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Saorla Gail	Posted - 2007.11.26 15:49:00 - [1] I wanted to get the community opinion. With the new patch there are some new components coming for the capital ships. Capital Titanium Diborite Armor Plate Capital Quantum Microprocessor Capital Sustained Shield Emitter Capital Magpulse Thruster To mention a few. What do you believe these new BPO's will cost on the market. I understand this is purely speculation at this point. But if I look at the build cost for these components they are between 200,000ISK and 500,000ISK. If I compare this to current capital components which are closer to 3-7mill ISK to build, does this mean the relative cost of the BPO will be lower than the current BPO's? Most of the current BPO's are around 1bill ISk each. Constructive comments and input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Saorla Gail I posted this originally in EVE general. I should have posted it here in the first place. My apologies for dual posting like this. If a moderator would lock the other thread I would appreciate it.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:02:00 - [2] If the above BP's are T2 then I should imagine the only way of getting them is through invention. ============================================
Saorla Gail	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:06:00 - [3] Originally by: N1fty If the above BP's are T2 then I should imagine the only way of getting them is through invention. Interesting suggestion. But I don't think they are technically T2 BPO's just BPO's to build the T2 jump freighters. Inventing them would make building jump freighters a very very expensive endevour. I don't believe that is the goal with these ships. I also haven't seen any clues that would suggest they are invention but rather that they would be available as regular BPO's.
May Shiko	Posted - 2007.11.26 16:13:00 - [4] The Tech 2 Capital Component BPOs will be seeded, following the precedent of Tech 2 Component BPOs being seeded. At this point in time, there's nothing to invent from or is there any evidence supporting that CCP would introduce a set of BPOs specifically to invent the components. The Jump Freighter BPC itself will need to be invented, not the components though. They will probably cost on the order of 10 to 100 times as much as your standard Tech 2 component BPOs, so probably in the range of 45mil-450mil per print. It could be more,it could be less depending on CCP's plans.
Saorla Gail	Posted - 2007.11.26 17:49:00 - [5] Originally by: May Shiko They will probably cost on the order of 10 to 100 times as much as your standard Tech 2 component BPOs, so probably in the range of 45mil-450mil per print. This is pretty inline with my own thinking. Should be interesting to see. My concern then is why would anyone buy these BPO's when at the moment they are very specialized. Or have I missed something and will these components be used in other ships besides the jump freighters. I am just wondering if there will be suppliers and if these BPO's would be a good investment.
Liisa Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2007.11.26 18:15:00 - [6] The standard that CCP has tried to adhere to when pricing BPOs that are sold by npcs has been 10x the base price of the item that the BPO manufactures. The base price, however, is not the price for which it sells in Jita, but the price which is calculated by using the "base" values which exist in the database. Signature Your signature exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.11.26 22:36:00 - [7] Indications from CCP are that the jump freighters are the first in a set of T2 capital ships. So the construction prints will be useful for more than just the J-Fs. How long it will take for these other T2 caps to arrive in the game is a whole other issue entirely. I think the limited usefulness of the prints is a good part of the reason why they are so inexpensive compared to the basic T1 construction components.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.11.26 22:51:00 - [8] Quote: I think the limited usefulness of the prints is a good part of the reason why they are so inexpensive compared to the basic T1 construction components. Indeed, a lot higher demand for T1 goods than for T2. Plus, Minerals transpose to every basic T1 construct, regardless of origin race. T2 components are race-specific. But regardless, T2 Capship components is an idea that gives me an indy-mongrel ;) Improve Market Competition!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.26 23:01:00 - [9] T2 capital components are T1 items that require 10 times the materials a similar T2 "regular" component does (which are also T1 items), hence the seeded BPOs should cost roughly 10 times more as the "regular" BPOs we have now... simple, isn't it ? C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
SencneS Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.11.27 04:25:00 - [10] Edited by: SencneS on 27/11/2007 04:27:47 If you hunt around on this forum for a post about "Raw Numbers" posted by me when I added the first couple of these components it played a real big role in moon minerals. Lets just say these will most likely raise the price for ALL T2 ships all over the place. BUT I think supply of the raw moon minerals can still meet demand even with these, but that increase in demand will trigger an effect that eventually raises the price for all T2 ships and mods. When I'm done adding them ALL I may post the frequency of the material needed compared to before. Edit:- Spelling. Amarr for Life
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.11.27 04:33:00 - [11] Rumor has it that 4.5b per print isn't unlikely. Either that or 450m per print. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2007.11.27 04:35:00 - [12] Quote: BUT I think supply of the raw moon minerals can still meet demand even with these, but that increase in demand will trigger an effect that eventually raises the price for all T2 ships and mods. Something which a portion of the moon mining community seem unable to comprehend... Improve Market Competition!
