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Shanderley Rialla	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:26:00 - [1] Hi miners, I'm currently mining with a Bantam, and learning the necessary skills fo commanding a Mammoth. I planned on using the Bantam for the mining into a can, fly back to the base and fetch the ore with my Mammoth. Standard procedure. I browsed the item database a couple of minutes ago and noticed that the Mammoth has two high slots - the same as the Bantam. So, wouldn't it be more effective to mine with the Mammoth from the beginning? I would not need to switch ships all the time, but on the other hand I'd loose the mining efficiency from the Bantam. Could I try mining with the Mammoth, or is the "standard" way more effective?
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:33:00 - [2] it does have 2 high slots, but just one turretslot. It's no different in that respect from other haulers. So, no :) Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Shanderley Rialla	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:52:00 - [3] Ahh, that's the catch! ;) Thanks for answering!
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.29 14:53:00 - [4] Also, haulers do not have any mining bonusses. This means that over time, even a Burst will mine more ore than an Iteron 5 or similar. The sole advantage hold mining has is that you can go AFK and come back to either a full cargo hold or a depleted asteroid. It's completely hands off as opposed to ninja mining or jetcan mining.
Panch0Villa Caldari AFK	Posted - 2007.11.29 15:56:00 - [5] Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/11/2007 15:56:08 1: It's unlikely that you find a big enough asteroid that will make it effective for you to just leave your indy mining overnight or during the day that you will get anywhere near enough to fill your cargohold. I commonly see the biggest roids at about 30-40k units of the hi-sec ores. This means about 400 m3 of veldspar. Idk how big the other ore roids can get, but it won't leave you mining for very long. 2: You have one mining laser. Unbonused. JUST ONE! To give you an example: A regular unbonused Miner I gets 42 m3 per cycle. that's 2520 m3 per hour. A bantam with Frigate IV with 2 miner I's gets about 9072 m3 of ore per hour. That means you could mine 2720 m3 in just 18 minutes of mining! Oh, and if you add Miner II's into the equation, good god: 15,552 m3 per hour! That means you can mine over 3000 m3 in just ten minutes! I could mine the same amount of ore in a Bantam in an hour as it would take an industrial for 6 hours, IF there was any asteroids big enough to feed your mining laser for that long... With the Bantam, I'd just switch asteroids once they deplete. If you go AFK on an indy, if the asteroid is depleted, that's just idle time. 3: Indy's have only one turret hardpoint. One laser is all you can use. Re vera, potas bene.
Viilaa Caldari OH Corp	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Panch0Villa Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/11/2007 15:56:08 1: It's unlikely that you find a big enough asteroid that will make it effective for you to just leave your indy mining overnight or during the day that you will get anywhere near enough to fill your cargohold. I commonly see the biggest roids at about 30-40k units of the hi-sec ores. This means about 400 m3 of veldspar. Idk how big the other ore roids can get, but it won't leave you mining for very long. I have recently run into Veldspar asteroids containing over 100k ore and in empire space. Basically the belt I found just hasn't been touched by most miners or the macro miners in a long time and grows a few k each day... I could spend a week mining there and not touch the belt. Viilaa
Panch0Villa Caldari AFK	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/11/2007 17:49:14 Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/11/2007 17:47:45 100k m3? or 100k units of veld? 100k units of veld = 1000 m3 of veld. Meaning you would pop that roid in not too many cycles anyways. If it's a 100k m3 roid, then either it's in low sec, or it's a nice belt and you would do well to keep macros away from there. No one touches veld in low sec. EDIT: I highly doubt it's a 100k m3 roid. If you're using a survey scanner, then it's units of veldspar, not m3. Re vera, potas bene.
