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Xenos Khanid
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Posted - 2007.11.27 11:26:00 -
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A little bit of theory :) Why the heck are lasers supposed to melt through shields ( melt? lol) and be stopped by armor..it should be the other way around, shouldnt it? In every movie and book and whatever else shields are supposed to protect against energy weapons and lasers are melting everything but shields. Im gettin confused now :D
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 11:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Xenos Khanid
A little bit of theory :) Why the heck are lasers supposed to melt through shields ( melt? lol) and be stopped by armor..it should be the other way around, shouldnt it? In every movie and book and whatever else shields are supposed to protect against energy weapons and lasers are melting everything but shields. Im gettin confused now :D
I agree. CCP please switch EM and exp resists on armor and shields. Minmatars can rot.
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hi2uhikari
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Posted - 2007.11.27 12:58:00 -
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hmm where is that Prisom X quote
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DeadRow
Naqam
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Posted - 2007.11.27 12:59:00 -
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Stupid alt- ^ was me ^_^
/DeadRow
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 13:15:00 -
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Frankly I think that it would be the other way around. Lasers would have to melt through armor... requiring a great deal of thermal energy, when a simple shaped explosive charge would punch through much more efficiently. Shields, well, who knows what shields are.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Acoco Osiris
Frankly I think that it would be the other way around. Lasers would have to melt through armor... requiring a great deal of thermal energy, when a simple shaped explosive charge would punch through much more efficiently. Shields, well, who knows what shields are.
Nope, you have that backwards.
Modern day HEAT warheads use a shaped charge to essentially spew a small stream of plasma at the target. If you ever see a tank penetrated by an anti-tank weapon its typically a very small hole(the flying molten metal tend to have a very detrimental effect on the crew.).
Lasers burn an even smaller hole.
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Jakus Cemendur
Caldari
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.27 13:46:00 -
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Actually modern day tanks will more likely be penetrated by SABOT rounds which are basically a small central penetrator surrounded by a case to fill the barrel, which when fired has enough kinetic energy to do severe damage to a tank.
HEAT rounds used to be the standard anti-tank rounds, but SABOT rounds(aka APFSDS: Armour Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot), and now the anti-tank round of choice.
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Victus Fidelus
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Posted - 2007.11.27 13:54:00 -
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But the countries where "war" is a issue nowdays are countries usualy not using weapons "off choise" but seccond rate weaponry discarted and sold to them by the west.
Hence its verry likely that HEAT rounds will still be used mostly against tanks.
The west uses / is going to use sabot yes. ;)
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Nemesis Rising
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:13:00 -
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Real life =! Eve, as has been explained by plenty of people plenty of times. Just because something would work one way here doesn't mean it will/should in Eve.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenicia on 27/11/2007 14:20:54
Let's see what lasers do: Electromagnetic and thermal damage. This implies that the energy within your average Eve-laser generates heat, and manipulates electrons in some way. That in turn would imply that the only real "error" is assuming that lasers are merely bundled light, when in fact it is more an "electric beam".
There's no way you can explain EM damage from a mere lightsource, therefor it must be something more.
And as everyone knows, EM(pulse) weapons completely destroy electronic devices. Therefor it makes sense that a concentrated EM charge would penetrate an energy field- because the field is most likely generated by an electronic device.
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As for real life, let's not kill a really cool and nerdy discussion because something as bland and boring as "rl" gets in the way
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Skaaj
FireStar Inc
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.27 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
Edited by: Phoenicia on 27/11/2007 14:20:54
Let's see what lasers do: Electromagnetic and thermal damage. This implies that the energy within your average Eve-laser generates heat, and manipulates electrons in some way. That in turn would imply that the only real "error" is assuming that lasers are merely bundled light, when in fact it is more an "electric beam".
There's no way you can explain EM damage from a mere lightsource, therefor it must be something more.
And as everyone knows, EM(pulse) weapons completely destroy electronic devices. Therefor it makes sense that a concentrated EM charge would penetrate an energy field- because the field is most likely generated by an electronic device.
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As for real life, let's not kill a really cool and nerdy discussion because something as bland and boring as "rl" gets in the way
Here
I know It's silly to compare RL to eve, but Lasers as a whole are electromagnetic energy themselves.
and I'm sure I've seen studies (though can't find any links) where they use a form of UV energy to Ionize particles in the air and allow electricity to pass through, basically and inunteruptable taser.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.11.27 15:51:00 -
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Problem is, different frequencies of EMR behave quite differently. IR frequency radiation would primarily be adsorbed by the ship armour, melting through it if the beam was intense enough. A gamma beam would pass through even the thickest armour, killing the crew will little damage to the ship itself.
All this gets too complex to model in a game as simplistic as eve, so it might be best to drop the subject, and give amarr explosive crystals to make up for it.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.27 18:58:00 -
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Anti-tank weapons work by either creating massive amounts of pressure inside the tank or by spamming a crapload of shrapnel into it through a tiny hole, turning the crew into a sort of grim paste. Some penetrate by direct application of kinetic force (sabot rounds), some work by melting through the armour (HEAT) and some work because of the evils of science (Depleted Uranium) but the charge and the warhead can be mutually exclusive. I am by no means an expert so I could be wrong.
I did once see a working recoilless rocket launcher made from a drainpipe, with a packet of biscuits providing the counterweight (for the recoilless effect) and with a shaped charge crafted from a heavily modified baked bean tin. Apparently it was capable of penetrating the armour on an APC or damaging tank treads. All I was hearing was 'Minmatar tech 2 launcher'.
Back to eve, I suspect that lasers work better against shields because the modulation of the laser frequency disrupts the shield rather than penetrates it. And we can also assume that armour in eve is mirrored and/or ceramic giving it resistance to energy and heat based attacks.
Either way I just wish my shields didn't have a base resist of 0% 
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