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Offensive Striker	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:17:00 - [1] Morning all, A guy I work with suggested Eve, and I must say that I am very excited from what I have seen the past few days. I have been reading thru the forums and found this section and I am really interested in joining the dark side. I am trying to figure out what the best race would offer the best start off specs. I was told you could make amazing money by blowing up the semi truck ships carrying wares and I tried it, but I didnt get close before I was tore into by the police. I have read thru some of the posts and found information on what skills to work on, but it seems i should have focused on a rocket ship instead of a gun ship? Sorry for the uneducated questions. Ive spent two hours browsing here without success before i asked.
spongebobbb	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:25:00 - [2] minmater is good for new players looking to pirate. train for a rifter, a warp disruptor and microwarpdrive and stasis webber. focus gunnery skills to get all the skils and support skills to atleast 3 or 4, train up skills that improve capacitor. as for the truck ships. i assume u mean haulers. u will need a ship called a hound to do this well, but thats very skill intensive for a new player. focus on pvp and pvp skills. oh and if u aint in a pirate corp join one.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:29:00 - [3] minmatar is a very good choice. Either them or gallente for sure. Minmatar offers the rifter, one of the best t1 frigs in the game, followed by the rupture, without a doubt the best pirating cruiser. Late game they have a lot to offer too.
Ulstan	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:36:00 - [4] Gallente or minmatar. No contest.
Offensive Striker	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:46:00 - [5] Edited by: Offensive Striker on 28/11/2007 17:46:39 I went with Gallente and got a catalyst for all the guns. I started out with the #2 level guns but I dont have much striking power. The guys I was with last night told me to kill the haulers (thank you for that by the way) and we would split the loot, but i didn't have enough fire power to take them out before i died (is this even possible to kill one before being killed) Im guessing these guys knew this and wanted a few laughs. Guess I will need to start a new character and try again, 3rd time is the charm...lol Oh how do I load up my picture to the forums like you guys have? Cant find that one either
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Offensive Striker Edited by: Offensive Striker on 28/11/2007 17:46:39 I went with Gallente and got a catalyst for all the guns. I started out with the #2 level guns but I dont have much striking power. The guys I was with last night told me to kill the haulers (thank you for that by the way) and we would split the loot, but i didn't have enough fire power to take them out before i died (is this even possible to kill one before being killed) Im guessing these guys knew this and wanted a few laughs. Guess I will need to start a new character and try again, 3rd time is the charm...lol Oh how do I load up my picture to the forums like you guys have? Cant find that one either It is possible, just takes a lot more skillpoints than you start out with. A rupture can kill most non-tanked haulers with a few months of training.
das licht Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.28 17:56:00 - [7] I would probably go with rockets and drones. Means caldari ships.
Feyran Loa'thin	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:24:00 - [8] does it? none of the rocket ships i use have a drone bay. Quote: "To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost." - Gustave Flaubert
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:47:00 - [9] Really any race is good for pirating Amarr have the punisher which is awesome for belt piracy Minmatar have the rifter which is also awesome at belt piracy Gallente have the nice drone bay on pretty much all their ships And caldari have the "set it and forget it" missiles -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=- Winning or Losing doesn't matter, as long as the fight itself was good.
Sirius Problem Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.28 18:51:00 - [10] Edited by: Sirius Problem on 28/11/2007 18:52:19 Quote: The guys I was with last night told me to kill the haulers (thank you for that by the way) and we would split the loot, but i didn't have enough fire power to take them out before i died (is this even possible to kill one before being killed) No matter what ship you fly or how good you are, if you fire on an "innocent" ship in a hi security (hi-sec) system (0.5 - 1.0) the police (CONCORD) are going to show up, and they will kill you. If you happend to be in low-sec (0.1 - 0.4) there is no CONCORD/cops to deal with, but there are sentry guns at jump gates and stations that will attempt to kill you for aggression against an innocent ship. A destroyer class vessel such as your Catalyst has no chance to survive sentry gun fire. I don't know if you were in hi or low sec, but the guys you were with set you up to fail. Quote: Guess I will need to start a new character and try again, 3rd time is the charm Why would you need to start a new character? Regardless of character, you will have buy skillbooks and train the many skills required to become proficient at flying the ships you choose and the "career" path you wish to follow. Gallente is a fine race for PvP/pirating, but any race can fly any ship, all you do is train for it. However, the race you start with sets you up with a battery of skills already trained to jump start your career in that race's ships and weapons. Go to the recruitment forums and either post your desire to join a pirate corp that accepts new players, or look for one advertising for new players. There is no faster way to learn than to be in a good player corp. Eve has a lot of subtle complexities and it takes quite a bit of time to become "good", but it has a lot to offer and well worth sticking to it. ---- Some people say I have a bad attitude. Those people are stupid.
