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Vakari Salvatori	Posted - 2007.11.20 01:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Vakari Salvatori on 20/11/2007 01:48:53 Okay so I'm a long-time HAC veteran pilot. Yes, this is an alt, since I'm rather embarassed to be a PvP pilot who needs help running missions. As a low-sec pilot I really appreciated the considerably higher agility that HACs had in comparison to battleships, while they could still dish out near-battleship DPS. Thus I went straight from BCs to HACs. I never really got into the role of flying a battleships, since in small-gang warfare they're always the first to die when you get blobbed (or in fleet warfare, your personal survival comes down to whether you're unlucky enough to get alpha-striked), so I never really flew them or developed the personal experience on how to fly one properly. However in my HAC many level four missions seem to be going fairly slow, and since battleships have more powerful weaponry it stands to reason missions will go faster, right? After running the numbers in EVEFit, the results of potential level four mission ships I can currently fly are as follows: Originally by: "Cerberus" Defense Rating: 490 Points Permatanked Firepower: 260 DPS (T1 Ammo) Damage: Note that missile explosion radius means it kills cruisers far faster than battleships' weapons can. Tank: This setup can permatank all level fours that don't involve EM-specialized foes like Sansha. The peed to dodge battleship guns, and tiny sig radius automatically means torpedoes do only 33% normal damage before resists, which HACs also get a bonus to. Originally by: "Sacrilege" Defense Rating: 310 Points Permatank Firepower: 310 DPS (T1 Ammo, 3 Light Drones) Mean little bugger. Balance resists across the board means it can fight just about any type or rat well. The only problem is that the even with an AB it seems to spend more time chasing down enemies than shooting due to the range of HAMs. Originally by: "Raven" Defense Rating: 636 Points, Permatanked Firepower: 373 DPS (T1 Ammo, 5 Med Drones) Quote: Ballistic Control System II x2 Capacitor Flux Coil II x3 X-Large Shield Booster x1 Ballistic Deflection Field x2 Heat Dissipation Field x1 Cap Recharger x2 XT-9000 Cruise Launcher x6 Two free slots Core Defence Capacitor Sa*uard x3 My Battleship and Cruise Missile skills are level 4, but my drone skills aren't all that hot. However, I'll be taking triple the damage from torps, and lacking the enhanced resists that T2 ships have which worries me. However, I still have slots for two heavy Nosfs -- though I'd rather not rely on them too much, as I'm uncertain how the new Nosf overhaul might affect PvE. Assuming Nosfs drain at 100% capacity, I can boost effective tank to 800~ points. Originally by:** "Rokh" Defense Rating: 816 Points Reinforced (Lasts 2 minutes), 533 Sustained/Permatank. Firepower: 380 DPS (T1 Ammo, 5 Med Drones) Quote: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Capacitor Flux Coil II x2 Power Diagnostic System II x1 X-Large Shield Booster II x1 Ballistic Deflection Field II x2 Heat Dissipation Field II x1 Cap Recharger II x2 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I x8 Capacitor Control Circuit I x3 With Antimatter L ammo the guns eat up a ton of power; I can permatank the 816 points when all guns are not firing. Downgrading to 350mms helps only slightly. If I use 4/4 gun/missiles in place of 8/0, then the stats match the Raven but with 5% better tank, -10% dps. If I go 4/4 I might as well just take the Raven since it costs 50% less ISK. Any thoughts on which I should use? It seems to be a tie-in between the Raven and the Cerberus, unless I've overlooked something. With the Cerberus I'm guaranteed to win due to it's amazing permatank, but with the Raven do I a lot more damage... _______________________ "Ma'am, we don't have enough ships to break though!" "We're Minmitar, Ensign. Get me a roll of duct tape."
