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minanet
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.01.31 01:50:00 -
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Quick question :
If any of u experienced miners had to do a low sec mining op .
How would u do it , how would u set it up ?
Thanks in advance |
Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:10:00 -
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Out of curiousity, why are you planning on mining in lowsec? The ores aren't drastically better than ones available in highsec, but the danger is vastly increased.
Now, if you absolutely must do it, I would start out by finding a quiet system with extremely minimal traffic; dead-end systems or detour systems are good, while pipe systems are bad. Also, ensure that it has a station, so that everybody can dock up if **** hits the fan.
When moving your mining ships into the system, use scouts in cheap frigates or shuttles to jump in first, so that if there's a camp you won't lose your ships horribly.
Once you're set up in your belt, watch local like a hawk. If anybody not in your corp/alliance enters local, everybody warp to the station and dock up ASAP. Don't bother trying to organize a defense fleet; it's simply safer to dock up and wait for the danger to pass. Once local is clear again, you're free to head back out to the belt and continue your mining.
I would also recommend using ships like Covetors rather than Hulks. Sure, Hulks mine about ~10% more, but risking a 200mil ship as opposed to a 30mil one for such little increased profits isn't really worth it imo. I probably also wouldn't bother with an Orca.
Also, make sure to use scouts again upon leaving the lowsec system. |
minanet
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:43:00 -
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Roosterton wrote:Out of curiousity, why are you planning on mining in lowsec? The ores aren't drastically better than ones available in highsec, but the danger is vastly increased.
Now, if you absolutely must do it, I would start out by finding a quiet system with extremely minimal traffic; dead-end systems or detour systems are good, while pipe systems are bad. Also, ensure that it has a station, so that everybody can dock up if **** hits the fan.
When moving your mining ships into the system, use scouts in cheap frigates or shuttles to jump in first, so that if there's a camp you won't lose your ships horribly.
Once you're set up in your belt, watch local like a hawk. If anybody not in your corp/alliance enters local, everybody warp to the station and dock up ASAP. Don't bother trying to organize a defense fleet; it's simply safer to dock up and wait for the danger to pass. Once local is clear again, you're free to head back out to the belt and continue your mining.
I would also recommend using ships like Covetors rather than Hulks. Sure, Hulks mine about ~10% more, but risking a 200mil ship as opposed to a 30mil one for such little increased profits isn't really worth it imo. I probably also wouldn't bother with an Orca.
Also, make sure to use scouts again upon leaving the lowsec system.
I agree with u . just trying to make a point . thanks , anyone else ?? |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
461
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:58:00 -
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minanet wrote:I agree with u . just trying to make a point . thanks , anyone else ??
OK, don't keep us guessing. What's the 'point' you're wanting to make?
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minanet
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:12:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:minanet wrote:I agree with u . just trying to make a point . thanks , anyone else ?? OK, don't keep us guessing. What's the 'point' you're wanting to make?
I argued with someone about the subject . Dont want to get in the details ... but if u would please leave your opinion on the thread it would be much apreciated . |
Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
200
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:24:00 -
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You basically need to park a complete combat fleet on grid with you, preferably with some ECM included to ensure the barges have time to align and warp out. Use T1 barges and industrials to pick up from jet cans. Don't even risk the Hulks. The payoff will not be worth it, and in any event a low sec "mining op" has more value if it's really just a trap for careless pirates.
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction
Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:31:00 -
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Mine Arkanor in a wormhole system. More ISK, less risk so long as you don't mind giving yourself carpel tunnel from clicking the scan button every 2 seconds.
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
33
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:33:00 -
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When I was experimenting with mining back in my slightly less nooby days I decided it would be a good idea to solo mine in my vexor while in a random low-sec system.
About five seconds after I started mining a harby showed up and blew me up in about 3 seconds.
Don't ever mine in low-sec. Even if you have a fleet protecting you, you are still taking a major risk.
If you want to mine outside of hi-sec, head to null but be smart about it. Find a nice isolated system and if any PVP activity has happened there in the past 24 hours, don't go there.
If you decide to go solo, make sure you are the only one in the system, even if there is only one other person, the sight of a mining ship on the scanner will make him want to grab some stuff to blow you up.
Honestly though, if you want to be truly safe, join a decent null-sec corp that has some control over a system, whether it be sov or a simple display of force and mine there I guess.
But low-sec is really just asking to get ganked.
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Katherine Starlight
Apex Tech
Xenogenesis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:45:00 -
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mining belts in lowsec is outright sucide.
