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Kai Ronin
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Posted - 2007.11.26 10:21:00 -
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Has first evidence of another universe been seen?
Sunday, 25 November 2007
Astronomers announced in August 2007 the discovery of a large hole at the edge of our universe. Since then, theoretical physicist and cosmologist Laura Mersini-Houghton and colleagues have claimed it is an ôunmistakable imprint of another universe beyond the edge of our own.ö
The article entitled ôAstronomers Find Enormous Hole in the Universeö discusses the August 2007 discovery of the hole. It is located at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory website.
Dr. Laura Mersini-Houghton is a theoretical physicist and cosmologist at the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill).
The hole is estimated to be almost one billion light-years across, where one light-year is about 9.5 trillion kilometers (5.9 trillion miles) and is located within the constellation Eridanus.
The Mersini-Houghton team states that the hole is another universe at the edge of our own universe. Such an explanation, if true, would be the first experimental evidence of such an exo-universe, or a universe outside of our own universe.
Several teams of astronomers have used data from the NASA Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite and the Sloan Digital Sky Survey to make examinations of this large hole. The hole first showed up in images of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, the radiation left over from the formation of the universe (what we call the big bang).
In images made by WMAP back in 2004, the volume of the hole showed up as being of a colder temperature than surrounding volumes of space because of less energy being ejected from the region.
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15488/1066/
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Kai Ronin
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Posted - 2007.11.26 10:21:00 -
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Has first evidence of another universe been seen?
Sunday, 25 November 2007
Astronomers announced in August 2007 the discovery of a large hole at the edge of our universe. Since then, theoretical physicist and cosmologist Laura Mersini-Houghton and colleagues have claimed it is an ôunmistakable imprint of another universe beyond the edge of our own.ö
The article entitled ôAstronomers Find Enormous Hole in the Universeö discusses the August 2007 discovery of the hole. It is located at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory website.
Dr. Laura Mersini-Houghton is a theoretical physicist and cosmologist at the University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill).
The hole is estimated to be almost one billion light-years across, where one light-year is about 9.5 trillion kilometers (5.9 trillion miles) and is located within the constellation Eridanus.
The Mersini-Houghton team states that the hole is another universe at the edge of our own universe. Such an explanation, if true, would be the first experimental evidence of such an exo-universe, or a universe outside of our own universe.
Several teams of astronomers have used data from the NASA Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite and the Sloan Digital Sky Survey to make examinations of this large hole. The hole first showed up in images of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation, the radiation left over from the formation of the universe (what we call the big bang).
In images made by WMAP back in 2004, the volume of the hole showed up as being of a colder temperature than surrounding volumes of space because of less energy being ejected from the region.
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15488/1066/
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Shadow Legion Covenant
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.26 10:41:00 -
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interesting news, too bad we'll never be able to travel that far to find out what's there.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.26 10:54:00 -
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Jovians be there 
 Originally by: ISD Valorem
The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
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Motokko
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Posted - 2007.11.26 11:37:00 -
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Bet it turns out to be just a dirty smudge on their telescope lense 
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:09:00 -
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God lit his fart. Burnt a bit of the universe.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:26:00 -
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It could be a black hole with an event horizon a billion light years across. And it's coming this waaaaaayyyy....
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Bellicose
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:31:00 -
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"your at the edge of your map yarrrh here be monsters"
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Kai Ronin
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
interesting news, too bad we'll never be able to travel that far to find out what's there.
I wouldn't say never;
Warp Drive Breakthrough
No reason to get our hopes up too high yet though, but who knows... 
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.11.26 14:30:00 -
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I saw a thing on Discovery that we currently do not have anything that can output the amount of power needed to accelerate to warp speeds... something about acceleration and energy output required increasing exponentially.... I couldn't make sense of it, but they said in 1000 years who knows?
Originally by: ISD Valorem
The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
Weekly quote:
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Sister Impotentata
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.26 14:50:00 -
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We're going to need a bigger boat.
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If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
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Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Ronin
Linkage made easy by Dietrich and co.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
Shadow Legion Covenant
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:11:00 -
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well i dont know crap about science and physics... but i think that to travel so far, we would have to fly at several times the speed of light...
and many say that is impossible, because if you fly that fast you would time travel and arrive before you departed and a crap hole of other negative stuff like that.
ofc we could just contract hiro nakamura, he would solve this problem for us pretty easy.
