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Louise Porter	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Louise Porter on 20/11/2007 17:12:15 So last week I lost my freighter whilst at the keyboard in 0.5 to a gang on suicide nubs. No one wants to escort a freighter 24 jumps. I lost probably what it took me several months to make, but not to mention the freighter I saved up for about a year. I didnt cry but I was close. I used what money I had left to buy an industrial, filled it with what little cargo I had left and two days later it got ganked by a group of alts again in 0.5 and I lost the last of my money / ship. My tank didnt hold. So now you will say... Go back to wow. I say, OK i'll take your advice, I am going back to wow. Can I have your stuff? Sadly you're a little late. Though you may be able to salvage my wreck but I doubt it will still be there. Dont fly anything your not prepared to lose. I cant affoard to lose my freighter, but I cant affoard not to fly it...and so on and so on... Post on your main! If the loosers who ganked me had the balls to suicide me with their main I'd post with my main. I'll return perhaps when players cant create alts for suicide missions or perhaps haulers have some kind of defence against this popular sport.
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:15:00 - [2] Sorry to hear that. Take solace in the following facts: 1. Its a game for fun/entertainment 2. It was a giant pixel you lost 3. You're not the first, nor last to lose a ton of assets
Lord TYMAN	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:16:00 - [3] lolownedyoudied.
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Lord TYMAN lolownedyoudied. Quite profound. Anything else to add from your encyclopedic wisdom?
Papion Takigama Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:22:00 - [5] there is a very simpel solution make the frikkin cargoscanning a hostile act. its bull**** people can just randomly check your cargo like they are concord. if you wanna find out what the big ships are moving you gonna have to infiltrate corps and sweet talk yourself into getting the information you need.
DarknessInc Minmatar Legion of Corpses Federation Of united Corps	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:26:00 - [6] Edited by: DarknessInc on 20/11/2007 17:27:30 Ohh god. Here comes another Nerf post. Just shut up. Seriously. Boohoo you got ganked. Its what you get for AFK flying. I learned it the hard way also, but guess what. I earned my ISK back and learned from the mistake. And boo hoo you lost a freighter. Their not worth 1B anymore. And people have lost BILLIONS from single scams, and your complaining about losing it all? Christ. Grow a pair, go back to WoW like you said you were going to, and while your at it. Castrate yourself for the rest of us? Didnt see that one coming huh EDIT: Papion why dont you just throw in making it an illegal act to scan a ship's setup? Idiotic idea to make an act that doesnt directly hurt you until they DO attack you, and they also lose their ship & sec status for doing it /signed. Much love to you too - Wachtmeister
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:27:00 - [7] Edited by: Dr Slice on 20/11/2007 17:30:54 Edited by: Dr Slice on 20/11/2007 17:29:15 Originally by: Papion there is a very simpel solution make the frikkin cargoscanning a hostile act. its bull**** people can just randomly check your cargo like they are concord. if you wanna find out what the big ships are moving you gonna have to infiltrate corps and sweet talk yourself into getting the information you need. This idea only solves half the problem. For example, you're flying a Hauler and get Cargo Scanned in .5 space by 1 guy in a throw-away frigate who is ganged up with the suiciders. Cargo scan goes off, he flashes red to you, he checks the window before Concord arrives and says "yes" or "no" to his gang mates on whether or not you're worth suiciding. You're not going to do much with a single small/med gun in your hi slot. Freighters are even worse off because they have no slots and move slower. Edit: To broaden your solution - make it impossible to Cargo Scan in high sec space. And I agree with you, to be cargo scanned should be an act of aggression
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Valron Xizor on 20/11/2007 17:29:50 Originally by: DarknessInc Ohh god. Here comes another Nerf post. Just shut up. Seriously. Boohoo you got ganked. Its what you get for AFK flying. I learned it the hard way also, but guess what. I earned my ISK back and learned from the mistake. And boo hoo you lost a freighter. Their not worth 1B anymore. And people have lost BILLIONS from single scams, and your complaining about losing it all? Christ. Grow a pair, go back to WoW like you said you were going to, and while your at it. Castrate yourself for the rest of us? Didnt see that one coming huh Learn to read the OP's post. She said whilst AT the keyboard, and to be honest, some Ahole coming on with Boohoo, cry more, grow balls, I think we all saw that one coming.