If even considered dear god do spawn some nice grav sites to our brave miners. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:05:00 -
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It would need heavy CAP, even though the numbers of enemies would increase as time went on until even the CAP was overwhelmed and once that is done they would feed on juicy mining ships.
Would be a great way to start a massive fight in low sec with all the T1 ships running in for a kill I suppose. Maybe if a competent player FC couple use the mining op for bait it would be awesome and for sure the salvage and modules from the baited would be worth more than the mining op so.... |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:09:00 -
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Mining has been nerfed so hard in this game to make it pathetic. The worst thing they did was taking Ice out of high sec like any other ore to keep Null Sec Epeens happy. Now Moons and Null sec have an absolute hand on the nads of mining and T2.
Don't see any Nullsec Tard CSM speaking of that.
Oh and yeah the few spots for Ice in upper sec is pathetic before anyone says otherwise. Not only Ice either, nerfed to hell to make 0.0 happy. |
Samuel Briar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:22:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Mining has been nerfed so hard in this game to make it pathetic. The worst thing they did was taking Ice out of high sec like any other ore to keep Null Sec Epeens happy. Now Moons and Null sec have an absolute hand on the nads of mining and T2.
Don't see any Nullsec Tard CSM speaking of that.
Oh and yeah the few spots for Ice in upper sec is pathetic before anyone says otherwise. Not only Ice either, nerfed to hell to make 0.0 happy.
It's the same Ice as before they removed all ice from systems with security greater than 0.7. Bad ice goes in highsec where there's minimal risk if you're not a ******, good ice goes where the risk is. |
Purehydro
Fengjia Night Market
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:44:00 -
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If you're going to mine in LS, then live in LS. I wrote a nice thoughtful informative post and the website ate it. 
Get a POS, ratting ships and cloaky hauler or JF. I'd honestly probably mine glare crust instead of LS ores as they aren't all that much better than mining Pyroxeres. Pick a nice off the beaten path system and get to know the people living their from their POS's and who the pirates are. Dotlan will help greatly with the ability to check jumps and kills within the last 24 hrs.
If you just want to mine, then join a NS alliance. The pay is better. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2012.01.31 07:09:00 -
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Mining in low sec, I've seen it sure. Only managed to get a couple miner kills.
If you're thinking about it, then get smarter, the Risk to a mining op in low sec is stupidly high, the reward is pretty much 10% more than high sec. So unless your in a empty pocket or blue to EVERYONE around, mine in high sec or null. |
minanet
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.01.31 07:57:00 -
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Thank you to all who took their time to post . great advice there . |
Khaine Beralt
Wolves Of Legend
Reborn Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.31 11:32:00 -
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Just don't. |
Dirk Smacker
Black Talon Aerospace
Black Watch.
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Posted - 2012.01.31 11:52:00 -
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If you live in a very quiet low sec system, you can possibly do enough opportunistic ninja mining to meet the zyd, nocx, and iso needs of a solo manufacturer.
Other than that, low sec mining is PI.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
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Posted - 2012.01.31 18:27:00 -
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The standard/smart answer is; Just dont.
While low sec ore is slightly better than HS, once you calculate the time wasted warping out to a pos or safe every time a neut jumps into local you end up loosing isk/hour. Combine this with isk splits for the people doing BG work and I find it very hard to believe it's worth your while.
Exxcept, if you scan out a very above average grav site. In a perfect circumstance where the system is a dead end with no stations and no active worm holes it just barely might be worth the effort. Do not assume you're safe just because you're not in a belt. If you scanned it out chances are someone else has to so you might not get any warning with combat probes on d-scan. Grab the high end stuff and gtfo.
Start by making off grid safes then bm'ing the high end roids so the miners can warp right on top of them. You'll also need safes in every system on the route to the site.
Best fleet comp is a cov ops or recon to scout you in then watch the gate for visitors, then as much e-war as you can bring, then the mining ships. Blackbirds/falcons are best, celestis/arazu with scan res dampening are decent.
On the off shoot chance you're a Ernest Hemingway type maniac just looking for adventure, Vexor gang is best. 3 mining lasers, 2 med neuts. 2 Heavy armor rep drones, 5 mining drones, and 5 warrior 2's. 4 man gang can chain 8 heavy drones repping with 12 warriors attacking which will scare/kill most pirates away and make for lots of lulz.
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
45
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:41:00 -
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If you want to save a bunch of time and end up with the same total profit, undock your mining ships and just self destruct. No need to travel X jumps to lowsec and you end up with the same profit which, admittedly, is in the red. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction
Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:54:00 -
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Katherine Starlight wrote:mining belts in lowsec is outright sucide.
