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Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.11.13 07:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 13/11/2007 08:02:14 ...you're not using enough. Luckily he had no right to bear nukes. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.13 08:07:00 - [2] I sure am proud to live in washington. First a guy dies from being ****** in the ass by a horse and now this Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.13 08:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 13/11/2007 08:02:14 ...you're not using enough. Luckily he had no right to bear nukes. WTH is wrong with some people? How can you justify firing a shotgun at a tire to loosen a lug nut? The man should be banned from owning anything deadlier than crayola safety scissors for the remainder of his natural life.
Ravelin Eb Endgame.	Posted - 2007.11.13 08:42:00 - [4] Id of probably used a more direct form of projectile, from say a rifle or handgun. not a shotgun. hopefully he will have learned his lesson and will use the correct form of firearm the next time he needs to fix his car. Signature Your signature exceeds the 400 pixel width limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Multras I sure am proud to live in washington. First a guy dies from being ****** in the ass by a horse and now this cheer up. at least the bloke with the horse put himself out of the gene pool. sadly this one has the possibility of having passed on his DNA... :/
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.13 09:39:00 - [6] HARharhar! that's awesome only a few miles form me to boot! that man must of really wanted to get that nut off :) Official fanboy of jenny< pink supporter! looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi
annoing Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:23:00 - [7] Damn I was just coming on these forums to post this...... I'm just so pleased that gun control in the USA has meant that the stupid, insane, psychotic and inbred (amongst others) are prevented from owning guns and putting themselves, and others, in potentially hazardous situations.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:38:00 - [8] Reminds me of these lyrics.. ''It takes more than combat gear to make a man, it takes more than a license to own a gun.''
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:52:00 - [9] Why did he get the idea that as a Lugnut would not move - the logical conclusion was to shoot it?... Almost as good as the Texan woman that blasteres her feet off with a shotgun thinkine her slippers were rabbits...
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.11.13 10:54:00 - [10] Nah, I don't think he really wanted to loosen the nut, he simply went nuts over it and decided to take revenge
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.13 12:31:00 - [11] If the Vice-President can use a shotgun to loosen a nut, why can't this fellow? Typical British classism ^^. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Kathryn Dougans B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2007.11.13 13:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Derovius Vaden WTH is wrong with some people? How can you justify firing a shotgun at a tire to loosen a lug nut? I know someone, a friend of my father, who used a shotgun to straighten a bent suspension arm for a Mark 2 Jaguar car they were restoring. It worked. Using a shotgun on a wheelnut doesn't seem anywhere like as sensible though.
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.11.13 13:31:00 - [13] Don't Americans have WD-40? __________________________________
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.13 15:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.13 15:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest?
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.13 16:08:00 - [16] Edited by: DarkMatter on 13/11/2007 16:10:15 LOL! I worked with a guy who said he had a friend who used a shotgun to blast a hole in his floor. He was running some new heating ducts... Some ppl simply watch too much Hollywood crap, or are just that stupid... I mean, I throw tools and swear my head off when things aren't going right in the garage, but to resort to a gun? I guess my temper is not as bad a some ppl's... My Current Project
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.13 16:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? They sell WD-40 at every schucks, NAPA, and gas station where I live. Hell my dad has a couple 1 gallon containers of is. I would first reach for the WD-40 or torque wrench before grabbing my shotgun. Hell I would even resort to a welding torch before grabbing a shotgun. I would even take it to a mechanic before grabbing shotgun. Damn old fools. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Mudkest MetaForge Ekliptika	Posted - 2007.11.13 16:48:00 - [18] bet it was his rabbit-hunting rifle ----- GIEV custom ship paint jobs! I want my hello-kitty-kessie! For your safety do not destroy vital testing apparatus
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.13 16:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Mudkest bet it was his rabbit-hunting rifle Duck season, FIRE! My Current Project
DUFFMANX DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.11.13 20:29:00 - [20] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Mudkest bet it was his rabbit-hunting rifle Duck season, FIRE! You're dispicable........... Long time since i saw that particular episode Originally by: Liu Kaskakka I think China and Japan should have a Monk vs Ninja duel to settle this matter. The winner gets the other ones rice.
Shalia Ripper Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.13 20:31:00 - [21] Originally by: DUFFMANX Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Mudkest bet it was his rabbit-hunting rifle Duck season, FIRE! You're dispicable........... Long time since i saw that particular episode pronoun trouble.
