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Lord Viathan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.28 03:57:00 -
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I've asked this a couple of times in rookie help but its often hard to descern if someones replying to me or to someone else in the sea of questions.
If your moseying on through space and come across a container by its loansome with a fair amount of goodies etc in there If you take out of it its stealing and you can get whacked by the player and his/her corp. Now aside from this risk does it affect your standing and chances of getting a mission and or good rates on trade from stations? Like will it mean NPCs will stop dealing with me etc?
I mean i don't mean to be a jerk by stealing stuff but it falls under my principles I've been using in eve, WWMD - What would Mal Do? And if Malcolm Reynolds was flying through space and found a cargo container full of loot he'd take it :P Only When you forget you are human, will you remember; You are a god. |
Gojyu
Gallente Ever Flow DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:06:00 -
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No, the only negative from stealing is that the owner and his corp can blast you for 15 minutes. Be careful though, you never know when the owners of said loot might be cloaked 5km away and just waiting for you to take it
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Kaya Divine
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:11:00 -
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Stealing is impolite and rude. And when you take something from container(which is not yours)...owner of that goods can shoot at you even in high space (1.0-0.5) CONCORD will not come to save you. Note that CONCORD is in EVE to PUNISH not to protect. When you have more days (years) under yours belt then you can take whatever you wish...but don`t forget....there is always bigger fishes out there lurking.
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Leora Nomen
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:19:00 -
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It won't ruin your reputation with NPCs. If you steal from players when they clearly do not want to share with you, they will take their time to hunt you down or bait you the next time. Salvaging on the other hand does not give you any aggro from other players.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 28/11/2007 04:32:08 You are free to do whatever you wish, the only direct drawback in the owner and his corp (if it's a playercorp) being able to shoot you (after which you can shoot back).
In the end it's all about how you want your character to be and what set of rules and/or morals you want to play by. If you want to be naughty then feel free to do so, the whole premise of EVE is that if you want something you'll have to take it from someone else.
There might be consequences ofcourse (apart from the 15 minute timer), you may become known as a thief, but that can either be good or bad depending on who you ask :)
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Laice
Caldari The Greater Good Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2007.11.28 05:01:00 -
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stealing is part of the game mechanics and even though i know how annoying it is its a way of making a cheap buck. some people say that its unfair as it takes a lot less time but technically the risk the theif puts upon his ship outweighs it :)
PS Stealing ****es people off, they will come for you. :)
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Lord Viathan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.28 05:01:00 -
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Thanks for your feedback guys.
I wouldn't consider it theft so much as taking an oppertunity presented. If it was someone who had been hard at work mining I wouldn't take it but if theres a container in the middle of nowhere with some stuff in it I would consider it a lucky find :)
But yeah I will be careful with traps etc. Thanks again,
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Lo Huang
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:15:00 -
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Logged on yesterday for the first time in months, had most of a can filled and somebody came by and stole it because, by his logic, if I was mining in high sec space I was a macro miner. Switched to mining with my badger so i wouldn't have to drop a jet can, but it was very slow going. Just a while ago I was mining in high sec space with a corp member and somebody came up and got my can. I must have pulled something out of it as it switched ownership because I got blasted. My corpmate and I are very mad. We will log on with the intent of baiting these guys and killing them.
We have adjusted standing with the individual and their corp. This has two effects: 1. Alerts us when their corp members come into the local system. 2. Shows others their negative standing with other corps and players. Curious pilots will ask around and find out why, which could in turn affect your reputation.
Don't steal. Don't leave valuables in jet cans if you are transferring items, use secure containers or contracts.
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Lord Viathan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:28:00 -
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Yeah thats rough. It depends on circumstances I think.. like if I saw you there mining with a can next to you I wouldn't go over and take it but if no one was around and there is just a can sitting there It's fair game.
Much like in real life If I saw you sitting there with 20 bucks on the table next to you I wouldn't take it but if I was walking down the street and found 20 bucks I would say its fair game. Only When you forget you are human, will you remember; You are a god. |
Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:29:00 -
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EVE is a PVP game, the PVP part doesn't stop to exist when you're in high sec or don't want it to happen. Apart from that, if you get blown up or stolen from you only have yourself to blame (yes, that does sound anti-social) since, again, this is a PVP game and there's methods to lower your risk.
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Lo Huang
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Posted - 2007.11.28 11:38:00 -
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Real life, you steal from me one of two things will happen:
1. Outside my home, I hurt you badly. I am a combat vet, and trained in hand to hand combat as well as with various weapons.
2. In my home, I follow Texas law. No drag marks from outside into my home, you don't make it outside my home, and the coroner will find you with a knife from the kitchen in your hands.
In EVE I will just have to work on my combat skills and upgrade my combat ship. Whether I mine in high or low sec space is irrelevent. When possible, I will have my corpmates cloaked nearby to gank thieves. My corp used to focus on mining and mining escorts for members, but while I was gone they shifted to mainly running missions and PvP. I've had great assistance from them since I rejoined the game yesterday, but they can't be online when I am all the time. Friday I will be reactivating my other account and will be using it to haul. This will cut down on people stealing directly from me I hope, but if you steal from our corp, we will hunt you down and pod you.