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Papion there is a very simpel solution make the frikkin cargoscanning a hostile act. lol... @OP Sorry for your loss, but if you had a BC in gang with gang mods you probably would of lived. Yea I know escorting a freighter isn't exciting but if you can afford it, maybe buy a 2nd account. :/
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Kirex Originally by: Papion there is a very simpel solution make the frikkin cargoscanning a hostile act. lol... @OP Sorry for your loss, but if you had a BC in gang with gang mods you probably would of lived. Yea I know escorting a freighter isn't exciting but if you can afford it, maybe buy a 2nd account. :/ I think the problem here Kirex is that it was .5 space where he took this very heavy loss. Cargo scanning a ship is definitely a hostile act if you think about it, as it involves invasion of privacy and the only motive is to resolve a decision on whether or not to kill you based on the cargo you carry.
Lord Bleu MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:35:00 - [11] To be honest I dont think the cargo is the goal these days. It seems to me that a large majority of players are doing it just for kicks and the penalty for the offenders is not severe enough (especially since most are alts) whilst the loss to the victim is huge. They have next to no defence and pretty soon, haulers are going to stop hauling (or leaving) and then the 'cry more noob' brigade are going to start crying that they cant get the equipment they need.
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:40:00 - [12] In jumpagate a game I used to play before eve, the implimented a fun thing for haulers. THey had a similar problem in that game but slightly different in that pirates could actually use a device to steal cargo. This became the 'in thing' and after much hauler protests the introduced a device (booby trap) that when put in the hold of the hauler, there was a chance that the thief would uncover it and go BOOM. the more booby traps you carried, the less cargo you could haul, but the greater chance the pirate had to uncover it. Something similar in eve would certainly level the playing field.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Lord Bleu To be honest I dont think the cargo is the goal these days. It seems to me that a large majority of players are doing it just for kicks and the penalty for the offenders is not severe enough (especially since most are alts) whilst the loss to the victim is huge. They have next to no defence and pretty soon, haulers are going to stop hauling (or leaving) and then the 'cry more noob' brigade are going to start crying that they cant get the equipment they need. I'd say you are partially right about the "just for kicks" thing. The amount of whines on the forums sure made me start suicide ganking, and I am sure several others started that way too. About the "no defence" part, however, you're flat out wrong. In this particular situation the OP apparently couldn't afford to lose her freighter. A good way to ensure that doesn't happen is to get an escort. If she had one or a few BC's with her this never would have happened. "But noone wants to scout a freighter several jumps bohoo"? If that's the problem you need to make better friends or get a second account. The problem isn't suicide gankers. The problem is that some traders are too lazy to use the methods available to keep themselves and their cargo safe. I mean, the OP got suicided a few days later AGAIN!!! Seems she should have learned something the first time it happened. No sympathy. Good luck in WoW. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Dr Slice Katana's Edge	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Lord Bleu To be honest I dont think the cargo is the goal these days. It seems to me that a large majority of players are doing it just for kicks and the penalty for the offenders is not severe enough (especially since most are alts) whilst the loss to the victim is huge. They have next to no defence and pretty soon, haulers are going to stop hauling (or leaving) and then the 'cry more noob' brigade are going to start crying that they cant get the equipment they need. Doing it for kicks? Thats a shame really. I have never attacked a Hauler or Freighter for kicks, but to get the cargo. I guess they have a right to sit around waiting to suicide stuff with alts in high sec, but what a strange type of gameplay.
