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Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Veng3ance To bad all that money you gave CCP went to upgrading the hardware. We only needed the extra hardware because of your stupid blobs. You're absolutely right, what this game needs is less players and less fleet battles. That way the servers will never need to be updated and people can do 1v1s for ratting rights in whatever system they feel like using. I like where you're going with this, can I subscribe to your newsletter and/or blog? _______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last is usually the one the joke was about.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:19:00 - [32] Nice propaganda. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Scavok snip Image removed - Valorem That sir, is one beautiful snipe. _______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last is usually the one the joke was about.
Kaaii Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:20:00 - [34] You didn't want those accounts anyway.... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:22:00 - [35] Technically, it doesn't matter what we write here, the core Sir Molle supporters will either visit the site or post it to Eve-O. Every time a story about Sir Molle is written, his core supporters go berserk sharing it all over the internet. Sir Molle wins strawpoll, Sir Molle had two bowel movements today... Sir Molle Makes Chowdown Look Stupid (ok, you caught me, that one is fake, Chowdown doesn't need Sir Molle's help to look stupid). The other side will pass over Sir Molle stories or go to another site. But this time, stick with us for a moment see what the fuss is all about. Why is Sir Molle getting so much attention on the internet, and so little traditional media coverage? Is there anything to it, or is Sir Molle simply the first Ross Perot of the internet generation? Does Molle have any legitimate chance of doing well in the upcoming primaries and forcing his way onto the scene? He has, after all, been stiffed over and over by the mainstream press when it comes to debates and inclusion as a serious candidate. While we are on the subject, why hasn't DBP gotten more support on the internet? After all, DBP is similar to Sir Molle in that he is viewed as a Eve outsider, not a part of the mainstream political game, and his platform seems to reflect logical ideas, not the puppetry of lobbyists. Perhaps DBP's exclusion is for a couple of reasons. First, despite how advanced and mature we want to think our society is, and that we do not judge people on looks, DBP is slightly goofy looking. Whereas Sir Molle looks normal, DBP looks like the high school nerds we all remember, but all grown up with a killer job. Second, DBP is a BoB, and no matter how much people hate Mittani, they still have to agree that the BoB party is a complete shambles these days. The BoB's refuse to stand up to the most corrupt and ripe for picking politician in the history of human civilization. It's not surprising they can't organize a well run campaign, be it for DaFuzz, Sir Molle, or DBP. The difference between Sir Molle and DBP is that the Sir Molle has been more vocal in condemning Mittani and in presenting his own plans for what he would do as Overlord. Sir Molle also is a EVOL, and while the EVOLs are much hated these days, they are still better organized than the mess that is the BoB party. Sir Molle has seized the internet as an opportunity to reach the masses of people he can't reach with his very limited campaign budget. Using the internet to spread the word for any candidate is intelligent, not something to ridicule. The cost to reach millions of people on the internet is virtually pennies, or less, compared to hundreds of thousands of dollars to run a single TV commercial in prime time. If you were campaigning, which would you prefer? But does he have a real chance? Actually, yes, Sir Molle may have a chance in the primaries. Voters are obviously ****ed at both Mittani and Goons. Their approval ratings have never been lower. The CEO's approval rating has dropped to 24%. Goon hangs at an even lower 11%. Both are easy to explain. Mittani has taken the country and run it into the ground with an administration full of open corruption and daily brazen moves meant to fill the pockets of the elite at the cost of the rest of the world. Goons have stood by and allowed all of this to happen, and after the BoBs seized control last November they haven't done a single thing. Both parties seem to think that being a politician these days is the equivalent of being Paris Hilton - all sound bytes and smooth looks for the press, yet never accomplish a damn thing in real life. SIR MOLLE 2008
