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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.30 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Last time you flew a Amarr ship, according to killboard, was 2006. Case Closed.
Unfortunately my Guardian doesn't get on many killmails .. it might be due to the lack of weapons. Also, my last combat kill in an Ammar ship was July this year, I was flying a Malediction. Before I lost that ship I was in a Heretic. Before that ship I was in a Megathron. Before that a Pilgrim (Which I lost June this year, just before the NOS nerf, so that was okay).
My Combat alt ONLY flys Amarr.
Why would you post misinformation which is so easily checked?
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.30 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 30/11/2007 12:34:34
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 30/11/2007 09:31:38
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Last time you flew a Amarr ship, according to killboard, was 2006. Case Closed.
Unfortunately my Guardian doesn't get on many killmails .. it might be due to the lack of weapons. Also, my last combat kill in an Amarr ship was July this year, I was flying a Malediction. Before I lost that ship I was in a Heretic. Before that ship I was in a Megathron. Before that a Pilgrim (Which I lost June this year, just before the NOS nerf, so that was okay).
My Combat alt ONLY flys Amarr.
Why would you post misinformation which is so easily checked?
I do not doubt Amarr have some half decent ships, since every non-laser Amarr ship is the only thing anyware close to being competitive (and even then its not easy). Pilgrim/Curse are now nerfed into almost uselessness, other than 1 trick pony's, but you understand this
But since we were talking about Lasers (which you said you crosstrained to), that was my point. If lasers where that good, why do you use a Mega insted of a Apoc/Abaddon etc? After all, you say so your self, the last time you used a Amarr ship was in July, almost 6 months ago. On top of that, the last Amarr battleship you used was in 2006. The heretic is a dictor and all dictors are there to drop bubbles. Hardly anyone fits combat dictors, but who knows, they are a decent enough cepter replacement. Speaking of cepters, you used a Amarr cepter and cepters are just tacklers, to hold down targets. Thats it, its not as though they exist to lay smackdown, though I understand gangs of cepters can do so.
The other Amarr ships you mention are basically Caldari Missle ships, though I agree with you, the Guardian is good because so many people Armour Tank. You wont kill anything with a guardian, since the killers are usually ships that do not use lasers.
/CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar! |

N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.30 13:06:00 -
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I killed some people last night with my Anathema.
I have had that same Anathema and covops cloak since I started flying covops last year.
OMG Anathema overpowered!!! NERF!!!
Nope, I just know how to fly a ship and not die *cloaks* ¼_¼ á ============================================
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar Unified Naval Command
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Posted - 2007.11.30 14:15:00 -
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nononnono. all amar pilots fly to jita and drop cans of bm's all at the same time. crash jita to protest.
taking out a major trade hub would be a serious thorn in ccp's side. and they can't pull out thorns with a nerf bat. ---
Originally by: Goumindong Amarr ships ought to be, by the Amarran design philosophy, little more than armor plated nuclear reactors with lasers sticking out of the sides and rockets on the back
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BCBArclight
Odessa Operations Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.30 14:56:00 -
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Easiest thing would be to make and petition saying:
You: "My ship is broke"
Reply from GM: "How"
You: "I'm flying an Amarr ship"
Do this constantly when the petition is closed for each amarr player  Odessa Ops, Anti-Pirate 0.0 PvP corp - Newbs and Corp Mergers Welcome
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Aranbaal
Minmatar Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:46:00 -
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Theres so many Amarr suck threads bout these days.
Being a pirate and flying with people who almost always use amarr for pvp as they find em teh best of all the races for it, i find myself wondering....
So what the hell is actually wrong with Amarr??
I cant find anyone i know in game that sees a problem with them, just people on here complaining.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.30 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 30/11/2007 15:52:57
Originally by: Aranbaal Theres so many Amarr suck threads bout these days.
Being a pirate and flying with people who almost always use amarr for pvp as they find em teh best of all the races for it, i find myself wondering....
So what the hell is actually wrong with Amarr??
I cant find anyone i know in game that sees a problem with them, just people on here complaining.
A Minmatar Troll. Saying that you dont know what is wrong with Amarr despite there being several thread about the subject. I would love to see these Amarr pirates, with their lack of midslots, have to say. Unless you are talking about Caldai..... Sorry, I mean Khanid ships? My oh my. /CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar! |

