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Ana K Viziam Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2012.01.31 20:50:00 - [1] - Quote This character is training for ganks, and is primarily Gallente focused with a goal of ganking in the Brutix. I've already started training towards Blasters, but I'm wondering if I should have trained for a different type of projectile based turret. Blasters have very low range, it seems. Still not too late, I can switch over to something else. Can other types of turrets be mounted on the Brutix, or does that ship only work well with Blasters? Worse comes to worse, I'm not too far into the training yet to do a complete switch over to something else. Also, to fund the gankery and grind standings, are Gallente battleships pretty good for doing Level 4 missions? I'd like to eventually train for a Tengu to grind ISK and standings, but that's a long term goal. Hoping that with a little extra training, I can stay in the same faction and grind sooner, if Gallente BS's are somewhat good. Thanks!
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 26	Posted - 2012.01.31 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote Tornado is a ganker's wet dream. Good ganks require alpha I scam on my main
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 730	Posted - 2012.01.31 20:56:00 - [3] - Quote Comments: - Unless you're doing very specific things, blasters suck for missions. Fit rails. - Don't use the Brutix. Use a Myrm. :) - Hype -> Vindi/Kronos is a viable path for BS missioning. - Don't forget a Rail Sentry Domi/NDomi. Pretty good too. :) - The Proteus can put out 700 DPS with rails. Not as good as a Tengu, but nothing really is. - If your long term goal is the Tengu, just do that. Its not that much SP and its that much better. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Renarla 25	Posted - 2012.01.31 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Liang, could you post a 700 dps rail fit for the Proteus? :o I'm curious.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.01.31 21:41:00 - [5] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Tornado is a ganker's wet dream. Good ganks require alpha Only if you can alpha your target. :) A blaster Talos can about equal the Tornado's alpha on its second volley (a bit over 4 seconds in), and by 12-13 seconds has done roughly double the damage before the tornado gets a second shot. So as long as you have at least enough time for a second volley, the tornado really isn't any better.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 730	Posted - 2012.01.31 21:45:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah, but I'm at work right now. Evemail me and I'll try to remember to check the forums once I get home - home time is PVP time. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Daneel Trevize The Scope Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2012.01.31 21:57:00 - [7] - Quote Is it just me, or is there not a flaw in the plan of ganking, then running highsec lvl4s to recover sec to get into ...highsec? Unless you were planning lowsec lvl4s in a battleship, with poor sec status?
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 66	Posted - 2012.01.31 22:04:00 - [8] - Quote Daneel Trevize wrote: Is it just me, or is there not a flaw in the plan of ganking, then running highsec lvl4s to recover sec to get into ...highsec? Unless you were planning lowsec lvl4s in a battleship, with poor sec status? You don't have to run missions to get your sec status up...you just have to kill rats. A lot of people gank while keeping their status positive, anyway.
Ana K Viziam Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2012.01.31 22:07:00 - [9] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: Daneel Trevize wrote: Is it just me, or is there not a flaw in the plan of ganking, then running highsec lvl4s to recover sec to get into ...highsec? Unless you were planning lowsec lvl4s in a battleship, with poor sec status? You don't have to run missions to get your sec status up...you just have to kill rats. A lot of people gank while keeping their status positive, anyway. But could you run missions to get security status up again?