If even considered dear god do spawn some nice grav sites to our brave miners.
Back in my mining days I used to mine Gneiss in lowsec grav sites pretty regularly. Was pretty good ISK actually. But I was smart about it and watched my d-scan like a hawk.
These days you can do the same thing in wormhole grav sites and make way more money mining A/B/C ores.
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MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:44:00 -
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I've mined in Low sec.
Make safe spots on either side of the asteroid belt(s)
You scout ahead with a ship and pick the asteroids you want in the belt. (fast small ship, minor tank, and a survey scanner) making positioned bookmarks to mine them.
These bookmarks should allow you to be moving towards a safe spot at all times at 75% speed.
Once you get too far away from the roid reverse course to the opposite safe spot. (repeat until hold is full).
Fit enough tank to handle the rats, bring drones to kill them if they get too bad.
If you kill rats pop the wrecks to avoid advertising your presence anymore than needed.
When someone enters local, move to safe spot and start to D-scan, don't stay in the belt to wait and see what they do.
If you see combat probes move to safe spots away from the belts.
If they don't leave then dock up.
If you feel the need to jet can make sure to do so at a nearby safespot.
Make sure to have an instant warp out point from the operating station.
Be prepared to run and hide a lot.
I know I left a battleship in this station. Wait, you can put ships in Station Containers? ****! I just trashed them. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
462
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Posted - 2012.02.01 01:44:00 -
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minanet wrote:If any of u experienced miners had to do a low sec mining op.
How would u do it, how would u set it up?
Not sure what your 'point' might be trying to be, but if I were considering a lowsec belt mining op I would approach it by hoping someone sensible talked me out of it ... perhaps suggesting ninja-mining w-space instead.
By and large the risk:return on lowsec mining is just not worth it. Sure, there are special situations where it might be ok ... but you may as well mine hisec.
It may seem bizarre but IMO w-space mining, well managed, is lower risk and the return is much, much better. In w-space there are no asteroid belt beacons that just anyone can warp to. To hassle you someone needs to either get some probes out, or have the locations already bookmarked, or to bubble the wormhole and catch you there ... in each situation you usually get more warning than at a lowsec belt. Of course lowsec mining is fairly safe while there is absolutely no-one else in the system.
IMO the main use for lowsec ore belts is that they provide rats for ppl wanting to buff their sec-status a bit ... but the nullsec rats are better for that too.
Grav sigs in lowsec are a slightly better proposition, but they are not that common. At least at a grav site, like those in w-space, someone needs to scan you down or to already have the site scanned down if they're wanting to come gank you. Still, even the better empire grav sites are not great compared to the lower-end w-space ones.
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ink haktek
Clan Ice Raven
Sons of Odin.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 09:37:00 -
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my idea of mining in low sec: kill the miner then take his ore :) |
Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.02.01 14:01:00 -
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Well, you and your pals coud try mining in Nenna, how'bout that? It's preety cozy here... Lots of belts!
Done, signature edited with perfection!... |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:06:00 -
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I would do it AFK in top belt Nisuwa. |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:48:00 -
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The only reason to mine in Lowsec that isn't blatantly crazy is for the purpose of manufacturing goods and selling them locally, and even then you're better off getting most of your minerals by melting rat loot. This is assuming it's not just safer to haul in goods or mterials. I don't think there is a point if you have a blockade runner or if you're making lots of ISK and can jump the stuff in. |
Khadrea Shakor
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
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Posted - 2012.02.03 08:51:00 -
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Your reasons to go mining in lowsec are not our concern.
- pick a dead end system
- scout it (bookmarks, at range to gate, safespots, mining spots away from belt warp-ins, etc.)
- cyno in Rorqual
- erect tower (medium)
- bring in miners in shuttles
- board Covetors (5) from Rorqual
- place cloaked scout on gate(s)
- mine
- compress
- be alert
Good luck. |
Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.02.03 11:37:00 -
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Kessiaan wrote:Katherine Starlight wrote:mining belts in lowsec is outright sucide.
If even considered dear god do spawn some nice grav sites to our brave miners. Back in my mining days I used to mine Gneiss in lowsec grav sites pretty regularly. Was pretty good ISK actually. But I was smart about it and watched my d-scan like a hawk. These days you can do the same thing in wormhole grav sites and make way more money mining A/B/C ores.
one guy who has to say such interesting.
if one could say such about the relationship of system sec status and the ore in it, this threat could start to make sence.
thx |
Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.02.03 12:34:00 -
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Khadrea Shakor wrote:Your reasons to go mining in lowsec are not our concern.
