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Rex Tackett
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Posted - 2007.11.23 17:58:00 -
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Gentlemen,
I come seeking advice from the purest of the pure, the true predators of New Eden, the piratical community.
I have sat on my backside for too long, weighing up the pros and cons of which profession to take but there is only one real option, to trim down my waistline and get the blood pumping, killing others is the place to be.
None of that namby pamby building stuff, the threat of mining makes my heart weak, I seek blood to slake my thirst.
My question is simple - is this possible from day one or must my poor body sit ideally by and continue to waste away whilst juicy targets meander on their fat, obnoxious way in total safety from my guns?
I do not expect to be taught the ways of the pirate, we are all alpha predators and it would be foolish of you to do so but I shall gratefully accept any tips you may pass on to a fellow buccaneer of deep space.
The time for talking has finished, now it is the time for action.
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Darkopteron
Fatalix Inc. THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:11:00 -
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Yes. Train the required skills for warp disruptor, then jump in a rifter. Just get used to dieing, a lot.
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General Coochie
New Justice Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.11.23 18:16:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 23/11/2007 18:18:20 To PvP and actually blow upp ships the first day is probably quite hard.
You can however only do criminal activities from day one. Start by stealing ore. When you got the skills to fly and tackle with a T1 frig start stealing or, maybe ransom the ore or try and kill the mining barges if they take it back or shoot at you. I think its quite common though and most miners probably know what to do about it, then again I often hear "how did you find me" when I probe someone in a mission so I guess theres ppl around who still dont have a clue.
When you got that far you can start going to low sec and try find some noobs in cruisers. Always ransom, the loot will give you nothing. Today with riggs etc its always better to ransom IMO. Like today I was gonna get 50m from a myrmidon but the rats got him and I ended upp with 3mill in loot split with another guy and my alt. Also the good loot "ALWAYS" gets destroyed.
Then just work your way up. For a player who knows eve its probably possible to make a living as a pirate/criminal from day one but for a new player I think its almost impossible. There are a lot of game mechanics you have to learn and experience before you can make iskies being a criminal.
So my advice is to get a feeling for the game first, do a few missions etc, learn what the modules and ships are. Make some isk, cause you do make alot more isk doing missions then you do pirating noobs in cruisers. Signature removed - please reduce your signature graphic height to less than 120 pixels - Jacques([email protected]) |
Ka Jolo
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:46:00 -
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Sure, you can pirate from day 1. T1 frigate piracy is alive and well in lowsec (or flipping cans in highsec). A Rifter, Incursus, Punisher, or Kestrel are ships that can single-handedly take out other T1 frigates, industrials, mining barges, some cruisers, and even the occasional battlecruiser. Initially, your targets will be people as new as you are, or newer. Most people I see ratting or mining in lowsec are too new to understand the danger, and should make enticing targets for the likes of you.
Fit your ship for gank, start getting on-the-job practice with the on-board scanner, and be sure to have the holy trinity of tackling: MWD, warp disruptor, and stasis webifier. Don't bother with ransoms unless you are taking down a mining barge; most other ships you'll be taking at first just aren't valuable enough for the pilot to pay a ransom.
Check out the website linked in my signature. =)
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strive nails
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:55:00 -
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i think i started after 3 days. ran missions and got some basic learning + pvp skills done and built up a little isk buffer to replace my rifters :)
never been back in highsec since (cept for shuttle travelling :p) strive nails - pod killer and implant trader
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.11.25 12:13:00 -
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I dunno... DayOne is a pretty old character... doubt you'll be able to pirate from him
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.11.25 23:56:00 -
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of course you can, and this gets asked all the time. As said, just get a warp disruptor and fit a rifter/punisher/incursus(hell, my first kill was in a kestrel). You could try can flipping in high sec(but watch out for drones), or hitting up some low sec belts/anomalies.
If you do your homework before jumping into the ship(and if you actually WANT TO LEARN instead of not trying to learn and getting frustrated), you will be better off than some tard that has been playing for months or years and is asking "durrrr how did you do that?"
Before I got eve I was reading about it for a week or two(forums, player made guides, pirate sites), and I got my first solo pirate kill on my first or second day.
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Hypatia Iola
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 00:14:00 -
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i know this definitively: you CAN kill someone with a day old character. a couple of newbies in my corp were looking for a fight, so i created an alt to give them a fight (nothing serious, figured they could handle it) hopped in a rocket kestrel with a frigate level of 4, fitted kinetic rockets, 2 small shield extender f5-9s and a tech 2 booster. that lowly alt managed to kill the rifter of the character in question: no skills, no scram, nothing, mind you, in the lows. afterwards i told them it was me and paid for their ship. twas HEEL-ARIOUS
go for it yo.