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:20:00 - [2] First, may I say what an excellent post yours is. Clear setups, questions and thoughts. Very nice to read. Now, the problem that comes to mind from your setups is still lack of dps. Under 400 is a tad slow to mission in. One option is using a heavy cap booster w/ 800 charges for your Raven, and getting that 3rd BCU, maybe a BoostAmp as well in there. Room for a DCU too, make your tank even better, and you'll have to boost it less. Many would disagree, but I'd consider using 2x PDS and putting 2x 350mm Rails on there, to up that dps number a little. With gun, missile and ship skills at 4, but with good drone skills and t2 hammerheads, you'd optimally be looking at 540-550dps against bigger targets, which is getting acceptable imho. That's with Arbalests and Prototype Rails. So setup would be Low: 3x BCU T2 2x PDS T2 Med: XL Booster Boost Amp 3x Hards Heavy Cap Booster w/ 800's High 6x Cruise 2x 350mm Rails
demonfurbie Minmatar Covert Nexus Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.11.20 15:34:00 - [3] dont forget the ishtar is a wonderful mission hac
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.11.20 15:46:00 - [4] Mm, I've always wanted to try a Dual Sentry rig Ishtar, should be a very good for a HAC. If you can squeeze in an Omni, that would be almost 540dps at 35km optimal from drones, two omnis makes it 40km. T1 Gardes drop to 450dps at 28km, with the Omni. T2 Wardens drop to 400dps though the range goes up to 84km. But OP said drone skills weren't so hot.
Tandori Tanaka Tanaka Stuff and Supplies	Posted - 2007.11.20 16:56:00 - [5] How about a command ship ? If you can already fly HACs the field command ships aint that far away. Would be the middle way between BS and HAC. More DPS then a HAC but not as slow as the average BS.
Mastin Dragonfly Bloodthorn Voyages	Posted - 2007.11.20 16:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Tandori Tanaka How about a command ship ? If you can already fly HACs the field command ships aint that far away. Would be the middle way between BS and HAC. More DPS then a HAC but not as slow as the average BS. What I was about to reply. Also won't have to train up large weaponry.
Jezabel2	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:05:00 - [7] 450 dps :S:S wouldn't just running missions in high sec with a faction fitted bs be the best??.. <--newish char and never been to low sec so I don't know how much better it is than empire. My abdddon has 800 dps at 20 km and 670 dps at 59 km(w/o drones) and it slaughters blood raider, sanasha, and angel missions
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Originally by: Tandori Tanaka How about a command ship ? If you can already fly HACs the field command ships aint that far away. Would be the middle way between BS and HAC. More DPS then a HAC but not as slow as the average BS. What I was about to reply. Also won't have to train up large weaponry. Ditto. If the OP has decent HAC skills then they should be most of the way towards being able to fly a CS and they would certainly have the right support skills. My Astarte makes quick work of most level 4s.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.11.20 20:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Jezabel2 My abdddon has 800 dps at 20 km and 670 dps at 59 km(w/o drones) and it slaughters ... angel missions No, it doesn't. Angel is probably the rat it is worst at.
Ajja 17 Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.21 11:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Originally by: Tandori Tanaka How about a command ship ? If you can already fly HACs the field command ships aint that far away. Would be the middle way between BS and HAC. More DPS then a HAC but not as slow as the average BS. What I was about to reply. Also won't have to train up large weaponry. Ditto. If the OP has decent HAC skills then they should be most of the way towards being able to fly a CS and they would certainly have the right support skills. My Astarte makes quick work of most level 4s. Whats your setup? I've been trying to find a good pve setup for the astarte.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.11.21 12:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Ajja 17 Whats your setup? I've been trying to find a good pve setup for the astarte. x7 250mm Rails T2 x1 10MN AB T2 x2 Cap Recharger T2 x1 Optical Tracking Computer x1 Med repper T2 x1 Active Hardener (Rat Specific) T2 x2 EANM T2 x1 Mag Stab T2 x1 Damage Control T2 x2 Capacitor Control Circuit x5 T2 Med Drones (usually Vespa IIs, but depends on the mission). It If I'm feeling lazy I just warp in, load longish range ammo (Lead or Iridium) and then blast away until stuff gets close. Depending on range, most cruisers and BCs are shredded with lead ammo before they can close from 60km to 40km. Inside 40km I switch to AM. Most things melt at this point, with the exception of the tougher BSs. The only mission I found that stopped me cold was Worlds Collide in feb of last year. I couldn't manage that at all and have not been offerred it since. Every other mission is a big old barrell of easy.