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2007.11.13 21:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 13/11/2007 08:02:14 ...you're not using enough. Luckily he had no right to bear nukes. I'm, Glad I'm in the UK, and the US has gun laws like it does, because these stories are so entertaining, just imaging at what we'd be missing if they copped on and 'banned' weapons in an urban environment.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.13 21:57:00 - [23] WD-40 is legal here. If I wanted to make a flame thrower I would jsut buy a $50 super soaker and attack a torch lighter to it :D Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.13 22:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? They sell WD-40 at every schucks, NAPA, and gas station where I live. Hell my dad has a couple 1 gallon containers of is. I would first reach for the WD-40 or torque wrench before grabbing my shotgun. Hell I would even resort to a welding torch before grabbing a shotgun. I would even take it to a mechanic before grabbing shotgun. Damn old fools. WD-40 is not quite the right tool for the jorb. For this you want PB. Yes, they are very similar: you could use PB to dry your distributor and WD to break your nuts. But since you carry both as part of your standard kit (what! you don't?!) why not use the right one? Proper sequence of attempts: Breaker bar Penetrant, wait 5 minutes. Breaker bar Stand on breaker bar Turn on compressor Apply impact gun If I still can't break the nut and wanted to go to heat I'd be sure to wipe down with acetone to clear off the penetrant. And be very patootin' careful using a torch on a mounted rim. And also because I'm sure you didn't drain the tank beforehand. I lost a Planetside mate to something similar. "Oh yeah, so-and-so, he won't be around for a while. He was torching the exhaust of his '72 'bird (who torches exhausts anymore? That's why we have sawzalls now.) and lit off the fuel line. Extra Crispy over 65% of his body." ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.13 22:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Sister Impotentata Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? They sell WD-40 at every schucks, NAPA, and gas station where I live. Hell my dad has a couple 1 gallon containers of is. I would first reach for the WD-40 or torque wrench before grabbing my shotgun. Hell I would even resort to a welding torch before grabbing a shotgun. I would even take it to a mechanic before grabbing shotgun. Damn old fools. WD-40 is not quite the right tool for the jorb. For this you want PB. Yes, they are very similar: you could use PB to dry your distributor and WD to break your nuts. But since you carry both as part of your standard kit (what! you don't?!) why not use the right one? Proper sequence of attempts: Breaker bar Penetrant, wait 5 minutes. Breaker bar Stand on breaker bar Turn on compressor Apply impact gun If I still can't break the nut and wanted to go to heat I'd be sure to wipe down with acetone to clear off the penetrant. And be very patootin' careful using a torch on a mounted rim. And also because I'm sure you didn't drain the tank beforehand. I lost a Planetside mate to something similar. "Oh yeah, so-and-so, he won't be around for a while. He was torching the exhaust of his '72 'bird (who torches exhausts anymore? That's why we have sawzalls now.) and lit off the fuel line. Extra Crispy over 65% of his body." Since when did fuel lines run by lugnuts. And there are plenty who weld exhausts. And the reason to be careful welding a mounted rim is not a fuel line, but the fact that you are heating the air within the tire. And WD works just fine. Helped me get my passenger side Brake Caliper off with the help of a torque wrench and 5lb bronze hammer. P.S. standing on a breaker bar is a no-no. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.13 22:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Since when did fuel lines run by lugnuts. Not on any car that I've ever worked on. But fumes are everywhere. Octane is flashable in the thousand ppm range. Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And there are plenty who weld exhausts. Putting them together, yes. Which requires a much lower torch than burning them apart. Disassembly of exhausts, in my neck of the woods, is generally done with a sawzall and dunnage to shim. Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And the reason to be careful welding a mounted rim is not a fuel line, but the fact that you are heating the air within the tire. I thought I implied that. I'll admit I have a tendency to ask my readers to read between the lines too much. Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And WD works just fine. Helped me get my passenger side Brake Caliper off with the help of a torque wrench and 5lb bronze hammer. Once again I thought I implied that while WD and PB were interchangable, they each had their particular strengths. If I could have only one in my kit, I admit it would be WD. (Actually I use 6-56, which is the same difference.) Originally by: Micheal Dietrich P.S. standing on a breaker bar is a no-no. Please discuss your opinions on this. Is this a safety consideration or a don't-overtorque-the-lug consideration? Please don't think I'm being forum-confrontational. You are providing intelligent discussion and I'm trying to do the same. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:08:00 - [27] The tank is sealed. If fumes were that bad then shops wouldn't have flammable objects in every corner. IF the fumes are really strong, then chances are you may have a leak. The only time I have ever heard of a tank being drained was if you were going to weld on the tank itself. Personally I've welded my rollbar on (only being careful in the forward corner by the fuel cap) and my muffler. I also light up a cigarrette as soon as I start my engine. I didn't see any mention of heating the air in tires but just to be careful. Most likely the same thing but I was assuming you were still on about the fuel line. WD and PB are similiar products, only difference being that WD has many more uses outside of vehicle repair. Like household and catfish bait. Standing on a breaker bar is a safety issue that was dug into my head during my 2 years of autotech and 1 year of autobody. Stand on a breaker bar in class and get a wrench thrown at you by the teacher. Simply put it's a easy way to break a leg or worse. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:10:00 - [28] Save yourself all this lug trouble and just buy a tracked engineering vehicle to cruise the town in; thats what I'm doing.
