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Mrtankk
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Posted - 2007.11.14 23:50:00 -
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I just want to know what would be a safe training line atm. You seem hellbent on nerfing almost every aspect of the game. I personally think most of your ideas for the upcoming patch are really f-ing stupid, and you have gutted almost every single ship I fly.
So, Can you please give us a hint of what you ARENT nerfing? It would be easier to list that than all the nerfs you ARE doing. So, any advice? Im working on forum whine lvl 5 atm, but I am almost possitive that will get a nerf somehow also.
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Gericault m0id
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2007.11.15 00:30:00 -
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Shuttle I think is a safe bet.
Honestly, everything will be 'nerfed' sooner or later and people just find different uber-pwn setups. There is always a better setup - flying an 'uber' ship with 'uber' setup is not brilliant because clever enemies will predict setups and fit against it.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.15 00:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Mrtankk
I just want to know what would be a safe training line atm. You seem hellbent on nerfing almost every aspect of the game. I personally think most of your ideas for the upcoming patch are really f-ing stupid, and you have gutted almost every single ship I fly.
So, Can you please give us a hint of what you ARENT nerfing? It would be easier to list that than all the nerfs you ARE doing. So, any advice? Im working on forum whine lvl 5 atm, but I am almost possitive that will get a nerf somehow also.
Train Caldari, they've been getting buff after buff after buff.
Bellum Eternus
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.11.15 02:07:00 -
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Well, look on the boards: What do you see people complaining about constantly as sucking? Amarr. So play Amarr.
Or you could do what I do, which is to just train skills that let me play the way I want to play. Them being made slightly more or less effective isn't going to impact me all that much, because I'm doing what I enjoy.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 02:36:00 -
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Perhaps if you stopped training for the latest FoTM and just stuck with one race these nerfs wouldn't affect you as much.
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.11.15 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Well, look on the boards: What do you see people complaining about constantly as sucking? Amarr. So play Amarr.
Poor advice , Amarr keeps getting nerfed. Nos (ruined recons , the only really good amarr ships) and now tracking disruptors (nerfed along with damps , so that recons really can't use any ewar) not to mention the nerfed sensor boosters will ruin amarr snipers.
Train for Caldari , it's the safest bet. CCP value their forum too much to radically nerf them 
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.15 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Ulstan
Well, look on the boards: What do you see people complaining about constantly as sucking? Amarr. So play Amarr.
Poor advice , Amarr keeps getting nerfed. Nos (ruined recons , the only really good amarr ships) and now tracking disruptors (nerfed along with damps , so that recons really can't use any ewar) not to mention the nerfed sensor boosters will ruin amarr snipers.
Train for Caldari , it's the safest bet. CCP value their forum too much to radically nerf them
nos nerf boosted ammar.
with the highest cap they can use nuets very well and nos together.
bigger ships in the ammar fleet that had problems with cap now are immune to nos.
why?
because they always have lower cap due to weapon cap use.
this mean fitting a nos works for ammar still while not working for matar or caldari as well.
plus the added bonus to keeping the other guys cap at a max.
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Captain Agemman
Minmatar
Legio Ultra
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Posted - 2007.11.15 03:25:00 -
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Target Painters.
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T'Renn
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.15 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Perhaps if you stopped training for the latest FoTM and just stuck with one race these nerfs wouldn't affect you as much.
Unless you, you know, spent all your training time specializing in Gallente - then... well you're pretty much screwed here in a few.
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prathe
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.15 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Perhaps if you stopped training for the latest FoTM and just stuck with one race these nerfs wouldn't affect you as much.
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kattak4
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.15 06:47:00 -
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Minmatar. Or train up your industry skills.
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Uchuu
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.11.15 07:30:00 -
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mining, industry, trade, leadership, science, social
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.11.15 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gericault m0id
Shuttle I think is a safe bet.
Honestly, everything will be 'nerfed' sooner or later and people just find different uber-pwn setups. There is always a better setup - flying an 'uber' ship with 'uber' setup is not brilliant because clever enemies will predict setups and fit against it.
Sadly no, I remember something in the economic blog about them considering raising the price of shuttles since they act as a cap on low end mineral prices and they want a more player controlled economy.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.15 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Gericault m0id
Shuttle I think is a safe bet.
Honestly, everything will be 'nerfed' sooner or later and people just find different uber-pwn setups. There is always a better setup - flying an 'uber' ship with 'uber' setup is not brilliant because clever enemies will predict setups and fit against it.
Sadly no, I remember something in the economic blog about them considering raising the price of shuttles since they act as a cap on low end mineral prices and they want a more player controlled economy.
wait... like making them more expensive?
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: T'Renn
Originally by: Gamesguy
Perhaps if you stopped training for the latest FoTM and just stuck with one race these nerfs wouldn't affect you as much.
Unless you, you know, spent all your training time specializing in Gallente - then... well you're pretty much screwed here in a few.
You are? Best battleship: Megathron. Best gank CS: astarte, highest dps BC: brutix, best hac: nano-ishtar, highest dps hac: deimos, best tackler inty: ares(its a tossup with the stiletto), best AF: ishkur.
Trade your gallente SP for amarr and you will know what the term gimped really means.