Ajja 17 Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.21 14:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Ajja 17 on 21/11/2007 14:15:20 Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Ajja 17 Whats your setup? I've been trying to find a good pve setup for the astarte. x7 250mm Rails T2 x1 10MN AB T2 x2 Cap Recharger T2 x1 Optical Tracking Computer x1 Med repper T2 x1 Active Hardener (Rat Specific) T2 x2 EANM T2 x1 Mag Stab T2 x1 Damage Control T2 x2 Capacitor Control Circuit x5 T2 Med Drones (usually Vespa IIs, but depends on the mission). It If I'm feeling lazy I just warp in, load longish range ammo (Lead or Iridium) and then blast away until stuff gets close. Depending on range, most cruisers and BCs are shredded with lead ammo before they can close from 60km to 40km. Inside 40km I switch to AM. Most things melt at this point, with the exception of the tougher BSs. The only mission I found that stopped me cold was Worlds Collide in feb of last year. I couldn't manage that at all and have not been offerred it since. Every other mission is a big old barrell of easy. Heh I find rails to be too slow, I got a rack of neutrons, a cap recharger instead of the tracking computer and aux nano rigs. Still doesn't tank enough for 0.0 plexes/anomalies, I get my alt to remote rep me :( edit: the lower cap use of the blasters allows me to perma-run the rep.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.11.21 14:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Ajja 17 Heh I find rails to be too slow, I got a rack of neutrons, a cap recharger instead of the tracking computer and aux nano rigs. Still doesn't tank enough for 0.0 plexes/anomalies, I get my alt to remote rep me :( edit: the lower cap use of the blasters allows me to perma-run the rep. While Blasters will do more damage than rails and will destroy a target faster, their range is significantly shorter and whatever time you might save will be more than offset by your travel time to targets. As I said, I can warp into a lvl 4 mission DS and start blasting away at targets some 60km away, thinning most of them long before they got close. This also minimises the amount of DPS I have to tank. So missions are faster and safer. Blasters are more fun and I did level 2 missions in a blaster fitted Thorax and do some level 3 missions for fun in a blaster fitted Brutix or Vigilant. Level 2 missions, the time difference between blasters and rails is not significant. It is more so for level 3s. So in short. Rails are faster.
Ajja 17 Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.21 16:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Ajja 17 Heh I find rails to be too slow, I got a rack of neutrons, a cap recharger instead of the tracking computer and aux nano rigs. Still doesn't tank enough for 0.0 plexes/anomalies, I get my alt to remote rep me :( edit: the lower cap use of the blasters allows me to perma-run the rep. While Blasters will do more damage than rails and will destroy a target faster, their range is significantly shorter and whatever time you might save will be more than offset by your travel time to targets. As I said, I can warp into a lvl 4 mission DS and start blasting away at targets some 60km away, thinning most of them long before they got close. This also minimises the amount of DPS I have to tank. So missions are faster and safer. Blasters are more fun and I did level 2 missions in a blaster fitted Thorax and do some level 3 missions for fun in a blaster fitted Brutix or Vigilant. Level 2 missions, the time difference between blasters and rails is not significant. It is more so for level 3s. So in short. Rails are faster. A lot of angels love mwding right next to you. But yeah the far ones are a bit of a pain.
Sendraks TOHA Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.11.21 16:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Ajja 17 [A lot of angels love mwding right next to you. But yeah the far ones are a bit of a pain. Mission NPCs no longer use MWDs and haven't done for nearly a year now.
Lord Doomsday	Posted - 2007.11.22 19:09:00 - [16] Well they have some sort of AB though, they can double their speed and sometimes thats pretty fast.
Aldelphius Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.23 05:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: Ajja 17 [A lot of angels love mwding right next to you. But yeah the far ones are a bit of a pain. Mission NPCs no longer use MWDs and haven't done for nearly a year now.

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