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Aki Yamato	Posted - 2007.11.18 00:32:00 - [1] Time spend in eve: Curent state: Boring money making <<===\|\|==============>> FUN (PVP) Well I ment to say that for high SP char witch shoud burn T2 fited BSs is quite big portion of time spend in EVE filled with annihilation of dreadful pirates, conquering tritanium from mighty asteroids or other 'funny' money making activities, to fill hagars with Ships and Gunzz. I'm not saying it's completely bad, nothing should be for free (like in WOW), but EVE is bit hard with its "Sandbox" Proposed state: Boring money making <<======\|\|===========>> FUN (Pew pew) What I like to see is move slider more towards PVP, so we can afford more Ships and Guns (more guns more pew pew) for same time spend with money making. I don't know how to do it (it's devs job :) but it could increase number of PVP encounters since people would be a less feared of loosing theirs ships. Of course it should be done very decently to avoid second extreme like SISi of WOW :) IMHO BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Alanee'a Unakarakta	Posted - 2007.11.18 00:37:00 - [2] thats all dependable of the group you hang with. and some might actually like more isk-manufacturing than pew pew And the boring stuff eliminates adhd. eve has it, you just have to find it. ------------------ - - - -_^ send me eve-related links, and make ISK'ies @ http://personal.inet.fi/perhe/vakivalta/unakarakta/
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.18 00:38:00 - [3] Current State: Fun Money Making <<=\|\|===================>> Fun Other Activities State when I have sufficient wealth built up: Fun Money Making <<=============\|\|=======>> Fun Other Activities pwnt - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.18 00:45:00 - [4] Depends where you are and how you make money. Somehow Alliances field 200+ ship gangs (many, many of which are cap ships) with pretty regular frequency. If you are solo mining/ratting for your cash then yeah...will take a bit of grinding. But I think it is clear, if anything, it is already too easy to make money (and not lose it via insurance) such that some of the worry over losing a ship has gone out of the game. Go back three years or so when there were no mining barges, no T2 and see what it took to get so much as 1 battleship (literally was 2+ weeks of work). Now you can earn enough for a battleship in a day or two of missioning.
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2007.11.18 01:02:00 - [5] I was 0.0 mission runner, pirate implants and so but recently i have discovered GTC2ISK. Yea big alliances.. big alliances have ISK printing machines (read BPO), so it's not a problem to field large ammount of ships. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Adunh Slavy KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.18 01:20:00 - [6] We need fewer reasons to blob I think, and/or make blobs less viable. If you could go out and pew the pew with 200,000 ISK ship and not have to worry about some enourmous blob at every turn, more people might be running around just for kicks in cheap little ships. It happens, but not like it once did. T1 frigs are great fun, but they don't stand up to the monster very well. -AS The Real Space Initiative (Forum Link)
Firkragg Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.18 02:03:00 - [7] Prices are dropping all over and there are now lots more new and itneresting ways to make isk quickly. Also with the new patch removing from of the randomness from invnetion and boosting some of the tools you will start seeing a possible small drop in t2 prices again which would as always be ncie. tbh what people need to do now is find a way to lower rig costs since rigs are cool.
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.11.18 07:25:00 - [8] I think the problem is that even as you slide to PvP, unless you just roving gank, its more like a job now with how POS's work, blobs, and awful lag.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.18 07:54:00 - [9] Yes. PvP is too much like a job. Somewhere the fun went away and didn't come back. :( Give us an arena to fight in and blow each other up in! Give us the ability to flag to people mutually for fights! It would work! It would be great! All the solo people who wanted a fight could show up in system X on any given day and get a fight with random person Y. Instead of random persons X and Y traversing through 35 systems for 6 hours looking for a random encounter that ends in getting blown up in a gatecamp...or ends up with nothing happening at all. The lowsec and 0.0 inhabitants have turned into carebears afraid to lose their ships, so please...ignore their whining about their need to blob and give us an infrastructure to fight other people 1v1. An arena even! =) Gladiator should be a profession in Eve.