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 12:02:00 -
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Exactly, you're taking active and passive measures to lower your risk and to up your chances of revenge when it DOES happen. That makes you less of a target and thus your tactics pay off.
However, most people don't. They somehow feel that EVE is a solo game and that you should be able to play the game idiot/solo mode, Those people will get hit by the whole Darwinism thing after which they'll go ballistic and blame everyone but themselves.
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Viilaa
Caldari OH Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.28 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada However, most people don't. They somehow feel that EVE is a solo game and that you should be able to play the game idiot/solo mode, Those people will get hit by the whole Darwinism thing after which they'll go ballistic and blame everyone but themselves.
I wouldn't say that. Just that a lot of the new players come from games like Warcraft in which other people just CANNOT take stuff from your kills so you don't think / worry about it. I myself came here with that belief, but luckily I read the forums and learned that it wasn't like that thus have not been stolen from - but I'm willing to bet 80% of the new players jump into the game with their misconceptions and only come to the forums after then fact and then they are mad. If they knew beforehand they could be robbed they may have taken better precautions. So its all about knowledge.
I remember how mad I was at my first gate-ganking and such, but now I realize that is how the game is and I think I am a better player with that knowledge. If I was a better forum searcher I probably could have avoided my gate-gank, but alas I hate forum searching..
Viilaa
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highonpop
Gallente Eve Mineral Emporium
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Posted - 2007.11.28 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Leora Nomen It won't ruin your reputation with NPCs. If you steal from players when they clearly do not want to share with you, they will take their time to hunt you down or bait you the next time. Salvaging on the other hand does not give you any aggro from other players.
i have learned that salvaging is one of your best friends in this game. Something you wouldnt think would be worth 10isk may be worth 100's of thousands =]
legal stealing FTW! woot _____________________ *warp drive acti...wait, where are we going?*
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Cygnus Zhada
Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.28 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Zhada on 28/11/2007 16:17:40
Originally by: Viilaa
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada However, most people don't. They somehow feel that EVE is a solo game and that you should be able to play the game idiot/solo mode, Those people will get hit by the whole Darwinism thing after which they'll go ballistic and blame everyone but themselves.
I wouldn't say that. Just that a lot of the new players come from games like Warcraft in which other people just CANNOT take stuff from your kills so you don't think / worry about it. I myself came here with that belief, but luckily I read the forums and learned that it wasn't like that thus have not been stolen from - but I'm willing to bet 80% of the new players jump into the game with their misconceptions and only come to the forums after then fact and then they are mad. If they knew beforehand they could be robbed they may have taken better precautions. So its all about knowledge.
I remember how mad I was at my first gate-ganking and such, but now I realize that is how the game is and I think I am a better player with that knowledge. If I was a better forum searcher I probably could have avoided my gate-gank, but alas I hate forum searching..
Viilaa
True, we all have to go through that phase of shock, horror, disbelieve and anger. The thing is a lot of people fail to understand and adapt to it, they'll still react in the exact same way after having played several months or even years even after having been a 'victim' a number of times. It's the "I'm not bothering you, why should you bother me" idea.
Mind you, we all hate losing ships but it's the people who accept the game for what it is, adapt to it and start taking precautions who will make it, just like that guy earlier; he'll have his corpmates help him, he learns about the game mechanics and tries to use them to his advantage and he's buffing his PVP capabilities. That's how it should be done.
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Menod Penter
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.29 03:14:00 -
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It never hurt mine.
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Shanderley Rialla
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Posted - 2007.11.29 13:33:00 -
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Is there anything a miner can do to prevent "taking" of his ore, while he is away fetching the hauler ship (besides having corp mates help him out)...?
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Kalazar
Amarr Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.29 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shanderley Rialla Is there anything a miner can do to prevent "taking" of his ore, while he is away fetching the hauler ship (besides having corp mates help him out)...?
Yes, mine into secure cans (can't do this in very high sec space I don't think). If you mine into a jetcan it's fair game for anybody and everybody. ----------------------------------------------
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Shanderley Rialla
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Posted - 2007.11.29 13:49:00 -
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Ah, I take it secure cans can be bought at a station? How much space do they offer?
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Shanur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.29 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shanderley Rialla Edited by: Shanderley Rialla on 29/11/2007 14:13:47 Ah, I take it secure cans can be bought at a station? How much space do they offer?
edit: Found them in the item database... gotta remember to look before I ask. ;)
And just when i was about to answer
To the OP, no game mechanic will punish you for stealing, and experienced players will acknowledge it as the consequences of either their mistake or their decission to take a risk. However, they will remember what you did and may eventually find a way to repay you for what you have done.... with interest!
So while it won't ruin your security rating, it will ruin your reputation among other players, which can in time come back to haunt you. This won't be a big problem if you plan to hang out with pirates anyway, but if you later on decide to help with the industrial backbone of a large 0.0 alliance, your criminal past may present some significant hurdles.
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