Aldirien Rathmore Amarr White Wolf Enterprises Harmonious Ascent	Posted - 2007.11.29 17:53:00 - [8] Another option to consider past a frigate is using a destroyer. I have used a Coercer(Amarr) with the following fit with good results: 4 x XeCl Drilling Beam I 4 x Dual Modal Light Laser I 3 x Nanoelectrical Co-Processor 1 x Med Slot for what ever you want 1 x Low Slot for whatever you want Each cycle pulls 235 cubic meters and the lasers and stoutness of the destroyer let me routinely mine and fend off rats in 0.5 space. You don't even need to shut off the miners when under attack, just queue up the targets and you wont run out of cap. You don't see many mining destroyers but the cost outlay is pretty small considering the amount of ore you can pull in. The hold is only 300 cubic meters so you either have to move each cycles ore batch to a jetcan or use secured containers. I've used both and have had no problem pulling in 2-3 million ISK per evening mining in 0.5+ space. If you have someone to fend off the rats you can also dump the fighting lasers, add another XeCl miner and another Co-Processor to bump the output close to 300 cubic meters per cycle. I should add that these stats are what I get with mining 5.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Kessiaan on 29/11/2007 20:20:08 Originally by: Panch0Villa Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/11/2007 17:49:14 Edited by: Panch0Villa on 29/11/2007 17:47:45 100k m3? or 100k units of veld? 100k units of veld = 1000 m3 of veld. Meaning you would pop that roid in not too many cycles anyways. 100K units of veld = 10Km3 of veld. Veld is .1 per unit, I think you got it mixed up with trit, which is .01 per unit . 90K (unit-wise) veld roids are actually very common mission rocks, which may have been what he was referring to. To the OP, don't mine in haulers, it really is so slow that the amount you save in not having to deal with ore thieves pales in how much you lose, even a basic mining frigate will outmine any hauler by a mile, as has already been shown above. ----- My in Eve Profile
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.11.29 20:35:00 - [10] If you have to mine alone and mine afk (for example if you're dong homework or catching up on some reading in the mean time) mining in a hauler makes a lot of sense. 1.0-0.9 doesn't spawn rats and so it perfect for afk mining. You can even go to 0.8 systems and perma-shield tank a hauler against the local rats to mine afk there. The catch is that it is going to go very slow and you can make much more money if you mine in something else. On the positive side you can take your eyes off the screen and go do something else in the 10-15 minute intervals which isn't possible with a mining cruiser or mining barge, and you can mine alone with not much of a hassle and not worry about ore thieves. guide to game time codes
Vivian Porter	Posted - 2007.11.29 21:40:00 - [11] Yes. There is definitely a place for hauler mining. If you have something you can do - or want to do - while sitting next to your computer - it works out really well. Having multiple accounts, I got 4 of my characters in haulers and had each of them looping a rock - other than the one they were mining. I could sit there and watch TV or a video I wanted to see - and get some mining done at the same time. Every now and then, like during the commercials, I'd go cycle through my characters to see if their rock had run out or if they'd taken off into space ... which happens sometimes ... then I'd go back to whatever else I was doing. In comparison to paying attention and using something more suitable to mining - no - they don't compare. In comparison to getting NO MINING DONE AT ALL because you are busy doing something else - it works really well. 4 Iteron III's worth of Ore compared to Zero Ore - yeah ... I'll take that. Mostly now ... I mine with retrievers as I'm playing different alt's and there is a bit of effort you need to put into monitoring your mining haulers so I don't do it so much any more ... but I probably should. One other advantage of doing that - is that if you are working on a skill that is going to take an hour or so - if you leave the guy just sitting in the station - it will log you out. If you're out there looping a rock doing something productive - it won't. So ... when you get the skill done - you won't have to log back in again - and - it will say "Skill Training Complete" over the speaker so you'll hear it. If you've been logged out - it won't do that.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.11.29 22:58:00 - [12] Hauler mining? 1 T2 mining laser = 60m3 per 60 seconds Mining veldspar, that,s 60m3/hour or 600 units/hour of veldspar if you sell at 9 isk/unit, that gives you 5.4k isk per hour 5 400 isk per hour The bounty on easy small rats is more than that. ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Stefx Hauler mining? 1 T2 mining laser = 60m3 per 60 seconds Mining veldspar, that,s 60m3/hour or 600 units/hour of veldspar if you sell at 9 isk/unit, that gives you 5.4k isk per hour 5 400 isk per hour The bounty on easy small rats is more than that. One of newbies in a corp I was in said that he made something like from 400-600K ISK every 3 hours of mining in a hauler. guide to game time codes
Panch0Villa Caldari AFK	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:20:00 - [14] I think we can all agree, it's a pretty inefficient way of making isk. Maybe some ppl have some free time to do this, and utilizing idle time inefficiently is better than not utilizing it at all, but I'm thinking mining in almost anything other than a hauler would be better. Quite honestly, I can make several mil an hour in a good barge or osprey semi-afk, or I can spend 10 manhours of complete idle time mining in a hauler. Course, you could also spend your "idle time" making money via trading, a much more lucrative time-efficient way to make isk. To each his own, if you like mining in a hauler and it works for you, more power to you. Re vera, potas bene.