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Dark Scorpions
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kayna Eelai
well i dont know crap about science and physics... but i think that to travel so far, we would have to fly at several times the speed of light...
and many say that is impossible, because if you fly that fast you would time travel and arrive before you departed and a crap hole of other negative stuff like that.
ofc we could just contract hiro nakamura, he would solve this problem for us pretty easy.
True you cant travel faster than the speed of light but its not like you ahve to to travel such distances.
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Nanus Parkite
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:17:00 -
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They think there's a hole because one area of space is emitting less energy then the rest. Do I therefore assume there's a massive cave in the room next door because the light is off and it's dark?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:35:00 -
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A region of space that emits less radiation than the rest, could it just be a cluster of black holes? A billion light years across would imply several galaxies made of mostly black holes (as opposed to stars). It would make more sense than a gateway to another universe. It sounds far fetched, but is it impossible? It would make more sense than a gateway to another universe. Remember, due to light-lag, at this distance we're watching conditions from the early formation of the universe, and who knows what funky stuff was happening then?
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.26 18:44:00 -
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Linky please?
Given this is many times larger than our entire galaxy (100kLy) and the universe is approx 14~15Billion Ly accross I say I am surprised they missed it.
It's like dropping you in front of Everest and you say "What mountain?".....
Originally by: N1fty
So what your really trying to get at is that the universe is in fact Emo?
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 26/11/2007 19:22:00
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I saw a thing on Discovery that we currently do not have anything that can output the amount of power needed to accelerate to warp speeds... something about acceleration and energy output required increasing exponentially.... I couldn't make sense of it, but they said in 1000 years who knows?
I'll give you the short version.
As you approach the speed of light several things happen:
1) Distance is contracted in the direction of travel
2) Mass increases
3) Time slows down (literally...your clock on your spaceship will run slower although to you everything will seem normal since you are moving through time slower too)
As a result (to the above points) if you reached light speed (impossible but say you did):
1) The universe would have zero length in the direction of travel
2) Your mass would increase to infinity. So you'd need an infinite amount of energy to move you (more than is available in the whole universe) and you'd effectively be everywhere in the Universe at the same time.
3) Time would stop for you. So even if you reached light speed you'd never know it. The universe would end before you ever did another thing.
If we go "faster" than light speed it will need to be via wormholes or warp or hyperspace. No one is sure any of those things are even possible and if they are possible would require stupendous amounts of energy near as they can tell so even if "possible" to do so may be a practical impossibility (e.g. strap Jupiter to your rocket and use its mass as a fuel source to fly around...not likely or opening a wormhole would require so much energy it would likely kill anyone going through it and just going through it may destabilize the hole and cause it to collapse...stuff like that).
Yes we can get anywhere at much slower speeds using things like Generation Ships. Although if you get really, really close to the speed of light time slows down that a Generation Ship may not be needed (this result is weird).
Let's say you could accelerate to 0.9999999999999999999999951 c (damn fast). It would take you roughly 32,000 years to travel just to the center of the Milky Way from Earth. However (and here's the cool part), to those aboard the ship their perceived travel time to galactic center would be 3.2 seconds. That assumes instant acceleration of course which is not possible but the idea is the same. For those aboard the ship going really fast may get you places seemingly rather quickly...just everyone you leave behind will be dead for eons before you get where you are going.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.11.26 19:40:00 -
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Perhaps it is a spot of dust on the screen.
I mean the main colour of space is black yeah, and the inherent basic colour of specks of dust is usually black yeah?
So, like, how we s'posed to see 'em?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.26 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nanus Parkite
They think there's a hole because one area of space is emitting less energy then the rest. Do I therefore assume there's a massive cave in the room next door because the light is off and it's dark?
Given that the Cosmic Background Radiation is very evenly spread throughout the universe and the reason behind it being that the CBR was released during the first few seconds of the Big Bang, it's a very big deal that there's suddenly a gap in it, because such a gap cannot be explained without there having been some object impeding the spread of that primordial energy. The odds of it forming "naturally" are either incredibly small or non-existent.
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
A region of space that emits less radiation than the rest, could it just be a cluster of black holes? A billion light years across would imply several galaxies made of mostly black holes (as opposed to stars). It would make more sense than a gateway to another universe. It sounds far fetched, but is it impossible?