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.11.26 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Wind Ictiva on 26/11/2007 00:23:24 yes you can.
however your victims will always escape from you (unless you can bump them).
dunno how many escaped in my first days until i learned there was a thing called a scram! scram! what a wonderful piece of machinery. train for a scram asap. then you¦re good.
edit: also stroking our epeens is ok, but try to be a bit more subtle about it:)
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
ChimeraRouge
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.11.26 00:27:00 -
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you guys are mostly talking about belt piracy right?
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2007.11.26 00:29:00 -
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i am at least.
but i guess things have changed a bit. dunno how easy it is to find targets (and not baits) in belts nowadays
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos
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Posted - 2007.11.26 10:44:00 -
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Yeah.. seing that gatecamping in a frig isn't all that bright and probing is also a couple of months in skills away I'd guess we are talking about belt piracy.
Yeah you will still find quite a lot of young players that don't quite realize the danger they are in flying frigs/destroyers/cruisers in belts. But be wary though, there is a lot of baiting as well so prepare to go down often. But hey.. a rifter is cheap and fun as hell to fly. Get propulsion jamming skills so you can use webbers and scramblers and get out there :)
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.26 11:33:00 -
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yes, T1 frigatte pvp "is alive" no, you won't do crap with 1 day old skills UNLESS you fly in nice groups
most people that claim they can pvp "just fine" in their rifters, have 6 month skills... into gunnery, into speed, into tank or whatever.
i once tried to kill a T1 hauler in a 3 day old character flying a rifter. i went totally out of ammo and wasn't even through his shield yet.
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Angela Goethrella
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:35:00 -
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I have the skills of a one day old, as my main refuses to train me any further (CURSE HIM!). Once I learned how to warp scramble, that was it. But I also kill with ruthless efficiency :) And pod what I can. As a day old character, your targets are anything that is smaller than a cruiser. And cruisers if they happen to be mining. And barges (take out the drones first) and exhumers (same thing about the drones)
For anything bigger, you will be the designated tackler, because well, that's about all you'll be good for. You need some decent skills to take on cruisers in a frigate, but it can be done :).
Just keep in the back of your brain at all times two things:
1) Its just a frigate..cheap and easy to replace. 2) You have no skills, so if you get podded, who cares.
Fearless attack, ruthless target selection, commit to your attack. You will be surprised at just what and how many people you can kill, and pod, and get hate mail and threats from.
Oh, and one last piece of advice. Once your sec drops like a stone past -5.0 stay away from stations and gates. Because you are a constant target to anyone, you can get surprised at these places. And frankly, a frigate isn't exactly known for its tanking abilities (unless you are in a punisher, at which point you are probably tough as nails) --
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Feyran Loa'thin
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:44:00 -
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"Is it possible to pirate from day one?"
Short answer: no Long answer: yes
Quote: "To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost." - Gustave Flaubert
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General Coochie
New Justice Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 16:32:00 -
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Probing doesn't take months of training. More like 2 weeks, tops. The T1 frig probers are excellent. --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Presidente Gallente
Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 26/11/2007 18:39:33 Without experience I doubt you will be very successful.
I read a +Pirate's Diary˝ a while ago [in German unfortunately and it's not online anymore :-(] where a 1 year old character tried a 14 days experiment if it's possible to be a successful pirate with a new alt called General Punix. The guy seemed to be very experienced in PvP but the most important thing was: he knew about the game mechanics and how to fight +cool without adrenaline and tunnel vision˝ :-)
To read the diary was hilarious. He killed many ships and wasn't killed within the 14 days in ships bigger than a shuttle and had chosen a dead end system in low-sec where he expected many Noobs. At this time the kill rights system [he sacrificed shuttles for that] was new to EVE and he used it very nasty like agressing drones of a Noob BS pilot at a station. He used mainly sentry support at the gates. The most funny part was that he invited a flagged pilot into a gang in his pod and did a gang warp to a gate where the noob died under sentry fire.
Awesome!
But to clarify: I don't support piracy! LOL
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:52:00 -
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Definitely. I started pirating long before I hit the 800k SP mark that you now start at. You're at a disadvantage but I find many players are so laughably inept at combat that intelligently fitted T1 frigates on a character with minimal SP can handle them.
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.26 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Tackett I do not expect to be taught the ways of the pirate, we are all alpha predators and it would be foolish of you to do so but I shall gratefully accept any tips you may pass on to a fellow buccaneer of deep space.