- pick a dead end system
- scout it (bookmarks, at range to gate, safespots, mining spots away from belt warp-ins, etc.)
- cyno in Rorqual
- erect tower (medium)
- bring in miners in shuttles
- board Covetors (5) from Rorqual
- place cloaked scout on gate(s)
- mine
- compress
- be alert
Good luck.
also be careful with dead end systems. there are attractive for a reason. means often the neighborhood is even more nasty then the traffic would be.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
814
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Posted - 2012.02.03 16:30:00 -
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My old corp had an ongoing mining op in lowsec for two months. It was great...until we realized we couldn't manage the flow of ore through the 4-jump pipe into highsec. Lowsec station refining efficiency penalties need to be dropped. |
Tjemjak
Hendrix Angels
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Posted - 2012.02.03 16:40:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:My old corp had an ongoing mining op in lowsec for two months. It was great...until we realized we couldn't manage the flow of ore through the 4-jump pipe into highsec. Lowsec station refining efficiency penalties need to be dropped.
interesting, how did u guys mine? with lots of pvp support and camping gates? or rather using all pilots for mining and dock up if local gets busy?
3 jumps to make sounds not impossible to me. |
Devil tiger
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Posted - 2012.02.03 22:07:00 -
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My advice:
Get a cruiser and rat until hauler spawn appears, kill it and loot the 3mil ore from it.
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WeiLing TCG
GR3Y N0MADS
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Posted - 2012.02.04 18:02:00 -
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Sorry in advance if I mention anything mentioned already.
Well to avoid gankers, think like one. Most lowsec pirates (me) are (relatively) lazy people who like to roam around a central home system.
Use scouts always. One does not simply lemming a hulk into lowsec.
Try choosing a system thats in a dead end pocket on a branch off a pipe. That way most roamers simply traverse the pipe, often passing over the branches. Also, those said branches are easier to scout, having only one entrance/exit (barring wormholes).
Another tactic is to get cushy with the local pirates or even become one yourself. Its not hard to negotiate some kind of deal, cheaper ships/mods in return for leaving you alone.
Also, do not convince yourself that you can protect your mining operation. You will not be able to. Do not delude yourself by having a gang with you. With the proliferation of capitals, hotdrops are fairly common, and that orca is a juicy target indeed, said gang not able to help out when said hotdrop happens. Point is, people can always bring more. Your safety is reliant on stealth, and having more people in system and undocked will show up on the star map like a sore thumb, and people (like me) will come knocking. If you must have a ship with you, take a falcon.
Another thing: keep your operations mobile and flexible. Do not have an elaborate pos system setup thats time consuming to setup and take down. Keep it simple so that if you find you are being afk camped by people (like me) your operations are not halted.
Try as much as possible to do grav sites (when profitable). You will find an inordinate number of people looking for kills but not having been fit with probe launchers.
One that really gets to me: if trouble comes knocking in the form of a gang, be douchebags and undock a fantastic number of falcons and carriers and dps ships and sit on the undock and fondle everyone. They'll take the hint.
Warp disruptor range is about 24km, overheated 28.8. Try to position your fleet at a distance further than that from the belt warp in. And if you must have an orca in the belt, have it be 100MN MWD fit so you can warp it off in 10 seconds. Do not put the rorqual in the belt.
Once, again apologies if anything has been said before or if I mentioned something that would be unviable given your conditions. |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
29
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Posted - 2012.02.04 21:15:00 -
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Low sec mining is posible and here is how:
1. You want a corp that manufactures and has pvp.
2. Corp needs to live in low sec. (( Sec status issues ))
3. System being mined needs to be a dead end system.
4. Own the entire area. (( Clear all others from your 2-3 systems ))
5. Have your pvp camp the entrance to your area. (( Hopefully choke point is two jumps out ))
Simply put you need to be a low sec pirate corp that manufactures it's own goods to make mining in low sec worth it.
Orca's can and should be used when opperating in this fashion.
Keeping a good ecm ship with the mining fleet is a good idea.
Station in system is a must. |
Caramba789
Ants
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:36:00 -
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Scan down an exploration mining site. It is hidden and takes time to prob you out rather then being jumped in a belt:).
Once you see probes of any kind you pick it up and dock up.
So yes you can mine in piece in low sec but not in a regular belt. On the up side there are enough hidden ladar sites to keep you happy as hardly nobody mines them.
GL in your advantures and my the force be with you. |
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