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Annowyn Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Moghydin So you want an unstoppable ship? How about no... So you want a ship that can stop anything? How about....wait you are getting yours. Now you don't even have to try and bump a hauler anymore. NOTE: I've never fit a WCS, but some people do.
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Illyria Ambri I believe what is being pointed out is that the new Dictors can tag and bag anyship of their choosing regardless of warp core strength. They just want a chance to get away rather then having to face a ship that will stop ANYTHING it picks 100% w/o any chance for escape from it. How about you stop flying without support, fit some ECM and hire a scout. Seems like a really effective set of counters there to me.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Illyria Ambri I believe what is being pointed out is that the new Dictors can tag and bag anyship of their choosing regardless of warp core strength. They just want a chance to get away rather then having to face a ship that will stop ANYTHING it picks 100% w/o any chance for escape from it. How about you stop flying without support, fit some ECM and hire a scout. Seems like a really effective set of counters there to me. This ^ Really, people. It's not hard. Start using your brains and stop acting like sheep that have wandered off alone.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:42:00 - [34] I want balance. One player with one main and one throw-away alt running at the same time isn't my idea of a good gameplay. And if I do think it is, I must be silly and blind in one eye and can't see in the other. My 0.01 ISK. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:44:00 - [35] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want balance. One player with one main and one throw-away alt running at the same time isn't my idea of a good gameplay. And if I do think it is, I must be silly and blind in one eye and can't see in the other. My 0.01 ISK. Jenny, I'd like to remind you any everyone else whining about this: EVE is a multiplayer game. Do not expect to get far out of Empire alone. EVER.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want balance. One player with one main and one throw-away alt running at the same time isn't my idea of a good gameplay. And if I do think it is, I must be silly and blind in one eye and can't see in the other. My 0.01 ISK. Welcome to the world of the MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game. Get a friend. It makes the game more fun to play with others. You don't need to fly the scout yourself.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:46:00 - [37] Fine, I will stay in Empire. The next time when you whine about why empire is overcrowded or there is nobody in low-sec or null-sec, please remind yourself of what you want i.e. imbalance. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:49:00 - [38] Edited by: Thann Starlinbow on 21/11/2007 21:49:56 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/11/2007 21:47:07 Fine, I will stay in Empire. The next time when you whine about why empire is overcrowded or there is nobody in low-sec or null-sec, please remind yourself of what you want i.e. imbalance. It is people like you that stunt this game. :( Edit: c.r.ack is censored, I guess :( /edit rofl. You ***** me up. You don't want to take good advice on how to avoid getting caught by these ships, you just want CCP to hand you a module that makes you immune from ever getting hurt. amirite?
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:52:00 - [39] In my opinion, this idea of "Balance" has done nothing but contribute to Blob Warfare. Gone are the days where a ten man gang can destroy a 50 man gang because the ten-man gang has fittings and tactics that caught the 50 man fleet completely off guard. Welcome to EVE-Lite, home of "GET MORE SHIPS THAN THEM AND WE WIN!" I for one welcome our new Heavy-Dictor Piloting Overlords.
Shandelzare	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:53:00 - [40] how about this: 1 scripted wcs would negate the effect of 1 scripted scrambler scripted wcs would also give +2 or +3 against normal scramblers but the penalty would be a new negative effect to the module, either 25% or 50% penalty to ship agility and say +25% signature radius that would give you some defense against the scramblers, but it would also take you longer to align for a warp due to the agility penalty, and it would be easier to kill you due to the increased sig radius
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.21 21:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain I for one welcome our new Heavy-Dictor Piloting Overlords. Amen, brother. And I can't even fly one nor am I training for one. But I've got friends that can!
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Gone are the days where a ten man gang can destroy a 50 man gang because the ten-man gang has fittings and tactics that caught the 50 man fleet completely off guard. I disagree with this, mate. Example, see the thread in COAD about MDK and what they did to BRUCE when BRUCE had about 5-1 odds in their favor. I believe it was roughly 200 kills, 1 lose. So yeah, it can still be done, you just have to think more outside the box.