Piracy tips you say. *Points at sig*
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Kh4oS
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Posted - 2007.11.27 21:30:00 -
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I got my first kill at the 138k SP mark as far as I remember. I had played eve briefly before that on a test account so I did know the basics of the game and I was lucky enough to have a friend who had been playing for quite some time at that point who gave me some tips. After reading all that I could find between different piracy sites (www.eve-pirate.com ftw) and guides on the forums, I would say I knew how to handle most things before I had even begun.
I'm pretty sure it was luck, but not long after I first set foot in low sec I warped in ontop of a thrasher in a belt. Being in a rifter (although with a decent enough setup, thanks to some recommendations and some cash from one of my mates) I didn't think I stood much of a chance. To my surprise I managed to kill the guy...before having to log off until the adreneline subsided.
While I will say it is possible from day one, to have any sort of success you will have to do some serious research first...and have plenty of luck on your side
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Requiescat
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.11.27 21:37:00 -
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Jerk + 122k skillpoints + Determination = Rifter of Doom
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Victory - Honor = Loss
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mikeh24
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.11.27 22:31:00 -
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Oh yeah, you can pirate from day one. Just make sure you have a warp jammer fitted and expect to die pretty often unless you pick good targets. You could steal ore form high sec miners that sometimes could get exciteing but it probably gets boring fast. Though finding a good low sec with new players to the game (n00bs) and useing the gate/station guns to your advantage could be fun and give you a bigger reward than some ore.
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Tiesto Ipok
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2007.11.27 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: mikeh24 a bigger reward than some ore.
what about exhumer/mining battleship ransoms and the t2 stripminers?
But to you who wants to be a pirate fast.. Good Luck mate. ------------------------------------------- Hi Spitzerr You are receiving this notice to inform you that your posting privileges have now been permanently terminated.
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Gin Moon
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Posted - 2007.11.28 01:12:00 -
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I know it sounds more like a Minmitar only thing, but it's open to all races, and we have a good showing from across the universe. check out the in game channel: RifterDeath
It was created by a few people inside of their trial accounts. We hopped in Rifters and headed out to the nearest Low Sec. I was on day 2 of my trial, and literally finished up the skill for using a warp scram on the way there. Hopped in a station to online the module and we kept going. We went in with 6, by the time we got to low sec there were 4 of us. We left with a Destroyer and Interdictor kill, and lost 2 rifters. It's basically a hub where young and old pvpers get together and gang up and go shoot things. There's some good advice from the older guys in there on what to put on your ship, and techniques on how to fly. There's also a few pirate corps that hang out in the channel looking for their next recruit. There's also shameless promotions for EVE UFC in there from time to time :p
Long story short, even brand new out of the box you can be useful in pvp and piracy. Will you be instantly famous and win all of your battles without previous game experience? No. Is it a ton of fun that is very easy to recover losses from? Yes.
Here's a friendly tip, if you start pirating from a young age: Keep 1 fully fitted mission ship in your hangar as a reserve, so even if you have 0 isk, you can run a mission or two and get back on your feet.
Another tip: Ransoms bring in more isk than wreckage 99% of the time. Honoring ransoms means you get repeat customers. And less "this guy is not honorable" flames on the forums.
Happy hunting! See you in the Rifterdeath channel :)
-Gin
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Jill Antaris
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Posted - 2007.11.28 08:04:00 -
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If you are allready know the tricks in PVP and Piracy(Fittings, Tactics, smell the fishy bait), yes. Most other young Players you will find got zero experience and mostly crap Fittings. Sometimes they even don¦t realise to shoot back. If you meet a Player with experience and a solid setup you will have to buy a new Frig for shure.
Nerf Lasers! Thay need far to less CPU and Grid to Fit. Still using not enught Cap and do far to mutch Damage. O wait... they allready did... =( |
Typherinna Laidai
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.28 08:09:00 -
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Im a returning early 2005 player and made a new account yesterday lol.
I can tell you YES, It is possible. But for any real success your going to want to have a few buddies with you unless you plan on just popping soft targets.
I zoomed around last night in my kestral lol (really should av gone minnie!) and counter-flipped some can baiters cans Sure enough the older player attacked me in his frig and somehow my base skilled char managed to lay him the smackdown. Sadly I dont even have the skills for a warp disrupter so my attack was somewhat futile lol
But meh, theres allways tonight
Typherinna Laidai
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kessah
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.28 13:55:00 -
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ask again next week ------ [Video] Forever Pirate 4
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