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? To many people are to easily amused. This is not a good thing when you are around double digit million dollar pieces of equipment.
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? They sell WD-40 at every schucks, NAPA, and gas station where I live. Hell my dad has a couple 1 gallon containers of is. I would first reach for the WD-40 or torque wrench before grabbing my shotgun. Hell I would even resort to a welding torch before grabbing a shotgun. I would even take it to a mechanic before grabbing shotgun. Damn old fools. It would never occur to me to use a shotgun to lossen a lugnut. I just don't understand how it could possible work. what was he trying to do, shoot it off? how was he planning to get it back on? I think he was just ****ed and lost his cool.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? They sell WD-40 at every schucks, NAPA, and gas station where I live. Hell my dad has a couple 1 gallon containers of is. I would first reach for the WD-40 or torque wrench before grabbing my shotgun. Hell I would even resort to a welding torch before grabbing a shotgun. I would even take it to a mechanic before grabbing shotgun. Damn old fools. It would never occur to me to use a shotgun to lossen a lugnut. I just don't understand how it could possible work. what was he trying to do, shoot it off? how was he planning to get it back on? I think he was just **ed and lost his cool. Its impossible for shot to *** a lug nut unless its rusted completely out, and even then, you'd do better wailing on it with a rock. Unless the shot is that new stainless steel crap that hunters are using, the lead would deform well before the nut felt the shock of the impact.
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.13 23:39:00 - [32] Edited by: Sister Impotentata on 13/11/2007 23:43:23 Originally by: Micheal Dietrich The tank is sealed... I'll admit I'm just a carpenter, I do my own auto work, but under the watchful eye of a more mechanically inclined friend. If you're confident with a torch I'll trust you. I've not done much torchwork so if I were to use a torch in such a case I'd probably be more careful than I need to be. WD is indeed the more versatile product. One technique that few are acquainted with: use WD to remove sticker gum. Whether it's a bud wanting to know how to get the sticker off his new snowboard, or your mum wanting to know how to get the sticker off her new pots, or me at age eleven watching grandpop scouring his good shoes in the sand to remove chewing gum. Try some WD on it. Works wonders. Break a leg on a breaker bar? You gotta screw up pretty bad to do that. I can see how you could manage it, but what I meant by "stand on breaker bar" would never have lead to that. Let us assume the driv-(are you in US or UK?) left side front tire. Five lug, nut towards the rear. In this case my left hand would be on the A-pillar, my right hand on the roof. I'd use my left foot on the breaker, bracing against my right foot positioned aftward of the B-pillar. A bit of hopping, and if she doesn't break... I'd ask guys more knowledgeable than me. Edit: to remove filtered word, which required me to rearrange my sentence and reduce its n-v-o impact. Lose. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:09:00 - [33] Never thought of WD for removing sticky substances. I used some goo gone or whatever the crap is called to remove my bumper stickers (and amazingly enough I haven't had a cop trail me for months now). But yeah the best way I've gone about loosening stiff bolts is with a short to moderate wrench and socket and a really heavy hammer and just tapping in one direction then the next while apllying WD every now n then until it comes loose. I've had one instance of the bolt head breaking off though which led to a little more unsavory work. I personally keep a star in my truck though in case I get a flat. With that I can fit it on the lug and grab the furthest side to pull up to me while I step on the closest side and that usually does the trick. I also keep a 2-ton jack and 2 supports in the truck too so I'm a little more braced than most drivers. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:42:00 - [34] Sounds to me like he was just really, really, **ed off at the nut more than anything, I seriously doubt he thought it would work, he probably just need some anger management lessons more than anything else. Originally by:** Odda hey im a gonnie and i like to sue CCP to gett the game to my favor