Dragos Mrs
PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dragos Mrs on 30/11/2007 16:03:44 Edited by: Dragos Mrs on 30/11/2007 16:03:08
Originally by: UGWidowmaker
as a rebellion i therefor sugest this..
1. the amarr citicents will NOT log on the TQ server for 24 houres after the patch is released. this is to show ccp that we are tired of the fact we suck.
please all amarr follow this and DONT log on in 24 houres. Quote:
first, wha? citicents? but a 24 hour sit down strike won't accomplish much.. you won't be in game, and you will still be PAYING to.. uh, not play.
not that it's going to make a difference but instead of having a ton of people NOT play, why not have all the people make amarr alts and name them something with strike in their name and have'em camp out in a system like jita with the crapiest amarrian ships they can find, name'em things like " sucky " or something witty about how amarrians need help. instead of a 24 hour sit out.. why not have a 24/7 strike till you get some dev feedback. important thing would be to stay positive. 
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:11:00 -
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cry more.
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I am started to become convinced that people who whine about Amarr ships haven't actually ever undocked.
I have to agree with Avon here. The problem with Amarr seems to be the people flying it.
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Armoured C
Gallente Globaltech Industries Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:18:00 -
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for those of you who actually fly amar you have a very nice ship comming otu in trinity which i am perticaully looking foward to seeing in combat and that is the electronic frigate ....that thing is going to be the destroyer of things it has amazing boosts so stop complaining i am considering training up just to fly it @.@ that how good it is amarr is being boosted but slowly and steadly
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 30/11/2007 16:23:16
Originally by: Armoured C for those of you who actually fly amar you have a very nice ship comming otu in trinity which i am perticaully looking foward to seeing in combat and that is the electronic frigate ....that thing is going to be the destroyer of things it has amazing boosts so stop complaining i am considering training up just to fly it @.@ that how good it is amarr is being boosted but slowly and steadly
The New Amarr Frig in Trinity has nos bonus. Except it does not have enough cap, nor drain amount to make it a serious alternative to the pilot flying another ship that can actually shoot. The worst t2 frig in the game and it is obvious that there is no planning been done for whoever designed this ship. It looks like the Amarr version was just a filler ship for the sake of it. I cannot conceave a real world pvp senario where the new amarr t2 frig is of any advantage to the pilot flying another ship /CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar! |

Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Avon I am started to become convinced that people who whine about Amarr ships haven't actually ever undocked.
I have to agree with Avon here. The problem with Amarr seems to be the people flying it.
So you feel that lasers and Amarr are perfectly balanced? /CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar! |

Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.11.30 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Avon I am started to become convinced that people who whine about Amarr ships haven't actually ever undocked.
I have to agree with Avon here. The problem with Amarr seems to be the people flying it.
So you feel that lasers and Amarr are perfectly balanced?
Since I undock with my Amarr spec BS/Command Ship pilot for pvp -- yes, I think it is fine compared to my Gallante spec pilot.
Or was this whine about Amarr in PVE?
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Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: UGWidowmaker i know alot of people are getting tired about us amarr *****s who whine all the time, NON theles there is a reason for it.. amarr as they are SUCK. and cant be used formuch but being bate, which they OWN at. however the amarr pilots want to pewpew alot more too..
as a rebellion i therefor sugest this..
1. the amarr citicents will NOT log on the TQ server for 24 houres after the patch is released. this is to show ccp that we are tired of the fact we suck.
2. hope that the amarrs will soon get a buff..
ps. even thou im not amarr i trained amarr as primary so i can actually whine.. at the time i started the caracter amarr was the uber race. now they are mere shade of themselv. the amarr race DOES not want to be uber, but ffs is it to much to ask for em to be as good as the rest ?
please all amarr follow this and DONT log on in 24 houres.
when all that negativ crap is said, then i wouldlike to say thx for the new gfx, it rocks ccp. but eye candy just aint all...
beef up the amarr please.
I fly Amarr exclusively. I've skilled up 2 other races. They Suck.
We have the best command ships (both types) and the best battleship in game bar none (Abaddon), the best carrier and a very nice dreadnought. Other classes are average, but the HIC looks exceptionally brutal, as does the Marauder.
Learn to play. Seriously.
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:11:00 -
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Amarr / Caldari combo = win New nightmare = god, in ship form.
* Yeah, that's right... it was me all along. And I would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those pesky kids |

Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Shadoo
Originally by: Avon I am started to become convinced that people who whine about Amarr ships haven't actually ever undocked.
I have to agree with Avon here. The problem with Amarr seems to be the people flying it.
So you feel that lasers and Amarr are perfectly balanced?
Since I undock with my Amarr spec BS/Command Ship pilot for pvp -- yes, I think it is fine compared to my Gallante spec pilot.
Or was this whine about Amarr in PVE?
Sounds excellent. I have found a single person who thinks Amarr lasers are balanced. It must be great to meat someone who only fights people who dont use compensation skills. All this about CCP laser nerfs when CCP increased fitting, Cap usage etc etc to stop other races using lasers as well as EANM issues is quite Amazing. I trust that you, like Avon, have not bothered to use a Amarr BS at it has been 6 months to a year?
WoW, Lots of people use command ships for gang bonus's as possed to firing with lasers. Absolution is good in this respect as so is the Khanid Missle Damnation. Since you also used Amarr Battleship.... might I ask was this back when heatsink nerfs etc did not exist?
Seriously, Everybody knows Lasers are broken, even the devs admit this and that Amarr need some "ooomph". That is why CCP fixed some totally useless Amarr ships by - you guessed it, giving them Missile launcher slots to make them half competitive. /CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar! |

Aranbaal
Minmatar Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 30/11/2007 15:52:57
Originally by: Aranbaal Theres so many Amarr suck threads bout these days.
Being a pirate and flying with people who almost always use amarr for pvp as they find em teh best of all the races for it, i find myself wondering....
So what the hell is actually wrong with Amarr??
I cant find anyone i know in game that sees a problem with them, just people on here complaining.
A Minmatar Troll. Saying that you dont know what is wrong with Amarr despite there being several thread about the subject. I would love to see these Amarr pirates, with their lack of midslots, have to say. Unless you are talking about Caldai..... Sorry, I mean Khanid ships? My oh my.
Spoken like a true (oh i cant superstack heatsinks on my ganka geddon anymore amarr must be broken) whiner amarr pilot. I am still yet to see what you pint is about amarr. The abaddon is the best non faction BS in the game. No if buts or maybe's. If it doesnt work for you then i suggest you learn how to fit ships or run off back to high sec and carebear. The damnation has the best tank of all the commandships, the abso does some damn nice dmg while being able to fit a nice tank also.
Just constantly sayin Amarr is broken just because your fits dont work doesnt mean it actually is. You say lasers are broken. In what way ? they do more dmg than autocannons and from what i have seen are easy to fit. Am guessing you one of these who want em to use no cap anymore cause u obviously need ur cap too much for other things, like ur broken tank fits .
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Midory
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Posted - 2007.11.30 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Midory on 30/11/2007 17:53:36
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.30 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aranbaal
Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 30/11/2007 15:52:57
Originally by: Aranbaal Theres so many Amarr suck threads bout these days.
Being a pirate and flying with people who almost always use amarr for pvp as they find em teh best of all the races for it, i find myself wondering....
So what the hell is actually wrong with Amarr??
I cant find anyone i know in game that sees a problem with them, just people on here complaining.
A Minmatar Troll. Saying that you dont know what is wrong with Amarr despite there being several thread about the subject. I would love to see these Amarr pirates, with their lack of midslots, have to say. Unless you are talking about Caldai..... Sorry, I mean Khanid ships? My oh my.
Spoken like a true (oh i cant superstack heatsinks on my ganka geddon anymore amarr must be broken) whiner amarr pilot. I am still yet to see what you pint is about amarr. The abaddon is the best non faction BS in the game. No if buts or maybe's. If it doesnt work for you then i suggest you learn how to fit ships or run off back to high sec and carebear. The damnation has the best tank of all the commandships, the abso does some damn nice dmg while being able to fit a nice tank also.
Just constantly sayin Amarr is broken just because your fits dont work doesnt mean it actually is. You say lasers are broken. In what way ? they do more dmg than autocannons and from what i have seen are easy to fit. Am guessing you one of these who want em to use no cap anymore cause u obviously need ur cap too much for other things, like ur broken tank fits .
Lasers are broken. CCP increased the Fitting and cap use severly so people in scorps dont use lasers, as lasers were the weapon everyone used in the past. Lasers were balanced in teh past as well. This is why Amarr ships got the cap use reduction to make up for the laser nerf, since lasers had a build in damagemod insted of a ship baised damage bonus.
Damagetypes were not a issue back then because lasers were balanced with standard resists. This was before EANM's existed. Then EANM's and 92.5% base resist ships came out so laser users found their damage drop.Remember - lasers were balanced PRE-EANM/T2 so their damage output is no longer on a par with other races due to fundamental game changes.
What Amarr players want is Lasers to be BALANCED in todays pvp climate. Not OMGWTFBBQ, but Balanced. Currently they are a joke and Amarr pilots are now using non-Amarr weapons to be able to compete in pvp.
An example is a fleet battleship. Amarr fleet battleship needs 3-4 tracking enhancers to hit 160km+ in falloff. Add in 2-3 cap mods and 2-3 fitting mods. See the problem? Not enough slots. Other races probebly need only 1 fitting mod or none. Caldari snipers, for example, need hardly any tracking mods or fitting mods, and Amarr are simply not competitive in this scenario.
Another scenario is pulse's. Amarr lasers are mid range and pvp is not mid range anymore, but there is no point talking to you about this, since you somehow manage to sustain firing guns and dual capboosters on your Amarr ship with MWD with your 30km Scram to keep opponents at Mid range on Sisi. However, on TQ that just does not work. /CCP fix for Amarr is in EVE Trinity - The Trinity of training either Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar! |