Hennry Fromer Gallente radiated space gerbils	Posted - 2007.11.18 08:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Curzon Dax Yes. PvP is too much like a job. Somewhere the fun went away and didn't come back. :( Give us an arena to fight in and blow each other up in! Give us the ability to flag to people mutually for fights! It would work! It would be great! All the solo people who wanted a fight could show up in system X on any given day and get a fight with random person Y. Instead of random persons X and Y traversing through 35 systems for 6 hours looking for a random encounter that ends in getting blown up in a gatecamp...or ends up with nothing happening at all. The lowsec and 0.0 inhabitants have turned into carebears afraid to lose their ships, so please...ignore their whining about their need to blob and give us an infrastructure to fight other people 1v1. An arena even! =) Gladiator should be a profession in Eve. I wonder if it would be worth putting together a bracketed fight ladder, would be a lot of work but may be interesting. set sp and/or team brackets and schedule twice weekly event nights (one for each side of the globe). now where did i put that twl mod for the forums
VinnyTheBull Minmatar The Mavericks Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.18 08:13:00 - [11] Yeah this game has a big grind for isk. I hate it how all the fanboys of this game pretend there is no grind just because you don't have to grind for your skills. They say d00de no grind thats w0w n00b!1. In this game you grind just as much as any other MMO. Of course the fanboys will disagree with me and tell me d00de go play w0w. Those of us without our heads stuck up our asses will agree. The only fun way to make isk in this game is pirating. Everything else is boring.
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.18 08:35:00 - [12] ccp should add bounties to player ships after all, all the outer regions from empire are not policed and therefore illegal/chaotic concord wants all these alliances dead and is willing to pay them to kill each other the bounty could even be a penalty fee off of the insurance the victim was to collect after all, insurance was meant to compensate natural disasters/space anomalies... come on, it can work
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.11.18 08:38:00 - [13] more ships are being blown up today than ever before, ccp knows this is related to the deflation of t2 and minerals while some people will ask for inflation because they're sitting on fat wallets and wish for an advantage over their adversaries, ccp knows better
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.11.18 09:40:00 - [14] Right now I'm here: having fun making moneys <<=\|\|===================>> having fun pvping When I have time to play more actively I'll be here: having fun making moneys <<================\|\|====>> having fun pvping The economic report shows that overall players have become richer due to T2 equipment and ships dropping considerably in price and new ISK making ways opening up like invention, so the balance for many 1+ year old players should have already shifted a bit to the right. For those players who absolutely hate the grind there is also the option of paying extra cash each month. For every $15 that you pay on top of subscription you can save 6-20 hours of grind per month if you're typically making 30-10 mil ISK per hour. guide to game time codes
Jennai Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.18 11:05:00 - [15] why do people complain about isk grind when you can make a production/research alt and fund your pvp habit with 10 minutes a day?
maCH'EttE Veto.	Posted - 2007.11.18 11:07:00 - [16] Lose fewer ships? Anyway, yeah... If you can't make enough money from PVP, an Industrial Alt is your bestest friend. Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD) I got pwned!
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2007.11.18 16:32:00 - [17] Quote: why do people complain about isk grind when you can make a production/research alt and fund your pvp habit with 10 minutes a day? Becose I'm not interested in some industrial .... thing. Actually i have an industrial pilot but she was barinwashed and she will be a carryer pilot. Quote: Anyway, yeah... If you can't make enough money from PVP, an Industrial Alt is your bestest friend. Why should I be forced to have an industrial alt ? No one of all these industrialist decaying in empire are not forced to have an PVP alt to do their bussines. Why should be it vice versa ? Quote: Lose fewer ships? Not really, no. I can't help myself but UO was best for living from PVP, from each killed oponent was everything you need, so virtually it was nessecary to stay one kill ahed of your deaths. And if something goes really wrong one visit in dungeon fix it all... few bladespirits between dung raiders But here is a hope ... faction warfare BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.18 16:38:00 - [18] I float between 100-200 mil on average, with money in assets. My time looks like: Boring administration tasks <<============\|\|=========>> Killing farmers. But a more proper breakdown of my poorness vs fun: Money entering wallet <<=================\|\|===>> Ruing Farmers' days Join Macrointel!