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2012.01.31 22:56:00 - [10] - Quote Indeed, just about any pve that involves you shooting npc pirates will raise your sec status. :)
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 742	Posted - 2012.01.31 22:57:00 - [11] - Quote Most missions don't raise your sec status. You'll have better luck with more traditional sec raising techniques. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2012.01.31 23:04:00 - [12] - Quote ^ The missions themselves don't, but killing the pirates does, doesn't it?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 742	Posted - 2012.01.31 23:05:00 - [13] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: ^ The missions themselves don't, but killing the pirates does, doesn't it? No, most don't. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2012.01.31 23:24:00 - [14] - Quote Really now....it appears I've been misinformed : /
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 00:36:00 - [15] - Quote Tornado is bar-none the best ganker out there, but Talos has its own role. Yes, Talos can actually do more raw damage between 8 and 13 seconds after starting the gank. But try suicide ganking 4, 5 or 6 Exhumers with a single Talos. Tornado can do it.....I think you'll find the Talos falls short because Alpha >>>> DPS, due to Concord behavior and reloading mechanics. Also... Tornado: -Cheaper (no Noxcium required for manufacture) -30km Optimal, and does 95% of damage out much further due to Tornado 50% falloff bonus. (this means that you can engage multiple targets spaced as many as 100KM apart and still score kills...while Talos more or less has to be at point blank range) -Can deal EMP, THERM or EXP with mostly purified damage. Quake Ammo can hit KIN with a range penalty. (important if targets are resist-tanking...) -Mechanics of turret hit quality means that shooting with a Talos often tends towards 'average' EFT numbers, while Tornado first volley often scores a 25-50% bonus to damage due to being 'well aimed or excellent hits' vs initially stationary targets. -Targets generally killed instantly, which completely ignores effect of RR/Boosters. The Talos, on the other hand, will be an Orca buster. Your typical max-cargo Orca will fall to as few as 3 of these.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 742	Posted - 2012.02.01 00:41:00 - [16] - Quote Wilkus, what's the concord response time in a 0.5? Any links? The ones I'm turning up on Google are pretty old and I think I remember them buffing response times in early 2010. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 01:03:00 - [17] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Wilkus, what's the concord response time in a 0.5? Any links? The ones I'm turning up on Google are pretty old and I think I remember them buffing response times in early 2010. -Liang Based on my logs, in 0.5, concord responds in 13 seconds or 19 seconds, depending on presence of Concord in system. 0.7, its closer to 8-9 /14-15 seconds. Basically, if Concord isn't spawned in system, they just spawn directly on you at the earlier time. If they happen to be someplace else (off grid, or on the other end of the ice belt) they spawn 6 seconds later.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 742	Posted - 2012.02.01 01:17:00 - [18] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Wilkus, what's the concord response time in a 0.5? Any links? The ones I'm turning up on Google are pretty old and I think I remember them buffing response times in early 2010. -Liang Based on my logs, in 0.5, concord responds in 13 seconds or 19 seconds, depending on presence of Concord in system. 0.7, its closer to 8-9 /14-15 seconds. Basically, if Concord isn't spawned in system, they just spawn directly on you at the earlier time. If they happen to be someplace else (off grid, or on the other end of the ice belt) they spawn 6 seconds later. Hmm... thanks! I knew I could count on you. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 148	Posted - 2012.02.01 01:29:00 - [19] - Quote Oh, and if you are trying to farm sec-status, best way (IMO) used to be 'target painting' rats while ninja looting other people's missions. But, in line with CCP's recent policy of nerfing all things related to 'high-sec nonconsensual PVP' - that no longer works. (TBH, I don't even remember carebears clamoring for a 'sec status repair nerf'....CCP just decided to do it.) However, the quickest way to farm sec status is actually cherrypicking and farming certain LVL 4 missions. Find a cluster of LVL 4 agents, then just cycle through missions every four hours until you get: Serp Ex/Angel Ex/ The Blockade/ Pirate Invasion/Recon 1/3. Get a few instances of these in adjacent systems, (or a mixed Angel/Serp mission pair within the same system) and you can get around a full point of sec status in just a few hours. All the listed missions have lots of Battleships, generally few (or no) gates, and generate lots of sec. Just remember: don't finish the missions, kill the BS's, but leave the triggers and farm them for an entire week. Fortunately, I don't do this much anymore as killing Exhumers with a -10 alt is far more time-efficient.... saving my sec-status for randomly instapopping unsuspecting blingy Marauders/CNRs outside busy stations with a few helpers.
Wacktopia Noir. 156	Posted - 2012.02.01 10:15:00 - [20] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Tornado is a ganker's wet dream. Good ganks require alpha Tornado for alpha-ganks like in high-sec but for dps ganks in other parts of space Talos would like a word with you. Apparently we're getting censored now.
Baneken Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate 75	Posted - 2012.02.01 11:23:00 - [21] - Quote Talos is a funny ship with less EHP then my thorax and more gank then my Domi.
Ana K Viziam Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2012.02.01 15:49:00 - [22] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Fortunately, I don't do this much anymore as killing Exhumers with a -10 alt is far more time-efficient.... saving my sec-status for randomly instapopping unsuspecting blingy Marauders/CNRs outside busy stations with a few helpers. How do you manage to stay in high sec with a -10 security status? Is that possible? My guess is that you tank for gate guns and just log off, rather than docking up, and resupply in low/null? I would also want to do all Level 4 missions, mostly for the ISK that I'm going to burn for ganking, as well as the standings grind.