It's possible, but I don't think it's terribly likely as the general density of the universe is quite uniform (see above). As for whether it's evidence for a second universe? Who knows.
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Sister Impotentata
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.27 01:42:00 -
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If this "hole" is "just" a curdle in the CBR then I don't have an issue with it. Curdles and eddies in the primordial bang are what led to galaxies, stars, planets, and ultimately, you and me. If we didn't have curdles, we wouldn't have quantuum black holes. And you do love the QBHs, don't you?
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Originally by: Psycho John Petrucci
If there's any point where you feel it's too difficult, then just stop. Because you just, you don't have it, you're just not good.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.27 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Impotentata
If this "hole" is "just" a curdle in the CBR then I don't have an issue with it. Curdles and eddies in the primordial bang are what led to galaxies, stars, planets, and ultimately, you and me. If we didn't have curdles, we wouldn't have quantuum black holes. And you do love the QBHs, don't you?
I believe that the nature of the formation of the CMB radiation would make any sort of "curdle" this size impossible or at the least extremely unlikely - the CMB was emitted so early in the formation of the universe that the four forces hadn't separated, so its distribution should (and usually is) very even. This gaping hole in it is quite perplexing.
I believe an article I recently read stated that holes like this existed, but are very unlikely to form and the largest previous to this discovery were many orders of magnitude smaller.
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Ixianus
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Posted - 2007.11.27 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kai Ronin
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
interesting news, too bad we'll never be able to travel that far to find out what's there.
I wouldn't say never;
Warp Drive Breakthrough
No reason to get our hopes up too high yet though, but who knows...
Too bad like 4 people in the entire Eve community have the background to know what the article is talking about in any detail.
As a side note, thats a pretty interesting article.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.27 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Sister Impotentata
If this "hole" is "just" a curdle in the CBR then I don't have an issue with it. Curdles and eddies in the primordial bang are what led to galaxies, stars, planets, and ultimately, you and me. If we didn't have curdles, we wouldn't have quantuum black holes. And you do love the QBHs, don't you?
I believe that the nature of the formation of the CMB radiation would make any sort of "curdle" this size impossible or at the least extremely unlikely - the CMB was emitted so early in the formation of the universe that the four forces hadn't separated, so its distribution should (and usually is) very even. This gaping hole in it is quite perplexing.
Incorrect, the radiation is from 300,000 years after the Big Bang, long after the forces separated. Its from when the plasma cooled enough to freely transmit light (i.e. it was no longer a plasma).
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.28 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Incorrect, the radiation is from 300,000 years after the Big Bang, long after the forces separated. Its from when the plasma cooled enough to freely transmit light (i.e. it was no longer a plasma).
Damn, need to read up on my Big Bang theory specifics it would appear. 
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Horza Otho
Minmatar
Infortunatus Eventus
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:41:00 -
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I took a quick glance and saw the phrase 'the big bang' and decided not to read it, as the big bang is false and a truly ridiculous concept.
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Pwn4ge P4nts
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:41:00 -
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I r smart 2.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Otho
I took a quick glance and saw the phrase 'the big bang' and decided not to read it, as the big bang is false and a truly ridiculous concept.
Er...
*looks around*
...Ok.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.28 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Otho
I took a quick glance and saw the phrase 'the big bang' and decided not to read it, as the big bang is false and a truly ridiculous concept.
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
LightSpeed Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.28 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Anwylyd Al''Vos on 28/11/2007 18:26:29
Jora'h is correct, awareness like star trek during warp would most-likely mean we've past through our galaxy and into another, or beyond... if it were possible to make a ls capable ship from glass, and to observe it's travel in real time, the occupants would look to be immobile...
as for no CMB radiation in this particular area... if we knew the borders of the universe at it's creation it is likely we would observe similar phenomena, considering light lag, and that the universe, in all likelihood, is still expanding... come back a few thousand years from now and my guess is that whole is going to look different...
just my 0.02 isk
edit: and yes, I too think "tbbt" is ridiculous... something from nothing - order from chaos... doesn't exactly follow the "laws" of physics and/or nature... neither does the whole "evolution" bit, but you'll notice I did use the word "creation" earlier ;p
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