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RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement 100	Posted - 2011.09.06 11:54:00 - [1] - Quote Invention results are not what you think, - this is not a whine - it's a statement Invention results tend towards the projected amounts with variance I've had 1x11/11 success 1x 10/10 Success 2 x 9/9 fail 1x 10/10 fail I have 3 character I use for invention one with with a base rate for 40% and using no decryptors 5/5/5 one 5/5/4 and one 4/4/4 Char expect\| Total \| Since last patch 4/4/4 48.26 \| 49.70 \| 36.36 4/5/5 49.56 \| 49.78 \| 48.44 5/5/5 50.40 \| 47.95 \| 52.83 Char expect\| Total \| Since last patch 4/4/4 48.26 \| 49.47 \| 35.38 4/5/5 49.56 \| 49.71 \| 47.95 5/5/5 50.40 \| 48.44 \| 52.05 http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
Xearal SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.09.06 15:49:00 - [2] - Quote RaTTuS wrote: Waaah invention has been nerfed since the last patch it's a conspiracy! How big are your sample sizes? unless it's over 9000, a statistical analysis isn't all that usefull.
Meleric Verteidiger des wahren Bloedsinns Universal Constant Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.09.06 15:51:00 - [3] - Quote I've watched my invention results the last months with concern. Mostly I get 3 to 4 Buzzards out of 10 runs, sometimes less. There were better times. Skills are 5/5/5. No use of decryptors. Are there other ways to get better results? Is there an implant?
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement 100	Posted - 2011.09.06 15:58:00 - [4] - Quote Xearal wrote: How big are your sample sizes? unless it's over 9000, a statistical analysis isn't all that usefull. since last patch size is small - 172 , total is >3000 [I've got to re-organise my spreadsheet a bit now so exact figures are meh] http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
Levistus Junior Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos 0	Posted - 2011.09.06 17:54:00 - [5] - Quote I don't have any hard figures(don't keep track of how many BPCs I get per run) but I have the same feeling. I invent modules with 3/3/3 skills, so the chance is 46.14%. That's 4-5 BPCs out of a 9 job run. Since the last patch my amount of BPCs has consistently been below average (never above than 5, but pretty often below 4) so I do feel the chance has decreased.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat 11	Posted - 2011.09.06 20:12:00 - [6] - Quote It is probably ship bonuses not being applied.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 14	Posted - 2011.09.06 22:09:00 - [7] - Quote Confirming the new forums are nerfing invention rates (and officer spawns and faction loot drops).
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.06 23:36:00 - [8] - Quote Because of door.
Zifrian Deep Space Innovations 1	Posted - 2011.09.07 02:04:00 - [9] - Quote Xearal wrote: RaTTuS wrote: Waaah invention has been nerfed since the last patch it's a conspiracy! How big are your sample sizes? unless it's over 9000, a statistical analysis isn't all that usefull. 9000 is overkill 1000 is sufficent
Lutz Major 4	Posted - 2011.09.07 06:40:00 - [10] - Quote Zifrian wrote: 1000 is sufficent yes ... just like 640KB should be enough for everyone.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat 11	Posted - 2011.09.07 17:31:00 - [11] - Quote Zifrian wrote: Xearal wrote: RaTTuS wrote: Waaah invention has been nerfed since the last patch it's a conspiracy! How big are your sample sizes? unless it's over 9000, a statistical analysis isn't all that usefull. 9000 is overkill 1000 is sufficent For the internet meme impaired: Urban Dictionary wrote: 7. over 9000 Over 9000 is a term used to express a great amount of skill, strength, speed, etc. The term originated from the anime show Dragonball Z when Nappa asks Vegeta what his scouter ( a device used in Dragonball to measure the power level, or battle strength, of someone) said about Goku's power level. Vegeta's scouter was designed to pick up a power level up to 9000 whereas Goku's power level was "over 9000" which was what he told Nappa. Goku shows up Nappa: Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level? Vegeta: It's over 9000!!!!! Vegeta removes and crushes scouter Nappa: What, 9000?! There's no way that can be right!