And before you say it, I have one gallente specced char and one amarr specced char. The gallente char have worse support skills yet everything fits and flies so much easier than the amarr one.
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.11.15 09:24:00 -
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Think f the vagabond. Pretty nice ship ain't it?
Now duct-tape a sabre on it's back. -> Broadsword. Train that.
You can bubble. You can disrupt at 30k with infinite strengh at sick speeds. You can do quite decent damage. You can active shieldtank. You can speedtank at the same time.
It's the next broken ship. Will take CCP good 6 months before they fix it.
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Xeno Metamorph
Gallente
Domination.
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.11.15 09:53:00 -
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Best battleship: Megathron. Best gank CS: astarte, highest dps BC: brutix, best hac: nano-ishtar, highest dps hac: deimos, best tackler inty: ares(its a tossup with the stiletto), best AF: ishkur.
Lol...
Best Battleship range: Minmatar
Best All round CS: Nighthawk (debatable with Sleipnir).
Highest DPS BC: I thought was Myrmi, hence the nerf?
Highest DPS HAC: Deimos - yet nobody uses it?
Best Tackler Inty: Ares? It only has TWO MIDSLOTS?! woo.. i can jam them but they get away, oooh i can web them but they warp off, what good is that??
Best AF: Ishkur? No chance.. all AF's suck...
Thats all gallente are good for now, All out Gank, noticed a few other 'statistical' threads that point out, Gallente's tanks suck. Now we are having our gank taken away from us :| I'm not arguing that Amarr aren't worse off.. Hardly that Gallente are best off either...
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Xeno Metamorph
Lol...
Best Battleship range: Minmatar
Tempests have nice alphas, not so nice at 180km when theyre at falloff+optimal and the megathrons are stilla t optimal. Megas form the backbone of any sniper fleet.
And blasterthrons speak for themselves.
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Best All round CS: Nighthawk (debatable with Sleipnir).
Nighthawk.
Sleipnir only because you can nano it.
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Highest DPS BC: I thought was Myrmi, hence the nerf?
It WAS the myrmidon, now its the brutix post nerf.
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Highest DPS HAC: Deimos - yet nobody uses it?
Thank you admitting that the ishtar is probably the best hac.
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Best Tackler Inty: Ares? It only has TWO MIDSLOTS?! woo.. i can jam them but they get away, oooh i can web them but they warp off, what good is that??
Ares have 3 mids and 4 lows on sisi, its the fastest tackling inty(crusader is faster, but only 2 mids).
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Thats all gallente are good for now, All out Gank, noticed a few other 'statistical' threads that point out, Gallente's tanks suck. Now we are having our gank taken away from us :| I'm not arguing that Amarr aren't worse off.. Hardly that Gallente are best off either...
Gallente tank sucks? How do you figure that one, no other BS lends itself to as nice as a buffer tank as the megathron(abaddon can tank better, but does a lot less dps in addition to severe cap problems).
Hyperion/kronos both run excellent dual rep tanks.
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Xeno Metamorph
Gallente
Domination.
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.11.15 11:26:00 -
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Note to self: Get on SISI
Although, not all changes on Sisi are final :>
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Trass
Caldari
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2007.11.15 11:26:00 -
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Train Vagabond, that hac never will be nerfed because ccp love fast ships.
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Norjia Blacksteel
Gallente
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.15 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mrtankk
I just want to know what would be a safe training line atm. You seem hellbent on nerfing almost every aspect of the game. I personally think most of your ideas for the upcoming patch are really f-ing stupid, and you have gutted almost every single ship I fly.
So, Can you please give us a hint of what you ARENT nerfing? It would be easier to list that than all the nerfs you ARE doing. So, any advice? Im working on forum whine lvl 5 atm, but I am almost possitive that will get a nerf somehow also.
What a silly way to look at MMO skill choices. If you always target the latest imbalanced ship, of course they're going to nerf everything you fly. 
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Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:24:00 -
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Well, you could do what most people do when there isn't something really good waiting for you to train for - max your current skills...
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:59:00 -
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Aim for a Ferox, you should be on pretty safe ground there. 
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.11.15 17:05:00 -
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If all your skillpoints are in Gallente you can feel comfort in the fact that you pretty much have the absolute best selection of PvP ships available to you.
Seriously, gallente only pilots are so much better off for PvP than caldari or amarr only pilots.
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.15 18:35:00 -
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Just train for the 'weakest' ship right now, and get relatively good with it.
Then you'll be uber when they 'fix' it.
Also, quit crying.
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Loedem
Minmatar
Knockaround Guys
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Posted - 2007.11.15 18:52:00 -
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I've always felt it's pretty obvious that each race in this game has different levels of returns on racial speccing. It just depends on how you specialize and how far you're willing to invest in the ships the race has to offer.
For example, Caldari is probably one of the easiest PVP races to become formidable with at the start...but given more time and SPs, Caldari tends to fall behind the other races. A low SP minmatar pilot would normally get chewed to pieces by a caldari pilot of the same SP...but add 30mil sps to that and the tables turn.
That's just an example in my head though, I'm sure someone could really analyze it and come up with a series of pros and cons depending on the SP investment you put into your ships.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:45:00 -
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Mining.
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