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:23:00 - [36] My opinion: I believe that each and every player in the game can contribute something useful to the community. The more players in your faction, the more impact you can make. How you choose to impact the game is entirely up to you, and the faction you represent. Way back when, BoB leadership made a concerted effort to provide fun player driven content for its members and friends and foes alike. We wanted to have the best equipment, the best players, the best space, which means the best of everything we could. Plans both for the short term and long term were hatched and agreed to, and away things went. There came a time that we couldn't pay people to fight us. We tried. During this time, the forum smack started. You had to basically cajole people into shooting you. Any issue was exploited to the nth degree for politics sake, much like what you see happening now on a larger scale, when the goons bring up the past with their mantras regarding some of the higher profile posters of old, and some significant events I don't particularly care to re-hash in this forum. Then some incidences happened that cast what had originally been somewhat of a moral high ground (looking for fights and providing player driven content) into a wasteland of emotions. The hate started to spread, both from within and without. (I should note here that some of the crap that happened within BoB that was widely publicized and criticized angered the majority of BoB as well as the rest of the community). Then, some RL insults and other assorted personal attacks started happening, ostensibly because of culture differences and the fact that not much else worked towards divide and conquer, which is a classic tactic to win hearts and minds. Eve was becoming a much larger fishbowl with differing cultures and backgrounds behind the keyboards than it was before. The game to me was becoming easier, as isk and necessary resources were more easily gathered than in the beginning, even those of us who played in Beta. These insults and attacks offended many game-wide, and polarized the community on both sides of the coin. For better or worse, the political landscape was sure to change. Frigates could take down Battleships. That was a WHOA moment for sure. Newer players could come into the game, and make a positive difference for their chosen faction, when it used to be you really needed to work your way up from the bottom, as no one else had much to share with newer players. ******** I know I didn't address your points to the letter Roy, but...my Molle-issued kickboxing supermodel just strode into the room without clothing. But I will say this, you could as a person said above put "BoB" in the place of "Goonswarm" and the similarities would be striking. -Dfz -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:25:00 - [37] i didnt read all cause im an idiot, but to be honest its good to have a "power balance". now we have 4 or 5 of those "uberblocks" and it makes things interesting. even bob side seems to be fun now, its no longer a caterpillar crushing everything, but real battles and we can wooo and waahh seeing the battlereports. but i cant wait to see the reports tri vs bob tbfh :p i loaded fraps for that day :D ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Shpuntik Minmatar Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:31:00 - [38] Edited by: Shpuntik on 16/11/2007 18:33:53 last i checked bob were still playing and haven't been defeated but infact pulling out of feyth to get a better battle position. Also when these new ships come out i think goons will be needing there friends but then again why should there friends help if goons are going to take all the credit. I really hope that when BOB are done and dusted that for goons sake that everybody doesn't turn against them because right now alot more people are seeing goons turn out like what BOB was meant to be. PS. i like bob just as much as goons so I am on neither side. Also like Yu not to be ungreatful but thanx goons for saving eve.....for now.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:34:00 - [39] Originally by: Shpuntik last i checked bob were still playing and haven't been defeated but infact pulling out of feyth to get a better battle position. Also when these new ships come out i think goons will be needing there friends but then again why should there friends help if goons are going to take all the credit. I really hope that when BOB are done and dusted that for goons sake that everybody doesn't turn against them because right now alot more people are seeing goons turn out like what BOB was meant to be. PS. i like bob just as much as goons so I am on neither side. you and arghy should hook up
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk wipes away a tear "taking his friendÆs titan, leaving him without his most fun object in the entire game." Heartrending. Where's Pilk?