SencneS Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.11.27 18:57:00 - [13] Edited by: SencneS on 27/11/2007 18:57:06 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Quote: BUT I think supply of the raw moon minerals can still meet demand even with these, but that increase in demand will trigger an effect that eventually raises the price for all T2 ships and mods. Something which a portion of the moon mining community seem unable to comprehend... Well they are roughnecks... you can't expect them to understand the find art of cause and effect on a market.. Amarr for Life
Saorla Gail Caldari The Plane Walkers	Posted - 2007.11.27 19:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Saorla Gail on 27/11/2007 19:05:25 Originally by: Ricdic Rumor has it that 4.5b per print isn't unlikely. Either that or 450m per print. I labeled the thread as T2 because the jump freighters are considered T2. However, would you say the new capital components are T2 prints or just capital prints like capital thrusters and so forth, they just happened to be used to produce T2 ships? 4.5bill per print is a scary number. You really think this would be a realistic price give the difficulty of getting to the point of actually building a jump freighter? Isn't speculation fun. Thanks for all the input.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.27 20:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Akita T on 27/11/2007 20:57:22 "The powers that be" said that freighter invention chance might be buffed up significantly compared to most other ships, since copy time takes forever and a day per copy... so, I'm expecting even up to 55% base invention chance at maxed-out skills (and nearly 100% with the buffed best chance decryptor). As for the "capital T2 component prints" they are IDENTICAL to regular T2 component prints other than the fact they require 10 times more materials. They are both "capital" prints and "T2 component" prints. They still are T1 prints themselves however, just like the "T2 component" prints. Now, would they cost a couple of billion each... it would be a nice thing. Why nice ? High barrier to entry means less competitors, which means more profit per participant. I don't know how to put it more clear than this: NPC corps will SELL the BPOs for them. The pricetag ? Logically speaking, 10 times higher as that of a regular (non-capital) T2 component print. So, they will most likely cost 50 mil each, and the prices will go down to 45 mil each due to non-buy after a cetrain period of time. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:39:00 - [16] Edited by: Admiral Nova on 29/11/2007 09:40:19 Edited by: Admiral Nova on 29/11/2007 09:40:01 45-450m/print is a realistic number. Given that you need 7 for each races freighter, 28 for a set. vs the 4 you need to build any T1 freighter. They realistically shouldn't be too expensive to encourage 0.0 manufacturing of these..... They may be less if CCP looked at the components base price, and doesn't put us through another Tractor Beam BPO saga where they release a BPO far outside the price range that it should be. Also 4.5bn each ... !!! lol. You would be better off making a titan.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.11.29 09:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Saorla Gail Edited by: Saorla Gail on 27/11/2007 19:05:25 Originally by: Ricdic Rumor has it that 4.5b per print isn't unlikely. Either that or 450m per print. I labeled the thread as T2 because the jump freighters are considered T2. However, would you say the new capital components are T2 prints or just capital prints like capital thrusters and so forth, they just happened to be used to produce T2 ships? Instead of comparing them to capital thrusters, try comparing them to, for example, (Fusion\|Graviton\|Nuclear\|Antimatter) Reactor Units. They produce T2, but most certainly are not themselves T2. MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compression!

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