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.11.29 23:24:00 - [15] Edited by: Stefx on 29/11/2007 23:24:24 Originally by: Leora Nomen One of newbies in a corp I was in said that he made something like from 400-600K ISK every 3 hours of mining in a hauler. I showed you the facts (even calculated with a T2 mining laser!!) that lead to the result of 5 400 isk per hour. Show me your numbers (no hear-say), how do you come up with 400-600k per hour? ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Stefx Edited by: Stefx on 29/11/2007 23:24:24 Originally by: Leora Nomen One of newbies in a corp I was in said that he made something like from 400-600K ISK every 3 hours of mining in a hauler. I showed you the facts (even calculated with a T2 mining laser!!) that lead to the result of 5 400 isk per hour. Show me your numbers (no hear-say), how do you come up with 400-600k per hour? Ok here are the calculations: 1 miner II that you can fit onto your industrial mines 60 units of ore in 1 minute. With Mining IV and Astrogeology IV you have 40% bonus to mining yield of this laser or 84 units or ore per minute. You can also have a mining upgrade on your hauler - but I'll omit it. Lets look at different ore prices and how much ISK you can mine up in 3 hours time: Veldspar - 8.4 ISK/unit in Jita : (84 units/1min)(8.4 ISK/unit)(60 min/h)*3h = 127,600 ISK per 3 hours Scordite - 11.5 ISK/unit in Jita : 173,800 ISK per 3 hours mining Plagioclase - 32.6 ISK/unit in Jita: 538,200 ISK per 3 hours mining Kernite - 160 ISK/unit in Tash-Murkon Prime : 2,419,200 ISK per 3 hours mining Omber - 40 ISK/unit in Oursulaert : 604,800 ISK per 3 hours mining Thus assuming you pick out some nicer stuff to mine - go for Scordite, Plag, Kernite, and Omber and try to mine named varieties of ore (like azure, luminous and such) - you can make 400-600K ISK per 3 hours of mining. My calculations do not include mining upgrades which can bump your yields additional 5-9%. guide to game time codes
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.11.30 00:47:00 - [17] Ah, I had forgotten to multiply by 60! Thanks ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Max Godsnottlingson Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.11.30 10:34:00 - [18] I think the only people who regularly mine with Industrials, are folks who can get onto Eve at work. Set their Indy chewing on a rock, set Eve into the background, get on with real life work, look in now and then to set it to chewing on another rock. As said before, it's a very inefficiant way to mine, but when inefficiant is better then nothing, it helps to get the iskies trickling in
Sirtak	Posted - 2007.11.30 11:52:00 - [19] Leora, 160 for Kernite at Tash-Murkon prime? Last time I checked, you could count on moving it easily at 300, with even higher prices in other regions.
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Stefx Hauler mining? 1 T2 mining laser = 60m3 per 60 seconds Mining veldspar, that,s 60m3/hour or 600 units/hour of veldspar if you sell at 9 isk/unit, that gives you 5.4k isk per hour 5 400 isk per hour The bounty on easy small rats is more than that. your math is flawed. mining veld it is 600 units per MINUTE not hour. Per hour it is 60 times that.... plus you are assuming no skill in mining or astrogeology
Stefx Gallente Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2007.11.30 16:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Lurtz Originally by: Stefx Hauler mining? 1 T2 mining laser = 60m3 per 60 seconds Mining veldspar, that,s 60m3/hour or 600 units/hour of veldspar if you sell at 9 isk/unit, that gives you 5.4k isk per hour 5 400 isk per hour The bounty on easy small rats is more than that. your math is flawed. mining veld it is 600 units per MINUTE not hour. Per hour it is 60 times that.... plus you are assuming no skill in mining or astrogeology Your reading is flawed, as the error has already been pointed out and I acknowledged it. ----------- MOP recruiting Industrialists/miners/traders/missioners/etc
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.11.30 18:20:00 - [22] Edited by: Lurtz on 30/11/2007 18:21:39 Originally by: Stefx Originally by: Lurtz Originally by: Stefx Hauler mining? 1 T2 mining laser = 60m3 per 60 seconds Mining veldspar, that,s 60m3/hour or 600 units/hour of veldspar if you sell at 9 isk/unit, that gives you 5.4k isk per hour 5 400 isk per hour The bounty on easy small rats is more than that. your math is flawed. mining veld it is 600 units per MINUTE not hour. Per hour it is 60 times that.... plus you are assuming no skill in mining or astrogeology Your reading is flawed, as the error has already been pointed out and I acknowledged it. Congratulations. I didn't read to the end only to the mistake, and then 2 post later you harping on how your numbers only got 5400. 'show me your numbers' My reading was not flawed, merely incomplete. I think calling your math flawed was very diplomatic. It wasn't a flame and didn't call for an attack. While I agree that indy mining is not efficient, if you aren't doing anything else it can make a modest income and isn't as miserable as you first portrayed. moving on.... edit: 3 post later not 2

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