Gunny Fisher VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Elliot Reid Don't Americans have WD-40? probably banned in Washington state, for some enviromental reason. It was orginaly developed for the US Navy, but is now banned from all US Naval Ships and US Marine Facilities. To many people playing torch with a lighter it seems. Why on Earth does this not surprise me in the slightest? They sell WD-40 at every schucks, NAPA, and gas station where I live. Hell my dad has a couple 1 gallon containers of is. I would first reach for the WD-40 or torque wrench before grabbing my shotgun. Hell I would even resort to a welding torch before grabbing a shotgun. I would even take it to a mechanic before grabbing shotgun. Damn old fools. It would never occur to me to use a shotgun to lossen a lugnut. I just don't understand how it could possible work. what was he trying to do, shoot it off? how was he planning to get it back on? I think he was just **ed and lost his cool. Its impossible for shot to *** a lug nut unless its rusted completely out, and even then, you'd do better wailing on it with a rock. Unless the shot is that new stainless steel crap that hunters are using, the lead would deform well before the nut felt the shock of the impact. /facepalm 1. first off, steel shot is not new, it has been a requirement to shoot waterfowl in the US for as long as I can remember, and in England for longer than that. 2. Steel shot would not deform nearly as much, and thus would richocet quicker. F = M x A . Soft rounds that deform easy are requied for all non waterfowl hunting because they impart more kinetic energy on the target than say, a full metal jacket round, or worse yet, an armor piercing round. again, F = M x A 3. there is no 3, I am simply to floored that somebody would make a staement like you did.
NightHaunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.14 03:42:00 - [36] Pfft, he should have used a slug.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.11.14 06:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Gunny Fisher /facepalm 1. first off, steel shot is not new, it has been a requirement to shoot waterfowl in the US for as long as I can remember, and in England for longer than that. 2. Steel shot would not deform nearly as much, and thus would richocet quicker. F = M x A . Soft rounds that deform easy are requied for all non waterfowl hunting because they impart more kinetic energy on the target than say, a full metal jacket round, or worse yet, an armor piercing round. again, F = M x A 3. there is no 3, I am simply to floored that somebody would make a staement like you did. I'll try and be gentle, seeing as you obviously have no idea whom you are speaking to: 1. I'm Canadian, as hard as it must be for you as an American to understand, there is the internet outside of your country. Not only that, we have our own gaming laws, and up until about 3 - 4 years ago, steel shot was not a mandatory requirement for hunting water fowl. I doubt Canadian Fish and Game would actually take a knife to a shell to check the load in it, but the concept of having ones hunting equipment and mode of transportation confiscated seems incentive enough. And if memory serves me correctly, the only reason we are switching to non-lead based shot is because the stupid buggers are eating it thinking its gullet stone. 2. Once again, I shall take deep breathes in an attempt to hold back the ever knawing need for me to yell "I'M A ******* MECHANICAL ENGINEER, DO NOT TALK PHYSICS DOWN TO ME." Alright, from the beginning; deformation of one body agaisnt another via impaction results in a lose of kinetic energy in the structural change of the material. In laymans terms, it takes "effort" to make something change shape. This "effort" needs to be accounted for in the over energy balances, since nothing is free in life. THUS! Having one substance change shape or otherwise not act as a perfect, non-deformable body upon impaction results in loses. AS WELL, your mention of richocet being "quicker" is correct, but you are obviously confused about the impact of this on the outcome. By changing direction, acceleration is induced on the lug nut (as per the change in linear momentum of the shot). THEREFORE, as per everyones favourite equation F = Integral[u^2rhodA], where u is velocity, rho is density and dA is the infinitesmal portion of area interaction with the momentum change, we see that size of shot, density of metal of the shot and the velocity of the shot all bring about significant increases in the force applied. 3. Get off my physics, woman.

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