Tractormech Caldari the evil ones	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:02:00 - [43] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I want balance. One player with one main and one throw-away alt running at the same time isn't my idea of a good gameplay. And if I do think it is, I must be silly and blind in one eye and can't see in the other. My 0.01 ISK. Well I guess they could just go buy a character like you did,
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:04:00 - [44] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want balance. One player with one main and one throw-away alt running at the same time isn't my idea of a good gameplay. And if I do think it is, I must be silly and blind in one eye and can't see in the other. My 0.01 ISK. Jenny, I'd like to remind you any everyone else whining about this: EVE is a multiplayer game. Do not expect to get far out of Empire alone. EVER. Which is a good point. However it's got to be pointed out that the Focused Warp Disruptor is usable in Empire. So just change that to "EVE is a multiplayer game. Do not expect to get far out of ~~Empire~~ station alone," and we're good. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Example, see the thread in COAD about MDK and what they did to BRUCE when BRUCE had about 5-1 odds in their favor. I believe it was roughly 200 kills, 1 lose. So yeah, it can still be done, you just have to think more outside the box. The poor-man's Doomsday was an Epic idea. All I'm saying is CCP keeps caving to the whiners and keeps taking sand out of the sandbox. About everything i can think of (ECM, NANO-BS, Dampeners) all had effective counters prior to being nerfed. CCP, please make ships powerful in certain areas. You did a great job supplying effective counters. Don't let the forum warriors convince you otherwise.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want balance. One player with one main and one throw-away alt running at the same time isn't my idea of a good gameplay. And if I do think it is, I must be silly and blind in one eye and can't see in the other. My 0.01 ISK. Jenny, I'd like to remind you any everyone else whining about this: EVE is a multiplayer game. Do not expect to get far out of Empire alone. EVER. Which is a good point. However it's got to be pointed out that the Focused Warp Disruptor is usable in Empire. So just change that to "EVE is a multiplayer game. Do not expect to get far out of ~~Empire~~ station alone," and we're good. By Empire he means hi-sec space, you ninny!
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:08:00 - [47] Edited by: Kuar Z''thain on 21/11/2007 22:10:52 Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Which is a good point. However it's got to be pointed out that the Focused Warp Disruptor is usable in Empire. You can't be war dec-ed in a NPC corp, stay there if you have no one to fly with. If you're worried about gankers, the same rules apply as low-sec; don't fly alone, use a scout, fit a tank and ECM and maybe CONCORD will save you in time. Originally by: Thann Starlinbow By Empire he means hi-sec space, you ninny! They're not usable in high-sec? Then what's all the complaining about?
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:14:00 - [48] Oh, and for the record, I also think the script / Hactor combo is unbalanced. But addressing it by allowing WCS to become infinite strength as well is the height of inane forum comedy. Best suggestion I've seen so far is giving the FWD script a sensor resolution penalty. Done right, it wouldn't impact the ships' anti-cap role at all, would still be useful for stopping other ships, but would keep it from being the end all and be all of gatecamping without special support. There's other possibilities too, but I like that one a lot. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow By Empire he means hi-sec space, you ninny! They're usable in hisec too, at the moment. :P * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Seteshi	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:20:00 - [50] Edited by: Seteshi on 21/11/2007 22:22:17 I say if people want to fit their ship out to run away, more power to them. It just means that their ship will never be able to dictate the fight on an even playing field, as it will always be inferior to similar ship kitted out for pure combat. I can't get over how completely silly the people with WCSphobia are, properly designed ships throughout history have always been able to disengage from combat if they wanted to, thats what they get for the armor/firepower trade off. Seems like most people here just want a crutch, they think no ship should ever be able to run away from them under any circumstances, which quite frankly, is stupid. If you want to kill everything you see so bad, heres an idea. Instead of yelling for the people who are kitting out their ships to run to find a gang, not travel alone, whatever, why don't YOU find a gang, bring more warp disruptors, and STFU?
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Illyria Ambri I believe what is being pointed out is that the new Dictors can tag and bag anyship of their choosing regardless of warp core strength. They just want a chance to get away rather then having to face a ship that will stop ANYTHING it picks 100% w/o any chance for escape from it. How about you stop flying without support, fit some ECM and hire a scout. Seems like a really effective set of counters there to me. How about you read my post where I said "They just want." That way you might realize I was just trying to clarify the current whine.. not actually participating and/or endorsing it in any way. Course that would involve reading wouldn't it... Premature much? ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:43:00 - [52] Originally by: Seteshi properly designed ships throughout history have always been able to disengage from combat if they wanted to, thats what they get for the armor/firepower trade off. Your Real-Life comparisons are not welcome here. Unless of course you have mastered space-travel and combat and have neglected to inform anyone else. Originally by: Seteshi If you want to kill everything you see so bad, heres an idea. Instead of yelling for the people who are kitting out their ships to run to find a gang, not travel alone, whatever, why don't YOU find a gang, bring more warp disruptors, and STFU? So are you in favor of scripts that counter one of these scripted scrams? because then campers will just have two Heavy Dictors instead of one; now your script has been rendered useless and guess what? you have a ship thats not going anywhere again.
