, same result.
Cyrene refuses to learn. They are more interested in cheating victory from others. And by doing so they feel some sick victory themselves. They lie to their people and lie to themselves. It's as if they are being fed some holo-reality.
I would tend to say they did not learn anything except to indoctrinate recent pilots to into the CYI way. But I was not there for this 'lesson.' My criteria for learning might be a bit different though. And despite all the analogies I could come up with and poke fun at them with, they are just another symbol of what is wrong with the state of general humanity as it is right now.
The picture is painted, and it's ugly to look at. It's up to others if they want to live it.
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Dangermouse DM
Caldari
Black River Industries
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dangermouse DM on 13/11/2007 19:10:48
All we wanted was an apology for this trumped up war and CYI's leadership refused even that, they treated our diplomats with utter disdain. AF has fought well and with honour in this conflict but you are ruining it all now with your short sightedness. I think you should take a closer look at exactly what has happened to CYI over the past month before you start running your mouths off. While we owe a great deal to our allies in this conflict make no mistake if you go after us with no cause this is what happens.
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joydivision
Duty.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dangermouse DM
While we owe a great deal to our allies in this conflict make no mistake if you go after us with no cause this is what happens.
You mean you'll avoid combat with anywhere near equal numbers, hide behind Stimulus, let your pilots smack and challenge others but still refuse to fight when we come to call you on it, and generally make utter fools of yourself?
Yes, I'm sure everybody is terrified.
Duty.
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Albrecht Wassenar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: joydivision
Originally by: Dangermouse DM
While we owe a great deal to our allies in this conflict make no mistake if you go after us with no cause this is what happens.
You mean you'll avoid combat with anywhere near equal numbers, hide behind Stimulus, let your pilots smack and challenge others but still refuse to fight when we come to call you on it, and generally make utter fools of yourself?
Yes, I'm sure everybody is terrified.
Well, thats fantastic, because now you have our full, undivided attention.
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joydivision
Duty.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:44:00 -
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Wonderful :)
And I assume your friends will be joining the party too? I'd be shocked to hear otherwise.
Duty.
Peace through order.
Order through victory.
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Albrecht Wassenar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 19:51:00 -
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You would have to ask them.
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joydivision
Duty.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:05:00 -
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I would just like to salute Tek Avellos for a very good fight just now.
More of that please :)
Duty.
Peace through order.
Order through victory.
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Albrecht Wassenar
Caldari
Tsurokigaarai
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: joydivision
I would just like to salute Tek Avellos for a very good fight just now.
More of that please :)
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:16:00 -
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Yes Joy, I hope that CYI and AF has thanked Duty for helping on their behalf.
All you managed to do is attack our back lines and disrupt our production as we fought CYI, AF, and ATROC.
So then you move to Cistivert and hound our forces during battle with the Gallente forces looking to score an easy kill like a Vulture circling over its prey.
And what reasons did Duty dec us for? Because we have a NAP with some pirates? We aren't working with them. We were working with Stim because of a commen enemy. We even did you a favor and got them to NOT dec you guys.
We jest in local channels with you and we are accused of smacktalk? What do you expect when we all think your reasons for that war are asinine. We backed you guys up. And we get a war dec for it?
I am tired of this. Oh yes Duty, we are going to now put our FULL and UNDIVIDED attention on you guys until you realize we were never your true enemy. In fact your actions went on to help your real enemy in the end.
Really sad to be honest...
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joydivision
Duty.
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:17:00 -
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So we'll be seeing YOU in space then Cloora?
Somehow, i suspect not........
Duty.
Peace through order.
Order through victory.
Victory through dedication. |
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:27:00 -
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I come out and play. You can look up on your killboard the records that I have participated in battle and even gotten kills. But remember, I have more skills with a Strip miner then a Missile launcher. So don't expect any duels from me.
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Tek Avellos
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.13 20:49:00 -
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Good fight Joy.
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Scots Crusader
Minmatar
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.11.14 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cloora
And what reasons did Duty dec us for? Because we have a NAP with some pirates? We aren't working with them. We were working with Stim because of a commen enemy. We even did you a favor and got them to NOT dec you guys.
Really sad to be honest...
..................raises his head off the bar, realises he has missed out on a fight,meh, and returns to his drink induced slumber.
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