Offensive Striker	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:09:00 - [11] The idea to kill the hauler was an attempt to reach the riches faster. One of the guys was talking about making a billion from one ship kill doing this same technique. One person would be killed while th eother person got the wares and ran. Then meet up and split the spoils. Im not sure what level the space was but it was called peremetar
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:11:00 - [12] I was Amarr at first and i never regretted it. Maller is an awesome ship in which i still use today, only cruiser to tank sentries and still pop targets under the gate guns. Harbinger / Punisher / Vengence / Sader / Sacriledge / Curse / Arbitrator i could go on with the Battleships because you can use the NeutApoc and pretty much own most ships if setup correctly and setup a geddon for fast lock and damage. But imho Amarr are very good choice and for those like me who love amarr will also say they are the best aswell. Remember to take price of ships and fittings into your equations when taking pirating into account. Amarr are cheap becus supposedly there rubbish -which is beyond me. ------ [Video] Forever Pirate 4
Darkopteron Fatalix Inc. THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Offensive Striker The idea to kill the hauler was an attempt to reach the riches faster. One of the guys was talking about making a billion from one ship kill doing this same technique. One person would be killed while th eother person got the wares and ran. Then meet up and split the spoils. Im not sure what level the space was but it was called peremetar Perimeter, it's next to Jita which is the biggest trade hub in the game. What you are talking about is called high sec suicide ganking, not really classed as piracy. You will lose your ship within a few seconds. The idea is to carefully pick a target whose cargo you've scanned, to make your loss worthwile.
Offensive Striker	Posted - 2007.11.28 19:39:00 - [14] Thank you for that Dark...makes sense why I could find nothing on here about this. As honor among thieves go, I am assuming this killing is frowned upon and was probably why I was recruited as the fall guy
Overseer Goth Logistic Exposium Industries	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:00:00 - [15] Im not sure how its done, but i can tell you that my haulers were popped by a couple kestrals. I had to hire privateers to keep them away from us. We have since equipped all our industrials with resists and plates to prevent this from happening, but it was sad to see all that extra cargo space disappear..oh well, whatcha gonna do? As far as a single frigate taking one out, it doesn't seem like it would work, but these guys are creative
Rawrior Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.28 20:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Grunanca Originally by: Offensive Striker Edited by: Offensive Striker on 28/11/2007 17:46:39 I went with Gallente and got a catalyst for all the guns. I started out with the #2 level guns but I dont have much striking power. The guys I was with last night told me to kill the haulers (thank you for that by the way) and we would split the loot, but i didn't have enough fire power to take them out before i died (is this even possible to kill one before being killed) Im guessing these guys knew this and wanted a few laughs. Guess I will need to start a new character and try again, 3rd time is the charm...lol Oh how do I load up my picture to the forums like you guys have? Cant find that one either It is possible, just takes a lot more skillpoints than you start out with. A rupture can kill most non-tanked haulers with a few months of training. hauler griefing.. arnt you l33t. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
mikeh24 UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.28 23:09:00 - [17] Only the truly skilled kill haulers in high sec, yes that's a lie.
me bored	Posted - 2007.11.29 12:55:00 - [18] Edited by: me bored on 29/11/2007 12:58:39 Amarr or minny. Amarr have great turret dps and are the best at killing npcers and miners because most of them fly caldari and often don't harden against EM. Minmitar have a large advantage in targeting speed and can change damage types. Gallente are easily the worst race for pirating. Drones are simply to cumbersome and unreliable to be relied upon as weapons when time is of the essence and you don't want to be waiting for your slow ass drones to fly back to you when a blob is incoming. You're sometimes forced to leave them behind which can cut into your profits. Caldari are also fairly poor because they can't spare many midslots for tackling. Their EW boats are amazing in gangs but they're terrible solo because they can't mount a strong enough tank to stand up to sentry fire for very long.