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.21 22:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Illyria Ambri I believe what is being pointed out is that the new Dictors can tag and bag anyship of their choosing regardless of warp core strength. They just want a chance to get away rather then having to face a ship that will stop ANYTHING it picks 100% w/o any chance for escape from it. How about you stop flying without support, fit some ECM and hire a scout. Seems like a really effective set of counters there to me. How about you read my post where I said "They just want." That way you might realize I was just trying to clarify the current whine.. not actually participating and/or endorsing it in any way. Course that would involve reading wouldn't it... Premature much? Excuse me, as that comment was not directed at you but at the persons requesting those features. I merely quoted you to clarify my response context.
Haakelen Gallente United Forces Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.21 23:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Acceptable? You are a brilliant troll.
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.21 23:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Example, see the thread in COAD about MDK and what they did to BRUCE when BRUCE had about 5-1 odds in their favor. I believe it was roughly 200 kills, 1 lose. So yeah, it can still be done, you just have to think more outside the box. The poor-man's Doomsday was an Epic idea. All I'm saying is CCP keeps caving to the whiners and keeps taking sand out of the sandbox. About everything i can think of (ECM, NANO-BS, Dampeners) all had effective counters prior to being nerfed. CCP, please make ships powerful in certain areas. You did a great job supplying effective counters. Don't let the forum warriors convince you otherwise. I agree. I like it when some ships are really good at certain things, with weaknesses to other ships. At the very least, it would encourage more variety of ship use. Balance does not cause people to use a variety of ships. Rock-paper-scissors, with ships/items having huge advantages against some but major weaknesses against others, is what encourages variety. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Motokko	Posted - 2007.11.21 23:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Shandelzare how about this: 1 scripted wcs would negate the effect of 1 scripted scrambler scripted wcs would also give +2 or +3 against normal scramblers but the penalty would be a new negative effect to the module, either 25% or 50% penalty to ship agility and say +25% signature radius that would give you some defense against the scramblers, but it would also take you longer to align for a warp due to the agility penalty, and it would be easier to kill you due to the increased sig radius Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Oh, and for the record, I also think the script / Hactor combo is unbalanced. But addressing it by allowing WCS to become infinite strength as well is the height of inane forum comedy. Laughing Best suggestion I've seen so far is giving the FWD script a sensor resolution penalty. Done right, it wouldn't impact the ships' anti-cap role at all, would still be useful for stopping other ships, but would keep it from being the end all and be all of gatecamping without special support. There's other possibilities too, but I like that one a lot. I love how in these kind of threads that everyone always ignores the sensible ideas and argues about the stupid ones instead.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.21 23:23:00 - [57] In a whine thread about interdictors being able to stop ships. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.21 23:48:00 - [58] heavy dictors are the mom/titan counter which is good. there scram anything ability is over powered. why have WCS in game for blockade runers at all? make the scripts for mom/titan only. in 0.0 is does not matter as you have dictors and scrams work fine and for low sec give them a double strength script so 1 point is then 2 and the short range scrams get a boost as if you do get them on you will have now 4 points screwing over most stab monkeys. but as they are the hold anything regardless of fittings for role is over powered, and out of balance there is no risk or counter.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.22 00:08:00 - [59] Originally by: cal nereus Scripts are supposed to be a positive-negative exchange between two bonuses. That doesn't work with warp core stabilizers. Besides, how often are you going to run into a Heavy Dictor? And without support no less? 2 gatecamps every 3 after the first week and 5 every 6 after the second? How much 0.0 gatecamps you encounter without a bubble?
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.22 00:12:00 - [60] Originally by: Thaneal Swiftbird Originally by: cal nereus Besides, how often are you going to run into a Heavy Dictor? And without support no less? Uhm... everywhere, on every freaking gate? Because they are gankers wet dream and everyone and his grandmother will fly them? And support? Who will have the nerves to support the average trader on his daily routines? Who is gonna scout day after day for them? For free even? No matter what brilliant corp you are in, you can not tell me, that your mates will devote their playtime exclusively to you every single day. And if not for free, how are traders gonna pay for another players time? Trading can be fun and profitable, but it is not really an endless ISK fountain. Especially not in a transport/industrial with their small cargo-holds. 0.0 alliance are already crying to the idea of escorting frigate hauls, and those at least will move a lot of cargo. Who will escort industrials or the new recruits coming in 0.0?

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