Aralt Aran
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Posted - 2007.11.30 21:37:00 -
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I myself find it a problem,that in deepspace you hardly can buy any lasers.Nor amarr t2 ships ,i need to bring everything in. Go to syndicate and look on region market for small lasers you will find none.And that is not even deep pace.
Thats why we are forched to train other races.Or fit our ships with rails and ac guns. Maybe ccp can give amarr a extra bonus on the ships.When you are amarr and fly in a amarr ship.Maybe we get more amarr content in 0.0 then.And more amarr in the game
This is a amarr alt ofc.MC was lauching at my amarr ship that was fitted with minmater guns now they know why 
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.01 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
But since we were talking about Lasers (which you said you crosstrained to), that was my point. If lasers where that good, why do you use a Mega insted of a Apoc/Abaddon etc? After all, you say so your self, the last time you used a Amarr ship was in July, almost 6 months ago.
No, the last time I used an Amarr ship on this character was today, and the day before, and the day before. I said my last combat involvement. This character, for some reason, tends to have a very short lifespan in a firefight, and so is usually doing something in a logistics ship, or something involving cloaking. The Megathron was used because it was the closest available ship. The advantage of being able to fly 151 of the ships in Eve is you can just grab what is available and go play.
My alt *ALWAYS* uses an Apoc in fleet combat, because it is the best all-round fleet combat ship in game. (Sure others might have the edge on paper, but as the game plays, and especially if lag hits, the Apoc is the ship to be in).
I get the feeling that your opinion of other ships in Eve is based on what you have seen other people doing, or what you have heard, rather than personal experience. I *know* what ships are good to fly, and how they compare to the same ship of each race. Amarr may not have the best ship in every single class, but then no race does. Neither are they the worst in each. That is balance.
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Alcyoneus
Amarr BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.01 01:26:00 -
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I have 2 characters that fly only amarr.
I will make a point to log both in the moment the servers come up to show CCP that I completely disagree with people that say that Amarr suck, and feel they just do not know how to fit their ships properly.
I have zero issues with my amarr chars in both PvP and PvE
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.01 01:52:00 -
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Tbh Caldari were in a sorrier state after the Exodus missile nerf than Amarr are now.
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Nariana Verex
Amarr Foundation of Extropian Independents
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Posted - 2007.12.01 03:21:00 -
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Why would CCP care if Amarr pilots didn't log on for a day? They still paid for their accounts. :)
With the changes to pulse lasers, and Khanid ships, I'm confident CCP is just working slowly to un-nerf Amarr. Afterall, each department is responsible for their own section, right?
All we need now is the Un-Nerf Amarr section of CCP to be more than one guy, on a folding chair beside the water cooler. He gets drinks for the cool guys that boost Gallente and Caldari. He's kind of friends with the Minmatar balancers, but they only pretend to like him while they snicker at him behind his back.
So yeah, uh, as soon as Trinity is up, I'm sure as hell logging on. 
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Aranbaal
Minmatar Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2007.12.01 04:10:00 -
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So amarr are broken but yet on every killmail our main amarr pilot is on ehe is top dmg? How can he do this with no heatsinks fitted? Thats a fully tank fitted abaddon out dmg'in gank fitted ships.
Ok so you say lasers are broken , they are too hard to fit and dont do enough dmg. If this is the case why are they easier to fit than autocannons and do more dmg than autocannons. if amarr lasers are broken then mimmi autocannons must be even more broken and need lovin more. maybe its time to start whine threads about em ... i can see it now ..
Amarr guns are brokne but the still better than mimmi guns .. mimmi need buff'in .. lets all go on strike for a buff lol
Damn people just learn how to fly ur ships and stop whining about things that are just fine.
Maybe someone else knows of somethign that is amarr that is actually broken? if so plz tell us ...
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.12.01 05:04:00 -
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I dont know whether to laugh or cry right now.
Amarr have problems. True.
Amarr are broken. False.
Get over it. -
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