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Princess Eternity	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:31:00 - [1] I just started eve a day ago and made a character and helped a corporation friend with level 3 missions. I had over 3 million isk saved up. I then decided to remake my character because I didn't like the way I focused the skills. Because im on a trial account I can't transfer isk to myself. So I about 15 minutes ago I put a mineral worth 3 isk on the market for 3.19 MILLION isk with the character I just started. My objective was to buy it from myself and the isk would be transfered. It seems someone noticed i was doing this, I bought the mineral and when I logged onto my character again Neither had the money... It seems someone called SomeHondaGuy put the same exact mineral on for the same exact price right after I did. I ended up buying his, when I tried to message him he was offline it said. Is there anything I can do against this?
Per Bastet Amarr B.O.O.M Socius Tutaminis Velox	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:33:00 - [2] Welcome to Eve. Get off the Trial and you wouldn't have this kind of problem. EvE is a Cold place, But there is some Friendly Faces.
Minee Ze Gallente Gold Leaf University Haud Terminus	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:34:00 - [3] frankly, no. that is within game mechanics, you would have been safer using a direct item exchange contract.
Per Bastet Amarr B.O.O.M Socius Tutaminis Velox	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Minee Ze frankly, no. that is within game mechanics, you would have been safer using a direct item exchange contract. Whoa Minee, When you Leave BOAT?
Jupiter Sun	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:37:00 - [5] when you went to buy that mineral you bought it from the cheapest seller in the station BUT payed them the 3.19 million, this is just how the market works! (dunno why) they did not scam you, you were not scammed :) oh and welcome ^_^
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:40:00 - [6] The market does that automatically to prevent money laundering. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:56:00 - [7] Best bet is to wait for them to come online and ask for your money back. They might be nice about it, especially if its an older player as 3M won't mean much to them. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:56:00 - [8] Oops. Sucks to be you. Don't use the market to send money to yourself. Originally by: Paulo Damarr Join the worlds largest single server and fastest growing community of Unofficial and illegitimate EULA police! Join MacroIntel!
Aaron	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:59:00 - [9] welcome to eve.
L337hax0r Altposter	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:01:00 - [10] if you want to use the market to transfer money from 1 char to another, you need to use item that is not sold on the station already
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:14:00 - [11] As was said, welcome to eve, it can be a ***** when you learn stuff the hard way :p Give it a little bit. Pretty soon 3 mil won't be but a drop in the bucket. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Scarcus Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:22:00 - [12] If you continue to play Eve, this "minor" loss is peanuts compared to your later losses that will occur as you play on. 3 million may sound like a lot, but it isn't. Welcome to Eve and good luck. By the way, get with a corporation as fast as possible. Once NOL has been purged with cleansing fire, and all the vassals are put to the sword, I'm sure we'll have a lovely little cold war, your bloc and ours. Originally by: KIATolon Chowdown, if you use your t
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:25:00 - [13] hahahahahaha welcome to eve. Now, a lesson in game mechanics: If there is the same item for a lower price on the market, you will always send the isk to the person who placed the lower priced item on the market. As a matter of fact, if you do check the market, you will notice that your order is still up.. This is because you bought the item from the other guy, just payed him what you wanted to pay him
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Lance Fighter hahahahahaha welcome to eve. Now, a lesson in game mechanics: If there is the same item for a lower price on the market, you will always send the isk to the person who placed the lower priced item on the market. As a matter of fact, if you do check the market, you will notice that your order is still up.. This is because you bought the item from the other guy, just payed him what you wanted to pay him This is true, from time to time people pay me a lot more than my asking price for items. It is not a scam, no-one is going to camp a market waiting for that to happen. The probability and payoff are so low it is not worth it. Logoffs
Qui Shon	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Princess Eternity It seems someone called SomeHondaGuy put the same exact mineral on for the same exact price right after I did. Why that no good mumble mutter.. Nah, like was said, that's how the market works, whomever has the cheapest sell order gets your cash.