Aranbaal	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:33:00 - [19] Jump in an abaddon and kill everything in sight. Best Bs arround.
Lord Zoran Caldari CrAzyF1sTs	Posted - 2007.11.29 18:42:00 - [20] Originally by: kessah I was Amarr at first and i never regretted it. Maller is an awesome ship in which i still use today, only cruiser to tank sentries and still pop targets under the gate guns. Harbinger / Punisher / Vengence / Sader / Sacriledge / Curse / Arbitrator i could go on with the Battleships because you can use the NeutApoc and pretty much own most ships if setup correctly and setup a geddon for fast lock and damage. But imho Amarr are very good choice and for those like me who love amarr will also say they are the best aswell. Remember to take price of ships and fittings into your equations when taking pirating into account. Amarr are cheap becus supposedly there rubbish -which is beyond me. thorax can also kill things while under sentry fire, anyway i'm getting ito amarr a bit now and i'm enjoying it generally most people pvp in gallente or minmatar but in most cases it means they like drones or they like nano, gl with the yarr --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
SloBones mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Offensive Striker The idea to kill the hauler was an attempt to reach the riches faster. One of the guys was talking about making a billion from one ship kill doing this same technique. One person would be killed while th eother person got the wares and ran. Then meet up and split the spoils. Im not sure what level the space was but it was called peremetar LOL you are trying to suicide gank a hauler in high sec. This can be done but you need multiple ships at least 3 characters and a hauler character to accomplish this task. Not saying that you can't do this, but you definetly can't do this alone... Like someone said above me JOIN A PIRATE CORP... They'll set you straight
Misina Arlath	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:29:00 - [22] If you want to pirate, the best place to start is in low-sec roid belts. Find people ratting and engage them, but be ready to bail if the fight doesnt go your way. Another option is to steal loot from people ratting in high-sec and hope they attack you so you can kill them. Optionally steal from the j-cans miners use. Basically you just want to get some PvP experience in the beginning. You can do missions for agents to learn the basics of how your guns work, the orbit and keep at range commands, how different ammo affects range and damage, how the tanking works, either shield boosting or armor repairing. There's alot to learn and you can learn the basics easiest by just doing a few missions at first. Not sure if you have really decided on a race yet. I play Amarr myself, and I love the Punisher, especially with trained up resistance skills and proper passive tanks on it. Minmatar is a great way to go as well, with the Rifter. It's fast and speed is incrediably important in EVE, and it uses non-cap'using guns such as autocannons, which leaves more cap for running reppers, scramblers etc. To be honest, I think all the races can handle themselves as pirates one way or another, depending on what ships you get, how you fit them and how good your skills are in certain areas. As has been suggested though, find a character/race you like, and try to join a pirate corp. Join them for some belt hunting and such and see how you like it. Just be warned though, there is SO much to learn in Eve when you are new that in the beginning you will feel completely overwhelmed. Oh, and learn how the scanner/overview works. It's the most important tool for a pirate hunting in belts.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Doddy on 30/11/2007 00:22:47 Originally by: Offensive Striker Edited by: Offensive Striker on 28/11/2007 17:46:39 I went with Gallente and got a catalyst for all the guns. I started out with the #2 level guns but I dont have much striking power. The guys I was with last night told me to kill the haulers (thank you for that by the way) and we would split the loot, but i didn't have enough fire power to take them out before i died (is this even possible to kill one before being killed) Im guessing these guys knew this and wanted a few laughs. Guess I will need to start a new character and try again, 3rd time is the charm...lol Oh how do I load up my picture to the forums like you guys have? Cant find that one either Just to make sure, you did attack a hauler in non hi sec right? If you attack a player piloted hauler in above 0.5 sec the police will kill you regardless. If you do it in 0.1 to 0.4 sec then if you are at gate or station the sentry guns will kill you (you need a far more advanced character and ship to "tank" sentries. If you are trying to "suicide gank" i.e. kill the hauler in hi-sec knowing you will lose your ship then you need someone to scoop the loot for you. edit - oops several people said that already, oh well. For starting out in any form of PvP i would say go minmatar so you can use the rifter, probably the best "pound for pound" ship in eve tbh.