Matsui Hideki	Posted - 2007.11.18 16:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Aki Yamato Quote: why do people complain about isk grind when you can make a production/research alt and fund your pvp habit with 10 minutes a day? Becose I'm not interested in some industrial .... thing. Actually i have an industrial pilot but she was barinwashed and she will be a carryer pilot. Quote: Anyway, yeah... If you can't make enough money from PVP, an Industrial Alt is your bestest friend. Why should I be forced to have an industrial alt ? No one of all these industrialist decaying in empire are not forced to have an PVP alt to do their bussines. Why should be it vice versa ? Quote: Lose fewer ships? Not really, no. I can't help myself but UO was best for living from PVP, from each killed oponent was everything you need, so virtually it was nessecary to stay one kill ahed of your deaths. And if something goes really wrong one visit in dungeon fix it all... few bladespirits between dung raiders But here is a hope ... faction warfare You might as well quit the game and go back to WoW.
Aki Yamato	Posted - 2007.11.18 17:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Aki Yamato on 18/11/2007 17:01:11 Originally by: Matsui Hideki You might as well quit the game and go back to WoW. Quote: Of course the fanboys will disagree with me and tell me d00de go play w0w. BIG GUN BIG FUTURE
Matsui Hideki	Posted - 2007.11.18 17:14:00 - [21] Originally by: Aki Yamato Edited by: Aki Yamato on 18/11/2007 17:01:11 Originally by: Matsui Hideki You might as well quit the game and go back to WoW. Quote: Of course the fanboys will disagree with me and tell me d00de go play w0w. Your point? If you don't like doing some industrial stuff to make money and just want to pvp, buy GTCs and sell them. You can also suicide gank for ISKies too. If you like to whine and moan about the game, you might as well go back to WoW where money doesn't matter and you can pvp to your heart's content.
mantium	Posted - 2007.11.18 17:20:00 - [22] Edited by: mantium on 18/11/2007 17:22:50 Edited by: mantium on 18/11/2007 17:21:54 Originally by: Aki Yamato Quote: Alot of mindless blabbering and brainless rant Well now youre not to bright are you? No offense here, Ill try to break it down easy. You pvp? If so you need ship. Ship needs minerals. and Ore contains minerals. Do you mine? No you have to buy it from a miner (industrial oriented person who spends parts of his day to mine) Now we have established that you need to Pay for minerals. Ok, now we take it one step further, as you cannot ride or fit a stack of tritanium. Someone will have to build you that ship. Let us return to this miner because he just happens to have 20 Armageddon bpos so he will gladly build it for you. Well then we have established that he actually used his minerals to build ships. Its rather simple really, youre sucky pvp funds our gtc and then some. Because no matter how good people are at pvp. Someone have to loose, thats the whole point of it. and when they loose industrialists sell them new ships. Profit And dont think industrialist dont have a pvp alt. How are we else gonna stand up to people who think they can live out on wardeccing empire corps? Just do what everyone else do. Suicide gank in jita. or make 10 threads saying ccp change the game. im not making enough cash having fun elevenoneone1!oneeleven
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.18 17:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Snake Doctor on 18/11/2007 17:29:00 Originally by: mantium Edited by: mantium on 18/11/2007 17:22:50 Edited by: mantium on 18/11/2007 17:21:54 Originally by: Aki Yamato Quote: Alot of mindless blabbering and brainless rant Well now youre not to bright are you? No offense here, Ill try to break it down easy. You pvp? If so you need ship. Ship needs minerals. and Ore contains minerals. Do you mine? No you have to buy it from a miner (industrial oriented person who spends parts of his day to mine) Now we have established that you need to Pay for minerals. Ok, now we take it one step further, as you cannot ride or fit a stack of tritanium. Someone will have to build you that ship. Let us return to this miner because he just happens to have 20 Armageddon bpos so he will gladly build it for you. Well then we have established that he actually used his minerals to build ships. Its rather simple really, youre sucky pvp funds our gtc and then some. Because no matter how good people are at pvp. Someone have to loose, thats the whole point of it. and when they loose industrialists sell them new ships. Profit And dont think industrialist dont have a pvp alt. How are we else gonna stand up to people who think they can live out on wardeccing empire corps? Just do what everyone else do. Suicide gank in jita. or make 10 threads saying ccp change the game. im not making enough cash having fun elevenoneone1!oneeleven Way to be a real jerk about someone else being a jerk. You should get a Gold Star. Sarcasm and constructive criticism is one thing, being a douchebag is another. It's posts like yours that start flame wars by namecalling, then it's people like you that complain about flame wars. And you're has an apostrophe, and youre should be your. So there. Edit: also clean up your quote tags. GRR!! Join Macrointel!