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PieOh Pah
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Posted - 2007.11.22 15:02:00 -
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I have tact sh man at lvl 4 is it worth training to lvl5? I fly Cald and galle ships and am due to start flying hacs and recon for both in the next couple of weeks.I have 20M SP and 3M in Egineering already.
Thanks for any advice,
Pie
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.11.22 15:42:00 -
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It is not worth training that skill to level V. The skill itself hardly gives any benefit - certainly not enough to justify training it to V for that reason alone. The only reason to train it to V is to be able to fit I-forgot-which-capital-ship-module on your Dread/Carrier/Mom/Titan. =AFK=
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Arthalion Thoidon
Caldari Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.22 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador It is not worth training that skill to level V. The skill itself hardly gives any benefit - certainly not enough to justify training it to V for that reason alone. The only reason to train it to V is to be able to fit I-forgot-which-capital-ship-module on your Dread/Carrier/Mom/Titan.
That module would be the capital shield booster and for the rest of your post, gonna have to agree. As most people who hang around here probably would.
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Pitt Bull
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador It is not worth training that skill to level V. The skill itself hardly gives any benefit - certainly not enough to justify training it to V for that reason alone.
Maybe not to you, but to a Caldari pilot who focuses on their shield defenses, Tactical Shield Manipulation V will completely prevent damage to your armor even when shield strength is under 25%. It might be a long train time, but its not worthless.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.22 19:58:00 -
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for passive fit drake and nighthawk running missions it might be advisable otherwise i dont really see much of a point outside of capital ships.
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Arthalion Thoidon
Caldari Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.22 20:19:00 -
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Hmm, even in the scenarios in the 2 post above this one I don't see the use of tactical shield manipulation.
I shield tank( usually active) all the time and I hate to see my shields drop below about 33%, because that's when shields recharge most efficiently and therefore my tank is at its bets. So, and this is true for both active and passive tanks, by the time your shields drop below 33% your ability to tank only gets worse and if whatever-you're-tanking can break through your best tank than it can finish the last bit too. So getting my shields below that 33%, and more so for 25% when the skill starts kicking, is a sign for me, and I can't imagine I'm alone in this, to get out fast.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar AFK
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Posted - 2007.11.22 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pitt Bull
Originally by: Estel Arador It is not worth training that skill to level V. The skill itself hardly gives any benefit - certainly not enough to justify training it to V for that reason alone.
Maybe not to you, but to a Caldari pilot who focuses on their shield defenses, Tactical Shield Manipulation V will completely prevent damage to your armor even when shield strength is under 25%. It might be a long train time, but its not worthless.
I fly mostly Minmatar, but I've never in my career done anything but shield tank. TSM at lvl4 will make sure you won't get armour damage until your shields drop below 5%, at which point it's time to get the hell out since you're probably only seconds away from taking serious armour damage. No doubt there's something more useful to do than spending weeks just to be able to squeeze that last 5% out of your shields. =AFK=
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:25:00 -
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its a pre-skill for cap ships, otherwise train to 4 and move on to the really important things.
In pvp, if you are at 25% shields and failing, you are either dead, or you are going to get out on fire - its not the shields that are going to save you at that point. . . -----------
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Squatdog
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Posted - 2007.11.24 04:12:00 -
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Don't forget that Tactical Shield Manipluation 4 is pre-requisite for using Tech2 Invulnerability Field
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Hecto Stormcrest
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Posted - 2007.11.25 00:49:00 -
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Don't even bother training to V imo
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.11.25 15:06:00 -
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Aside from the modules that have it as a pre-req it's one of the most useless skill in EVE.
As a passive shield tanker you want damage to leak through to your armor so your regen stays higher.
As an active shield tanker you should be warping out by the time your shield gets that low.
As an armor tanker you really couldn't care less. Shield is usually totally stripped anyway in a few seconds.
So unless you need it for the cap ships, you don't train this skill over level 4.
Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw As a passive shield tanker you want damage to leak through to your armor so your regen stays higher.
But since your armor has worse resists/HP, wouldn't you want to keep that damage on your shields? With worse resists, wouldn't that mean that it takes more of an HP hit?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:40:00 -
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Also the devs have already stated that the damage that leaks through is in addition, not in lieu of, the damage done to the shields
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Taedrin
Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:32:00 -
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Technically, tactical shield manipulation makes you a less effective passive shield tank. The reason? Your shields reach peak recharge at around 30-40% capacity. When damage leaks from shields to armor, less damage is dealt to your shields, thus keeping them at a higher recharge rate (0% vs 20% shield capacity is a HUGE difference in shield recharge rate).
However, since by the time your shields are below 30%, your passive tank has already been broken and you are dying anyways. So it doesn't matter that much.
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Imaos
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Posted - 2007.11.27 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin Technically, tactical shield manipulation makes you a less effective passive shield tank. The reason? Your shields reach peak recharge at around 30-40% capacity. When damage leaks from shields to armor, less damage is dealt to your shields, thus keeping them at a higher recharge rate (0% vs 20% shield capacity is a HUGE difference in shield recharge rate).
To bad that this is a myth. Bleeding through is additional damage to the armor. The shields get hit for the same amount tac skill or not. The skill helps to avoid the additional damage to the armor and so might help your survivability a little. (In close fights every bit armor might help)
Originally by: Taedrin
However, since by the time your shields are below 30%, your passive tank has already been broken and you are dying anyways. So it doesn't matter that much.
It could be that little bit that helps you reach warp or finish the the fight in hull instead of pod.
Imaos ------------------------------------------
Originally by: NoNah
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Apollyonn
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.11.28 15:55:00 -
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I think its already been said, but only if you plan on flying Caldari or Minmatar Capital ships. Otherwise, dont waste your time. Fleet Admiral |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:16:00 -
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It's almost, but not quite, entirely useless and pointless.
Given the enormous number of skills out there, it's definitely not worth training to V unless you need it as a pre-req for something.
Given that 33% is the peak recharge for your shield, if you drop down to 25% you are either hosed or will have to warp out anyway, as you're clearly taking more damage than your tank can handle.
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manasi
Caldari Valhalla Navy Technical Institute
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Posted - 2007.11.28 18:13:00 -
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I agree with Pit Bull if passive shield tanking is "your thing" then 5 makes sense...if going to a capital class is also "your thing" now. dont forget train your long skills on the Eve of the 4th of Dec.
Originally by: Pitt Bull
Originally by: Estel Arador It is not worth training that skill to level V. The skill itself hardly gives any benefit - certainly not enough to justify training it to V for that reason alone.
Maybe not to you, but to a Caldari pilot who focuses on their shield defenses, Tactical Shield Manipulation V will completely prevent damage to your armor even when shield strength is under 25%. It might be a long train time, but its not worthless.
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Cain Calzon
Caldari Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.28 18:35:00 -
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it doesnt matter what the skill do, since last i checked the bonuses was non-working. the only reason to take it up lvl4 or even lvl5 has allready been established. to use Invulnerability Field T2 and Capital Shield Booster.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.28 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cain Calzon it doesnt matter what the skill do, since last i checked the bonuses was non-working. the only reason to take it up lvl4 or even lvl5 has allready been established. to use Invulnerability Field T2 and Capital Shield Booster.
No, the bonus from the skill was fixed a while back. You just need to check more often.
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