Jem Ysanna Black Horizon Ltd	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Splagada i didnt read all cause im an idiot, but to be honest its good to have a "power balance". now we have 4 or 5 of those "uberblocks" and it makes things interesting. even bob side seems to be fun now, its no longer a caterpillar crushing everything, but real battles and we can wooo and waahh seeing the battlereports. but i cant wait to see the reports tri vs bob tbfh :p i loaded fraps for that day :D Yes, you are an idiot. If you dont read, stop posting.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:38:00 - [42] anyone playing a 'poor bob ;_;' card better hope that people have some very short memories
Shpuntik Minmatar Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:39:00 - [43] as said before shrike should be banned from supercaps i think after 2 losses it would of been clear enough but indeed altho it was sad to take it I guess end of day BOB as a alliance would of paid for it not like they would miss one anyway lol
Kortalis Hellion Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:42:00 - [44] shrike didn't want those titans anyways
Shmachura 0.1 Corp	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Scavok snip Image removed - Valorem Please do not discuss moderation on the forums. Mail us at [email protected]
Aves Jazz Associates R i s e	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:44:00 - [46] Poast what you want, but the fact remains you've so badly damaged your imago with your abuse that you will become a universal target before you know it. Even BoB has not misbehaved as badly as you have, and as such Goonswarm is one of the reasons we 'switched sides' over a year ago, to 'save' EVE from the 'greater evil'. I (obviously) learned more about BoB since then, which confirmed (like it or not) that they are a respectable roleplaying organisation within the game. I like things balanced (and peaceful even) and have fun doing whatever I like doing in this game. Personally I will always keep an eye out for those that hold the power to ruin my fun playing this game, and will try to stand against them. Yes, before goonswarm we stood against BoB. But their offer and the rent we paid was really a small fee on individual scale to get a chance for all parties to do what they enjoy doing in this game. I enjoy the game for what it is, a 'geeky' online spacesimulator, not for ego boosting... but everyone his own, is my motto - as long as you don't intentionally cause unneeded grief to other players. Goonswarm and their members have crossed that line in every way possible. If you think we felt oppressed by BoB and that you somehow saved EVE, you are dead wrong, and are likely taking the game too serious. It was a business agreement we made for the rental of an extremely rich area in EVE. However, Logistically it was a real pain, and in that regard I'm not too sad about leaving Feythabolis. Also, I would point out your history with other games. I do get goons. disclaimer: this post is a personal statement and does not nessecarily represent RISE.
Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:45:00 - [47] Originally by: Shpuntik last i checked bob were still playing and haven't been defeated but infact pulling out of feyth to get a better battle position. Also when these new ships come out i think goons will be needing there friends but then again why should there friends help if goons are going to take all the credit. I really hope that when BOB are done and dusted that for goons sake that everybody doesn't turn against them because right now alot more people are seeing goons turn out like what BOB was meant to be. PS. i like bob just as much as goons so I am on neither side. Your post has everything, I just don't know where to start. I guess I'll shorten it up by asking this question: Where exactly does he say BoB were defeated? I can see where it might be hard to read through the tears of outrage, but you should probably try to address the topic at hand instead of going off on a completely off topic tangent. Also, if you take the time to proofread and possibly correct even a small amount of the grammatical and spelling errors in your posts, you'll sound a lot less like a raving lunatic and more like a reasonable human being who has something worthwhile to contribute to the discussion. As it stands, you sound like a deluded idiot who has some kind of agenda he's trying to push regardless of what anyone else says. Lastly, even though this is possibly the most off topic part of your post; you're extremely deluded when it comes to the overall SP level of goons if you think there won't be a large number of us flying the 'new ships' as you so aptly called them. Keep holding out hope though buddy, things have to start looking up soon. Maybe you can form some kind of bandwagon and steamroll the goons on the eastern front when we're busy in the west, anything is possible when you put your mind to it. Anyway, happy ranting; don't let things like logic get in the way of lying to yourself. _______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last is usually the one the joke was about.
Kaaii Caldari Kaaii-Net Research Labs	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Moctobot anyone playing a 'poor bob ;_;' card better hope that people have some very short memories ...will certainly be the only thing that saves you guys... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 18:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Shpuntik Edited by: Shpuntik on 16/11/2007 18:33:53 last i checked bob were still playing and haven't been defeated but infact pulling out of feyth, esoteria, and period basis... fixed
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:00:00 - [50] those who do not adapt become victims, like evolution
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:03:00 - [51] Thanks Goons! <3 Wherever you go... There you are... Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Vladimir Antlerkov I for one welcome our new DEREK overlords. Your new overlord asks you 50m per corp per month. Welcome. 2isk
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:12:00 - [53] Remember, remember the ides of November, The Goatse Treason and Plot, I know of no reason Why Goatse Treason Should ever be forgot. --- [18:47:59] CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar > be safe.. enjoy killing some D2
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:17:00 - [54] Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:17:34 I'm not going to comment one way or the other regarding whether or not Goons have saved EVE. I will say this: Whatever you've done does not excuse most of you guys being d**ks. Though, you seem to have a single mod dedicated to following you around and locking/snipping your posts and threads... so you at least have helped by ensuring that he has a job and can put food (and beer) on the table. I never really liked Bob. I was a northern resident for most of my eve life, and BoB was the big bad boogyman down south. But seeing what Goons has become, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with any BoB pilot and fight you with every last ISK in my wallet, charge in my railgun and ship in my hanger. Now Recruiting. Click sig for details!