Lutz Major 4	Posted - 2011.09.08 06:17:00 - [12] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: ... exceptional knowledge for a grown up man about a childrens anime show ... I hope, that you 'just stumbled' over this bit of information or have a young son/daughter, who watches that piece of ... uhm ... culture
RIP Wash FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord 0	Posted - 2011.09.08 17:54:00 - [13] - Quote DBZ came out in the 80's, maybe he just has a good memory.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat 11	Posted - 2011.09.08 18:11:00 - [14] - Quote Lutz Major wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: ... exceptional knowledge for a grown up man about a childrens anime show ... I hope, that you 'just stumbled' over this bit of information or have a young son/daughter, who watches that piece of ... uhm ... culture I am very good at searching via Google
Lutz Major 4	Posted - 2011.09.08 18:43:00 - [15] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: I am very good at searching via Google I tried google and just found this: http://pictureisunrelated.memebase.com/tag/overkill-9000/ Which by the way I found surprisingly funny
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement 105	Posted - 2011.09.13 14:59:00 - [16] - Quote Updated because of new patch since last is very thin ;-p Char expect\| Total \| Since last patch 4/4/4 48.26 \| 49.78 \| 40.00 4/5/5 49.56 \| 49.56 \| 44.44 5/5/5 50.40 \| 47.80 \| 25.00 http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
beor oranes The Capitalist Protectorate Mad Scientists 0	Posted - 2011.09.14 11:23:00 - [17] - Quote I haven't done invention in a couple of months but I did do it for about 2 years. After every patch I always used to pay more attention the my results to see if there had been any changes and if I was getting worse results. Ever time I got low results I would be like "they changed something and its screwing me over" and then I would forget about the good results. Then I would look back over the results before the patch and only see the good results and compare them to my failures after the patch. It wasn't until I averaged over the year to see that my results were always within 1% of the predicted result. Honestly, I think its because we expect to see a deviation from the norm we forget that it is random chance and that you can just be very unlucky for awhile and get bad results. I remember after one patch was was getting around 10% above the predicted on average for about 2 weeks...I was well stoked! On a separate note; I'm sure its me imagining it but it appeared to me that my guys with worse skills always did better than my maxed out guy. Though I could never be bothered to actually test that theory.
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement 105	Posted - 2011.09.14 11:33:00 - [18] - Quote beor oranes wrote: ... Ever time I got low results I would be like "they changed something and its screwing me over" and then I would forget about the good results. Then I would look back over the results before the patch and only see the good results and compare them to my failures after the patch. It wasn't until I averaged over the year to see that my results were always within 1% of the predicted result. ^ which is one reason I've made this thread as we always seem to get patch screwed my invention threads... I am running fairly good results [I'm happy] however the character with 5/5/5 skills does seem to have less than predicted results than with of the other 2 , now that character has less total inventions on the modules measured by this test [by quite a lot] so is within error [he gets to invent other stuff not covered by this test]. Char expect\| Total \| Since last patch 4/4/4 48.26 \| 49.95 \| 52.63 4/5/5 49.56 \| 50.19 \| 44.44 5/5/5 50.40 \| 47.55 \| 25.00 http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
Zifrian Deep Space Innovations 1	Posted - 2011.09.14 14:19:00 - [19] - Quote Oh god....how did I miss the 'over 9000' reference?..../facepalm
beor oranes The Capitalist Protectorate Mad Scientists 1	Posted - 2011.09.14 21:34:00 - [20] - Quote RaTTuS wrote: however the character with 5/5/5 skills does seem to have less than predicted results than with of the other 2 I did actually stop training my other invention chars to have all 5/5/5 skills as I was convinced that it actually had a negative affect on the outcome of inventions. I do remember inventing with one char that had 2/2/2 skills for awhile (I thought it had better skills and just didn't check) and I consistently came out with above average results for about a week. The other thing I noticed (I cant back this up with facts and numbers however) about invention was that I always had one or 2 modules that ended up with less successes than others and a couple which always had more successes.

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