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:47:00 - [15] Edited by: Valron Xizor on 20/11/2007 17:48:06 Originally by: Dr Slice I guess they have a right to sit around waiting to suicide stuff with alts in high sec, but what a strange type of gameplay. I dont mind that this thing is doable. I mean if you want to play the life of a criminal then you should be forced to live with the consequences of sec hit, but creating an alt only to delete it after the sec hit kicks in is an exploit. I've said it before, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Valron Xizor I dont mind that this thing is doable. I mean if you want to play the life of a criminal then you should be forced to live with the consequences of sec hit, but creating an alt only to delete it after the sec hit kicks in is an exploit. I've said it before, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime. Yes, this is an exploit, and I do believe that the "OMG they use alts" thing is completely false. I suicide with my main, as do all my friends. Every suicider I have talked to has done it with his main. If you do see a gang of noob corpers doing the suiciding, petition them, but you have to understand that throwaway alts can't be used for freighter ganking as they take far too much training to be worth it. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Louise Porter Edited by: Louise Porter on 20/11/2007 17:12:15 Dont fly anything your not prepared to lose. I cant affoard to lose my freighter, but I cant affoard not to fly it...and so on and so on... To bad you didn't learn this a bit earlier. Oh well. Either you think the game is fun and stick with it or you leave. Its a game have fun. I personally frown upon creating alts for suicide use. Signature removed - please reduce your signature graphic height to less than 120 pixels - Jacques([email protected])
Borg Fusion Mixed Nuts	Posted - 2007.11.20 17:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Lord TYMAN lolownedyoudied. How about you start training up your int and wis? perhaps next time you will have something productive to say, where people can ready what you have to say. Losing assets in EVE can take a big impact on game experience because of time spent. Corpse Collection
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:15:00 - [19] Under normal conditions id be saying WoW is that way---> But instead, Im sorry for you loss. I strongly believe frieghters need a hp buff because it simpley takes to little on the attackers part in isk loss to perform these actions in empire. So in short the isk spent to isk loss needs to be balanced some, you should never be safe ofcourse but it should at least cost the attacks a great deal and shouldnt be just some piggy bank to break open. Just my 2 cents. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord TYMAN lolownedyoudied. Grow up? DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:20:00 - [21] Originally by: DarknessInc Edited by: DarknessInc on 20/11/2007 17:27:30 Ohh god. Here comes another Nerf post. Just shut up. Seriously. Boohoo you got ganked. Its what you get for AFK flying. I learned it the hard way also, but guess what. I earned my ISK back and learned from the mistake. And boo hoo you lost a freighter. Their not worth 1B anymore. And people have lost BILLIONS from single scams, and your complaining about losing it all? Christ. Grow a pair, go back to WoW like you said you were going to, and while your at it. Castrate yourself for the rest of us? Didnt see that one coming huh EDIT: Papion why dont you just throw in making it an illegal act to scan a ship's setup? Idiotic idea to make an act that doesnt directly hurt you until they DO attack you, and they also lose their ship & sec status for doing it Maybe you should try reading the post before you reply? Quote: So last week I lost my freighter whilst at the keyboard in 0.5 to a gang on suicide nubs. No one wants to escort a freighter 24 jumps. I lost probably what it took me several months to make, but not to mention the freighter I saved up for about a year. I didnt cry but I was close. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Valerax Orion Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:23:00 - [22] I think quitting is going a bit far but yeh, losing everything must suck major gonads. My recomendation; instead of running a sol freighter for your own proffit, get into a corp that requires a well trained Indy/freight pilot and get them to escort you on your hauling journeys, for both corp and your own benefit. On the flip side of the coin; putting all you are worth into one ship with no defenses/escort...well say your material wealth was represented by "eggs" and the ship was represented by a "basket"... Remember kids; it's not necrophilia if the guy had a snake set!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Lord TYMAN lolownedyoudied. Quite profound. Anything else to add from your encyclopedic wisdom? i think that is really all everyone else is saying, they just happen to use a few more words, and complete sentances.
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:54:00 - [24] Sucks o be you but a couple qeustions come to mind when reading this: 1) Why in the name of god would you put everything you own in one ship and then fly unescorted 2)What type of crappy corp are you in that wont help you move your things a few jumps 3)If they were simple suicide alts then chances are there was about 1000 kestrels w/ rockets attacking you.If there wasnt then they werent specific suicide alts they were normal ones or mains -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=- Winning or Losing doesn't matter, as long as the fight itself was good.