Daneel Trevize The Scope Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2012.02.02 11:03:00 - [23] - Quote Ana K wrote: How do you manage to stay in high sec with a -10 security status? Is that possible? My guess is that you tank for gate guns and just log off, rather than docking up, and resupply in low/null? I expect there's all sorts of tricks, such as agile travel fits/pure cheap pod, logging at a safe in a pod, having an orca eject a ship at said safe right as you log on, having a fleet invite & squad-warp ready to go to a combat-probed/bookmarked gank target in a belt. Mostly you see having an alt/main handle everything else while the flashy's just there to do their specific ganking action.
Arnold Blackthorne Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.02 13:00:00 - [24] - Quote Ana K wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: Fortunately, I don't do this much anymore as killing Exhumers with a -10 alt is far more time-efficient.... saving my sec-status for randomly instapopping unsuspecting blingy Marauders/CNRs outside busy stations with a few helpers. How do you manage to stay in high sec with a -10 security status? Is that possible? My guess is that you tank for gate guns and just log off, rather than docking up, and resupply in low/null? I would also want to do all Level 4 missions, mostly for the ISK that I'm going to burn for ganking, as well as the standings grind. You have to remember that those people that you gank will have killrights on you if they didnt shoot you back. So you might get your missioning ship blown up in the future because of the killrights.
Tenga Halaris Rubicon Legion 15	Posted - 2012.02.02 15:07:00 - [25] - Quote A relatively cheap ship for running 4s is the Domi / Navy Domi. If you have 500 mil and 15 mil SP invested, it will serve you well. It won't be a great diffrence in SP, if you gank with Gallente and fly a Tengu in 4s, because a Domi needs Gunnery AND Drones at a decent SP level, but concentrating on Gunnery and Armortank would be easier. Forget the Mega, it's just not as effective at runnig missions, compared to the Domi. A Vindi is expensive as Hell, if you want to be faster than a Domi. The Kronos is expensive and needs a truckload of SP to work well. A fitting I ran: [Dominix Navy Issue, Level 4 lazy] Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Tracking Computer II 350mm Railgun II, Javelin L 350mm Railgun II, Javelin L 350mm Railgun II, Javelin L 350mm Railgun II, Javelin L 350mm Railgun II, Javelin L 350mm Railgun II, Javelin L Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Anti-Explosive Pump I Ogre II x5 Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 980 DPS @ 20 km 650 tank against Kin/ Therm Switch Hardeners and long Range/ Heavy Drones depending on NPC Damage and Tank. You sure can play around with more Gank and Tracking on this fit, but then you may need a Capbooster or more expensive Mods.
Ana K Viziam Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2012.02.06 23:14:00 - [26] - Quote Arnold Blackthorne wrote: You have to remember that those people that you gank will have killrights on you if they didnt shoot you back. So you might get your missioning ship blown up in the future because of the killrights. Are you talking about the 15 minute timer after the gank? Or something more longer term?
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 800	Posted - 2012.02.07 03:23:00 - [27] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: Ahrieman wrote: Tornado is a ganker's wet dream. Good ganks require alpha Only if you can alpha your target. :) A blaster Talos can about equal the Tornado's alpha on its second volley (a bit over 4 seconds in), and by 12-13 seconds has done roughly double the damage before the tornado gets a second shot. So as long as you have at least enough time for a second volley, the tornado really isn't any better. Even in .5 systems where the tornado has time for two volleys, the talos can still apply about 6000 more damage. (assumed fits are 8x neutron blaster II w/ void , 4x mag stab II for talos, and 8x 1400mm arty II w/quake, 3x gyro II, 1x pg mod for tornado) For gank untill about 25k EHP gank brutix solo can do the job cheaper than Tornado T2 fitted I don't have much experience lately with Talos in full gank situation but after my SISI testings i could dish a good 1400dps (same than vindi before the hybrid changes for a lot cheaper), I'm not sure but I guess this should be able to gank quite easily something 'till 80K in 0.5 System? 2 salvo with T2 arty -16sec +/- if you're not killed already by concord you're a hero at the third shot, maybe Blaster Talos is better in this particular situation since at 16sec a good Gallente pilot has already shot +/- 4 salvos

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