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.18 17:48:00 - [24] Originally by: VinnyTheBull Yeah this game has a big grind for isk. I hate it how all the fanboys of this game pretend there is no grind just because you don't have to grind for your skills. They say d00de no grind thats w0w n00b!1. In this game you grind just as much as any other MMO. Of course the fanboys will disagree with me and tell me d00de go play w0w. Those of us without our heads stuck up our asses will agree. The only fun way to make isk in this game is pirating. Everything else is boring. I hope this is a troll post for your sake. Otherwise you are among the dumbest people on this forum. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Aki Yamato Time spend in eve: Curent state: Boring money making <<===\|\|==============>> FUN (PVP) Well I ment to say that for high SP char witch shoud burn T2 fited BSs is quite big portion of time spend in EVE filled with annihilation of dreadful pirates, conquering tritanium from mighty asteroids or other 'funny' money making activities, to fill hagars with Ships and Gunzz. I'm not saying it's completely bad, nothing should be for free (like in WOW), but EVE is bit hard with its "Sandbox" Proposed state: Boring money making <<======\|\|===========>> FUN (Pew pew) What I like to see is move slider more towards PVP, so we can afford more Ships and Guns (more guns more pew pew) for same time spend with money making. I don't know how to do it (it's devs job :) but it could increase number of PVP encounters since people would be a less feared of loosing theirs ships. Of course it should be done very decently to avoid second extreme like SISi of WOW :) IMHO fly only what you can afford with time money making gets easier but you dont go around flying a personally payed for carrier for no work ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Fad3dlight	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Snake Doctor Way to be a real jerk about someone else being a jerk. You should get a Gold Star. Sarcasm and constructive criticism is one thing, being a douchebag is another. It's posts like yours that start flame wars by namecalling, then it's people like you that complain about flame wars. And you're has an apostrophe, and youre should be your. So there. Edit: also clean up your quote tags. GRR!! Hmmm well you are possibly right. Sorry, was somewhat out of boundaries there. Point is, most people have a pvp and a industry char. Atleast most people I know. And why would it be unfair that industrialists make more isk? Why not adapt? You had the choice when you made a character. You also have a option wich is to adapt, do some suicide ganking or pvp with what you can afford to loose. Wich quote tags did you mean?
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Fad3dlight Originally by: Snake Doctor Way to be a real jerk about someone else being a jerk. You should get a Gold Star. Sarcasm and constructive criticism is one thing, being a douchebag is another. It's posts like yours that start flame wars by namecalling, then it's people like you that complain about flame wars. And you're has an apostrophe, and youre should be your. So there. Edit: also clean up your quote tags. GRR!! Hmmm well you are possibly right. Sorry, was somewhat out of boundaries there. Point is, most people have a pvp and a industry char. Atleast most people I know. And why would it be unfair that industrialists make more isk? Why not adapt? You had the choice when you made a character. You also have a option wich is to adapt, do some suicide ganking or pvp with what you can afford to loose. Wich quote tags did you mean? As in real life, everything in eve is profitable. The amount of money you make in your profession is dependent on how GOOD YOU ARE AT IT. Nothing to do with the profession itself. Most would assume that hunting farmers is an isk sink, but in the last few months, I've probably gained and lost an average of a billion or so isk on both characters. Also- there was this Thanatos I managed to misplace. It wasn't full of fighters or anything, but it's still a carrier... Join Macrointel!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:53:00 - [28] How come there's no basic /pvp flag? I'd have a ton more fun in empire if I could run around effectively a wartarget to everyone when I felt like it. CCP claims they want people to move out in to 0.0 and pvp, but they only take the most ineffectual steps to make it a reality. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Snake Doctor Also- there was this Thanatos I managed to misplace. Did you check behind the sofa? - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.18 19:58:00 - [30] TBH, except in certain areas where there's a gentlemen's agreement of no POS warfare, I think it's more like: Boring and frustrating blob and POS warfare <<=====\|\|=====================>> Fun PvP -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"

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