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:17:34 I will say this: Whatever you've done does not excuse most of you guys being d**ks. you realize theres like 5000 people in GS, and like less than 100 goons post on eve o forums
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:22:00 - [56] Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 16/11/2007 19:24:11 I won't make the usual "i'm not my alliance leadership. You see what i mean. Originally by: Dafuzz My opinion: I believe that each and every player in the game can contribute something useful to the community. The more players in your faction, the more impact you can make. How you choose to impact the game is entirely up to you, and the faction you represent. Way back when, BoB leadership made a concerted effort to provide fun player driven content for its members and friends and foes alike. We wanted to have the best equipment, the best players, the best space, which means the best of everything we could. Plans both for the short term and long term were hatched and agreed to, and away things went. There is no "best region" is Eve. Your alliance came to the (best) conclusion that having the "best region" is conquering all regions. How could you even think a microsecond TCF would agree with that ? (cf all the "Hi TCF you can live, join us" or "Hi IAC, you can live, join us" or anything like this. "We live without your help, thank you very much for your concern", I think that was our lead's conclusion). Originally by: Dafuzz There came a time that we couldn't pay people to fight us. We tried. During this time, the forum smack started. You had to basically cajole people into shooting you. Any issue was exploited to the nth degree for politics sake, much like what you see happening now on a larger scale, when the goons bring up the past with their mantras regarding some of the higher profile posters of old, and some significant events I don't particularly care to re-hash in this forum. Then some incidences happened that cast what had originally been somewhat of a moral high ground (looking for fights and providing player driven content) into a wasteland of emotions. The hate started to spread, both from within and without. (I should note here that some of the crap that happened within BoB that was widely publicized and criticized angered the majority of BoB as well as the rest of the community). I'm not saying this block was right, or this block was wrong. I just think it's childish, and the (Bob) person in charge let this happen. I honnestly think "let's try". Originally by: Dafuzz Then, some RL insults and other assorted personal attacks started happening, ostensibly because of culture differences and the fact that not much else worked towards divide and conquer, which is a classic tactic to win hearts and minds. My alliance is allied with a block that made (anf make) metagaming. We are fighting against an alliance that made (ande make) metagaming. Metagmaing is a very bad part of the game and I think TCF let this to ones who want to play the game like this. TCF's goal are really simple. Really. "Let's make us a name". No. "A Name". Alltogether. I think you can picture us as a japaneese ronin. I think most of us respect any opponent we had and we'll have. Like Bob, for example. We don't like your metagaming, and it's challenging to fight Bob (now we began to transforms into Goon, let's say "erase Bob"), known as the best. PS : About the "Goon = next Bob" statement, I'm not really sure of what you want to picture there. We are creative people. The Alliance is not. Who evolves ? Childs become adults. Adults become old men. 2isk
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:17:34 I will say this: Whatever you've done does not excuse most of you guys being d**ks. you realize theres like 5000 people in GS, and like less than 100 goons post on eve o forums Are you saying the rest of you are functional illiterate? Dr Kojak
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:23:00 - [58] Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:23:58 Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:17:34 I will say this: Whatever you've done does not excuse most of you guys being d**ks. you realize theres like 5000 people in GS, and like less than 100 goons post on eve o forums Those 4900 other people should muzzle that group of 100, because they are dragging your name through the mud. Don't let such a small group tarnish the whole. Now Recruiting. Click sig for details!
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Dr Kojak Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:17:34 I will say this: Whatever you've done does not excuse most of you guys being d**ks. you realize theres like 5000 people in GS, and like less than 100 goons post on eve o forums Are you saying the rest of you are functional illiterate? Dr Kojak yes
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:26:00 - [60] Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:23:58 Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Edited by: Paddlefoot Aeon on 16/11/2007 19:17:34 I will say this: Whatever you've done does not excuse most of you guys being d**ks. you realize theres like 5000 people in GS, and like less than 100 goons post on eve o forums Those 4900 other people should muzzle that group of 100, because they are dragging your name through the mud. Don't let such a small group tarnish the whole. Just grab the CAOD filter and filter the Goons, then. It's not that difficult. 2isk

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