Sesharrim Viziam	Posted - 2007.11.20 18:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Valron Xizor In jumpagate a game I used to play before eve, the implimented a fun thing for haulers. THey had a similar problem in that game but slightly different in that pirates could actually use a device to steal cargo. This became the 'in thing' and after much hauler protests the introduced a device (booby trap) that when put in the hold of the hauler, there was a chance that the thief would uncover it and go BOOM. the more booby traps you carried, the less cargo you could haul, but the greater chance the pirate had to uncover it. Something similar in eve would certainly level the playing field. HAHA, this is actually a really good idea. I like it
Crimson Onyx the united	Posted - 2007.11.20 19:06:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Lord Bleu To be honest I dont think the cargo is the goal these days. It seems to me that a large majority of players are doing it just for kicks and the penalty for the offenders is not severe enough (especially since most are alts) whilst the loss to the victim is huge. They have next to no defence and pretty soon, haulers are going to stop hauling (or leaving) and then the 'cry more noob' brigade are going to start crying that they cant get the equipment they need. Doing it for kicks? Thats a shame really. I have never attacked a Hauler or Freighter for kicks, but to get the cargo. I guess they have a right to sit around waiting to suicide stuff with alts in high sec, but what a strange type of gameplay. I touch myself every time a freighter pilot dies.
Aya Otosaki	Posted - 2007.11.20 19:17:00 - [27] Originally by: DarknessInc Edited by: DarknessInc on 20/11/2007 17:27:30 Ohh god. Here comes another Nerf post. Just shut up. Seriously. Boohoo you got ganked. Its what you get for AFK flying. I learned it the hard way also, but guess what. I earned my ISK back and learned from the mistake. And boo hoo you lost a freighter. Their not worth 1B anymore. And people have lost BILLIONS from single scams, and your complaining about losing it all? Christ. Grow a pair, go back to WoW like you said you were going to, and while your at it. Castrate yourself for the rest of us? Didnt see that one coming huh EDIT: Papion why dont you just throw in making it an illegal act to scan a ship's setup? Idiotic idea to make an act that doesnt directly hurt you until they DO attack you, and they also lose their ship & sec status for doing it stop whining. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Krows	Posted - 2007.11.20 19:37:00 - [28] Porter, I'm absolutely positive that you were not ganked by suicide alts. In fact, I think you just assume everyone who suicides must use alts to do it; I have done it on numerous occasions, ALL have been on Krows (and if they were all young and had never left say... state war academy, you can petition it). Don't freighters insure? I admit I am not cap capable but I'd imagine you could of easily gone back to work in a month or so with a full insurance payout. Anyways, we'll see you soon after you leave WoW when you realize that lack of risk=not fun. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
Stephannus Calimben mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.20 19:38:00 - [29] highsec is not completely safe. putting all your money into one freighter is a HUGE risk, and you should be aware that it is. If you spent a year training up for this freighter then you should know that risk full well. suicide ganking is also the result of the boredom and poverty of low-sec pirates. Nothing worthwhile comes through our systems...in fact almost nothing at all comes through our systems. 90% of the time we end up killing other pirates or antipirates, of which we get maybe a few million in t2 modules split between a 6 man gang. suicide ganking theres a decent chance that at some point in the night we re gunna kill something worth a few hundred million (or billions for freighter ganks). Since most pirates are either 40m sp characters with billions of isk saved up, or 10m sp characters with barely enough to insure our drakes, i don't think that nerfing our only profit source is the solution here. When lvl4 and 5 missions are added to low-sec, if the profitability of them is high enough hopefully they'll bring some more people into low-sec (or we ll make money running them ourselves), and the suicide gankers will slowly disappear. ______________ ...mmm fire... ______________
Krows	Posted - 2007.11.20 19:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Stephannus Calimben highsec is not completely safe. putting all your money into one freighter is a HUGE risk, and you should be aware that it is. If you spent a year training up for this freighter then you should know that risk full well. suicide ganking is also the result of the boredom and poverty of low-sec pirates. Nothing worthwhile comes through our systems...in fact almost nothing at all comes through our systems. 90% of the time we end up killing other pirates or antipirates, of which we get maybe a few million in t2 modules split between a 6 man gang. suicide ganking theres a decent chance that at some point in the night we re gunna kill something worth a few hundred million (or billions for freighter ganks). Since most pirates are either 40m sp characters with billions of isk saved up, or 10m sp characters with barely enough to insure our drakes, i don't think that nerfing our only profit source is the solution here. When lvl4 and 5 missions are added to low-sec, if the profitability of them is high enough hopefully they'll bring some more people into low-sec (or we ll make money running them ourselves), and the suicide gankers will slowly disappear. Amen, Stephannus. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.

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