Offensive Striker	Posted - 2007.11.30 06:36:00 - [24] I appreciate all the responses. They were informative and did not contain the condescending comments I expected. It going to be a slow grind I can tell. I need to learn some of the passive skills to make money to buy a ship before I can successfully begin my pirate career. I am assuming that everyone was once a miner in order to afford the luxury of a cruiser ship. My recent industrial ship attack has left me with the starter ship, and I should be able to get into the next step up ship by this weekend once I cash in on the friendly neighborhood astroids. Hope to see you guys soon
zorgluba Doom Guard	Posted - 2007.11.30 09:42:00 - [25] Hello, I see two ways to read your question : 1. what is the best piratin race at all ? After you put some time into skilling every race has decent prirating ships, As you've seen from the answers everyone has his own opinion so in the end it's more what/how you like to fly. 2. What is the best race to choose when creating character to be a pirate. I find that the best choice to be an efficient pirate as soon as possible would be : - Minmatar - Brutor - Slave child - Military - Soldier With this you can use that fitting within less than two hours : Rifter 3x 200mm small autocannon (even T2 since you have small guns 5 from start), small nos MWD, scram, web overdrive/plate/DC/gyro/small armor repper/... I pod ... nano
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.30 13:48:00 - [26] Originally by: kessah I was Amarr at first and i never regretted it. Maller is an awesome ship in which i still use today, only cruiser to tank sentries and still pop targets under the gate guns. Harbinger / Punisher / Vengence / Sader / Sacriledge / Curse / Arbitrator i could go on with the Battleships because you can use the NeutApoc and pretty much own most ships if setup correctly and setup a geddon for fast lock and damage. But imho Amarr are very good choice and for those like me who love amarr will also say they are the best aswell. Remember to take price of ships and fittings into your equations when taking pirating into account. Amarr are cheap becus supposedly there rubbish -which is beyond me. Dude, pls ... have mercy. I like my Amarr stuff cheap. :) Seriously now, Amarr are good, Kessah is right - download his vids and take a look at them btw. Amarr have some issues, basically the fact that you need to invest more SP into them than you would invest in other races. The same goes for the Minmatar race. What i personally like about Amarr is the way they are seen by many players - as crap. Most ppl in Caldari space wouldn't know what kind of DPS a Zealot/Absolution/Arbitrator/Armageddon/Harbinger can do and that is off-course very good. :) If you choose Amarr, don't get carried by the threads on ships&mods, and just play the game. Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks.
Misina Arlath	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:00:00 - [27] If you are going for a pirate career, I am assuming you are choosing either the Soldier or the Spec-Ops templates when you create your character. If so, do NOT do mining to make cash in the beginning. Your mining skills, as a soldier/spec-ops, SUCK! You have 1 rank in mining, and you don't want to waste Skillpoints into Mining and Industry skills that you are not going to use later anyhow. Rather focus on getting missions from Agents, and do missions for Command, Security or Internal Security agents, since they give mostly kill-missions (as opposed to courier missions) That will earn you decent amount of cash as rewards, even more cash as loot from rats you kill (and maybe even useful modules for you), not to mention, you get some practice with combat in using different repair systems, weapons and so forth. Screw the mining, go for the killing. At least thats my opinion.
Kiyirari Sick and Twisted	Posted - 2007.11.30 14:50:00 - [28] I would not even consider suicide ganking haulers in empire with a rookie pilot as you will most certianly end up dead within 10 seconds. You can not tank long enough in a frigate to out last the barrage of fire from sentry guns and concord which do all known types of damage You would at least require a cruiser fitted with 1600 plate or 800 plates with resist mods, to attempt a suicide gank noting that you will need good skills to pull this off, with preference of a battle cruiser ( DRAKE ) for ganking a low sec gate which only requires a suitable tank to defend against sentry guns. For the time being i suggest belt piracy in your early days to toned your skills at pvp whilst gaining suitable SP in the required areas needed to do the job. Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Dopple Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.11.30 15:07:00 - [29] As you can see there are quite alot of answers to your question. Choose a race you like and train the skills you need. You have mentioned rockets and some decent cheap rocket ships can be found in the Ammar T2 line. And they are black which is of course piratey looking. Any race can train for anything in the game. Also check out EVEMon as it can help you line up your training.

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