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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:16:00 -
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Please make all stations in high security space have docking fees that are dynamic on the amount of traffic/demand, like office rental costs. The nominal value could be a few hundred ISK for a station, but for stations like Jita 4-4 it would be a few thousand to maybe even a few hundred thousand ISK.
Accounts less than 2 months old (i.e. newbies) would be except from these fees. Also, high faction standings should reduce the fees (but not by much).
It adds a very much needed ISK sink, and it will give people an economic incentive spread out from these so-called mega-hubs.
P.S. Demand-based install cost for all manufacturing, invention, copying, and research slots in empire too.
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Cailais
Amarr
W A R
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:21:00 -
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Not a bad proposal.
I'd favour a system where by the tax rate varies in a system depending upon its current population. A high population increases the cost of buy and sell orders by 1% per pilot in system. So hyper-hubs like jita would incur taxes at around the 800% mark - few would want to buy there and so sellers would want to shift there goods to quieter systems.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: smoogie
P.S. Demand-based install cost for all manufacturing, invention, copying, and research slots in empire too.
There is a demand-based install cost for all science lab fees if the demand is high enough.
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:25:00 -
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well a huge part of the Jita people are alts that just sit there never undock
so it wouldnt be a real solution
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: smoogie
Please make all stations in high security space have docking fees that are dynamic on the amount of traffic/demand, like office rental costs. The nominal value could be a few hundred ISK for a station, but for stations like Jita 4-4 it would be a few thousand to maybe even a few hundred thousand ISK.
Accounts less than 2 months old (i.e. newbies) would be except from these fees. Also, high faction standings should reduce the fees (but not by much).
It adds a very much needed ISK sink, and it will give people an economic incentive spread out from these so-called mega-hubs.
P.S. Demand-based install cost for all manufacturing, invention, copying, and research slots in empire too.
tbh that docking fee won't make much difference to me. I usually go to Jita to drop a few tens of millions, or more. A couple of hundred k is a rounding error.
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: smoogie on 20/11/2007 19:35:01
The only reasons the alts are there is because of the market activity. If you mitigate traffic to jita by traffic-based docking, you also mitigate the number of 800k SP alts sitting in Jita as there's less incentive for them to be there.
{Edit: Okay, how about a mass-based docking fee multiplier, in addition to demand? A few tens of millions for a freighter.}
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.11.20 19:46:00 -
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Docking fees, pah !
BROKER fees is what you need to be dynamic 
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.20 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Docking fees, pah !
BROKER fees is what you need to be dynamic
Bingo, High traffic systems with high volumes of sales = higher broker fee or sales tax.
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Ed Anger
Weekly World News
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:21:00 -
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limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ed Anger
limited berths at each station. so no more then 50 ships docked at once, force the population to go somewhere other then jita 4-4 now and then.
Nah, we NEED Jita, same way we NEED nukes in this day and age, we hate it we protest it we loathe it for all it is worth but ultimatly it is because of us that it becomes a nessecity.
Docking fee's yay, Berth's nay.
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The Herrick
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:30:00 -
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I like all my lag in one place means there less traffic in the systems nearby.
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.11.21 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Nah, we NEED Jita, same way we NEED nukes in this day and age, we hate it we protest it we loathe it for all it is worth but ultimatly it is because of us that it becomes a nessecity.
Errr... your analogy hurts my brain.
You're saying mankind could not function without nukes? I think what you meant to say is: mankind could not exist alongside nukes without owning nukes.
And stop, please, please stop, complaining about the lag in Jita.
1. I don't lag in Jita by latency or system performance and my computer is an archaeological find.
2. The biggest contributing factor to lag in Jita is you being there so go to Amarr, Rens, Oursalert, or any of the other major trade hubs instead.
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xJohnnyDx
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.21 02:12:00 -
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I've got this saved as a text file now. It's basic, but I'm still waiting for a good argument against it.
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
The following facts are all a given. I haven't heard any significant argument against them:
1 - Jita is the best system equipped to handle a market hub. It's got it's own node for Christ sakes.
2 - Putting any changes in place that will stop Jita from being a market hub will simply cause another to form in its place.
Those two facts combined make a pretty good reason to change nothing at all, in my eyes. No matter what happens, if Jita stops being a market hub, the new market hub will cause lag with all the other systems on the node, whereas when Jita lags, it has no effect elsewhere. If I am misunderstanding how nodes and Jita work, I'll gladly stand corrected, but I've never heard anything to the contrary.
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Sarah Aubry
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.11.21 02:21:00 -
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I prefer Avon's idea from here
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Shakuul
Caldari
O RLY corp
YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.11.21 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: smoogie
Please make all stations in high security space have docking fees that are dynamic on the amount of traffic/demand, like office rental costs. The nominal value could be a few hundred ISK for a station, but for stations like Jita 4-4 it would be a few thousand to maybe even a few hundred thousand ISK.
Accounts less than 2 months old (i.e. newbies) would be except from these fees. Also, high faction standings should reduce the fees (but not by much).
It adds a very much needed ISK sink, and it will give people an economic incentive spread out from these so-called mega-hubs.
P.S. Demand-based install cost for all manufacturing, invention, copying, and research slots in empire too.
Generally agree, except for the newbie exemption. Jita is a market hub for real traders/anyone buying/selling something expensive, not for someone running missions or picking up some random T1 item.
Also, manufacturing slots are abundant in empire, and research/lab slots you can do yourself at POSes, so I don't see a reason to improve public ones.
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Kuma Kai
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Posted - 2007.11.21 03:24:00 -
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or fix the lag instead of nerfing the economy. 
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.11.21 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: xJohnnyDx
I've got this saved as a text file now. It's basic, but I'm still waiting for a good argument against it.
Originally by: xJohnnyDx
The following facts are all a given. I haven't heard any significant argument against them:
1 - Jita is the best system equipped to handle a market hub. It's got it's own node for Christ sakes.
2 - Putting any changes in place that will stop Jita from being a market hub will simply cause another to form in its place.
Those two facts combined make a pretty good reason to change nothing at all, in my eyes. No matter what happens, if Jita stops being a market hub, the new market hub will cause lag with all the other systems on the node, whereas when Jita lags, it has no effect elsewhere. If I am misunderstanding how nodes and Jita work, I'll gladly stand corrected, but I've never heard anything to the contrary.
Pretty much.
The failure of the last attempt to get us to 'spread out' created Jita (Yulai used to be the market hub, then they rerouted the highways). I see no reason why any similar attempts would not meet similar fates.
And dammit, I like my one stop shopping.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.21 03:46:00 -
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please make a forum search so people posting new threads can see their ideas have been brought up about a billion times in the past
oh right, we already have one
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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