F90OEX	Posted - 2007.11.24 16:59:00 - [16] To help you out and get you back on your way, you should have 3mil back in your account :)
Aleria Angelis Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:12:00 - [17] Well atleast you learnt your lesson with only 3 million isk, months from now it will seem like nothing. Be suspicious of everything and everbody and you'l do just fine
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:36:00 - [18] Ya gotta pay to play brotha.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:44:00 - [19] Well sorry to hear, but read closely and learn from the comments above. Seems someone set you up with some isk so you'll be able to play again :) Good Luck Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:49:00 - [20] In the future if you need to transfer isk between your characters, click the "People and Places" icon on your little menu on the left hand side. Click the People tab, type your character's name in the search box, when the results come up, make sure you have found the right one (lots of chars have similar names). Right click -> send money. Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Wylker In the future if you need to transfer isk between your characters, click the "People and Places" icon on your little menu on the left hand side. Click the People tab, type your character's name in the search box, when the results come up, make sure you have found the right one (lots of chars have similar names). Right click -> send money. in the future, READ the op and remember that TRIAL accounts can't do that Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Originally by: Wylker In the future if you need to transfer isk between your characters, click the "People and Places" icon on your little menu on the left hand side. Click the People tab, type your character's name in the search box, when the results come up, make sure you have found the right one (lots of chars have similar names). Right click -> send money. in the future, READ the op and remember that TRIAL accounts can't do that HAHAHAHHA THATS HILARIOUS I ASSUME HE'LL BE ON A TRIAL ACCOUNT FOREVER Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.24 17:59:00 - [23] CAP LOCKS ARE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! also, thank you for feeding me Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Dr Grot Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:16:00 - [24] Originally by: Crumplecorn Best bet is to wait for them to come online and ask for your money back. They might be nice about it, especially if its an older player as 3M won't mean much to them. That won't work, they don't have his 3 mil ISK. His money has disapeared into thin air.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:23:00 - [25] Edited by: Matalino on 24/11/2007 20:24:48 Originally by: Dr Grot Originally by: Crumplecorn Best bet is to wait for them to come online and ask for your money back. They might be nice about it, especially if its an older player as 3M won't mean much to them. That won't work, they don't have his 3 mil ISK. His money has disapeared into thin air. His money has NOT disappeared into thin air. The person who sold him the minerals received the full price. Of course there is nothing that can force the seller to give the ISK back. Petitioning a GM will just get you a generic response stating that such is life. This is not a bug, this is a feature. It is required to allow market PvP. If you undercut, your items will ALWAYS sell first. It is how you defeat your competition on the market. There is no way for your competition to sell their items first if you are offering your items for a lower price in the same station. Same priciple applied to buy orders. The person offering the highest price will always receive the items before a person offering a lower price. There is no way to sell to a lower priced buy order if a higher priced order covers that station. ************************** Datacore Harvesting IPO
Peter VonThal Raygun Technologies	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Dr Grot Originally by: Crumplecorn Best bet is to wait for them to come online and ask for your money back. They might be nice about it, especially if its an older player as 3M won't mean much to them. That won't work, they don't have his 3 mil ISK. His money has disapeared into thin air. Yes, they do have it. I have been the recipient of things like this several times and have gotten mails from new people who have made this mistake. And yes, I've given it back.
Che Molex	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:25:00 - [27] Your mistake was in Under-Pricing the item(s) If you had Over-Priced the item(s) you'd have been fine, or maybe even doubled your ISK if some over fool bought it(s) !
Dr Grot Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.11.24 20:53:00 - [28] K my bad, your guys are right. I was under the impression the lowest buy order only got thier asking price. I just recreated the scenario with my alt, not risking 3.1M ofc. My wallet does show more than the buy order asks for being transfered in to the sellers wallet. pnwd
Che Molex	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:05:00 - [29] BTW Old trial Chars can transfer ships and cargo by abandoning ship at a safe-point. ( I've left ships at Safe-Points for months ) New char then just warps to point and jumps in. Safe-Point: Set Bookmark as warping between station and some far moon - whatever. Drop copy at moon. As long as BM there for new char ... probably Safe :) Note - Copy by Shift-drag BM to cargohold, plant BM copy in folder - won't just drag into bottom of People and Places.
Anytime Baby	Posted - 2007.11.24 21:12:00 - [30] Start a war.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.24 23:29:00 - [31] Lol and even if u were scammed, this sounds like it's completely within game mechanics CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Mathias Zealot MAIDS Antesignani Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 00:56:00 - [32] Chances are there was no actual scam involved here (I'll admit the possibility, but I find it unlikely), just a bit of a misunderstanding. The way the market works isn't quite what you would expect. When you place a sell order, you're setting the minimum price you are willing to accept for the items in question. Usually this is all anyone pays because of how buying an item works. When you're buying an item what actually happens is you place a buy order with immediate duration, which contains a price per unit, order range, and a maximum and minimum quantity. The market system then resolves the buy order by checking to see if any of the sell orders meet the buy order's requirements and starts from the sell order with the lowest minimum price. So when the buy order was placed at 1 unit for 3.19 million isk, the market went and found the cheapest unit available for less than 3.19 million isk, matched the orders up and completed the transaction, netting the seller 3.19 million isk and leaving you with one mineral. While not what you intended to happen, the buy order was filled to the letter. --- "Come back with your shield, or on it." Originally by: soulkiller3 Can you keep posting pics i need a better FPS
Romeda Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:01:00 - [33] This is the point when you have to make the decision to pay for EVE based on your trial experiences. Because EVE is kinda like that from day one.
Shakuul Caldari O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.11.25 02:29:00 - [34] that wasn't really a scam since i doubt he intended to take your isk he just wanted to sell the same item. you should have used a contract or station traded some zyd or whatnot.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.25 03:48:00 - [35] Darwin smiles.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Franga Caldari NQX Innovations Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.25 04:18:00 - [36] This sir, is EVE. PS: Is this really DBPreacher in disguise? Cause that formatting is just horrible. Disgusting. _____________________________ Eldo spanked my sig but I can't be bothered changing it just now.

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