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Posted - 2007.11.29 21:59:00 -
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It seems to me that heavy interdictors are superior to them in every way and will soon be making them redundant. Will light interdictors still have their own role? Will there be any reason to choose one over a heavy interdictor?
I'm extremely fond of my eris and her little flashlight and it breaks my heart to see her being replaced like this. |
Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 29/11/2007 22:06:30
 Originally by: me bored
It seems to me that heavy interdictors are superior to them in every way and will soon be making them redundant. Will light interdictors still have their own role? Will there be any reason to choose one over a heavy interdictor?
I'm extremely fond of my eris and her little flashlight and it breaks my heart to see her being replaced like this.
Think you have no clue how both of em work, so ill enlighten you:
Small dictor advantages (over heavy ones):
1. they are much faster
2. they lock much faster
3. they can gtfo from combat when they want due to speed (with few exceptions)
4. due to 1 and 3 they are also much more resistant (speed > tank, almost always)
5. their bubbles work even if they die
6. their bubbles can drag from warp
7. they can still perma tackle mothership as long as they have bubbles in cargo (where hvy dictors will die except for nano-broadsword)
8. they will still murder ceptors (unless ceptor is nanoed/snakes/gistii one)
9. they will be MUCH cheaper (10-20x)
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:10:00 -
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Advantages will be cost, pulling ships from warp, and speed (even with the 25% nerf *grumble*).
Personally, I plan to get a heavy dictor as soon as the price stabilizes.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Think you have no clue how both of em work, so ill enlighten you:
Small dictor advantages (over heavy ones):
1. they are much faster
2. they lock much faster
3. they can gtfo from combat when they want due to speed (with few exceptions)
4. due to 1 and 3 they are also much more resistant (speed > tank, almost always)
5. their bubbles work even if they die
6. their bubbles can drag from warp
7. they can still perma tackle mothership as long as they have bubbles in cargo (where hvy dictors will die except for nano-broadsword)
8. they will still murder ceptors (unless ceptor is nanoed/snakes/gistii one)
9. they will be MUCH cheaper (10-20x)
1. Nah, they're not that much faster than the heavy dictors
2. They do lock faster, but that's not much of an advantage with an AOE tackle
3. Well, I'd argue that a nano-broadsword (for instance) will gtfo just as well as a sabre.
4. Well, but the heavy dictors have tank *AND* speed.
5. This is true...
6. I can't say whether heavy dictors do this, but I can say a medium warp bubble does... and works better too.
7. Eh, I'd say the Onyx and Broadsword are much more likely to perma-tackle a Mom/Titan than a regular dictor
8. Nah, I doubt we'll see many ceptors die to dictors post-patch
9. Yeah... this is a definite upside. I foresee the price dropping dramatically, even on the Sabre.
Liang
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2007.11.29 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
1. Nah, they're not that much faster than the heavy dictors
2. They do lock faster, but that's not much of an advantage with an AOE tackle
3. Well, I'd argue that a nano-broadsword (for instance) will gtfo just as well as a sabre.
4. Well, but the heavy dictors have tank *AND* speed.
5. This is true...
6. I can't say whether heavy dictors do this, but I can say a medium warp bubble does... and works better too.
7. Eh, I'd say the Onyx and Broadsword are much more likely to perma-tackle a Mom/Titan than a regular dictor
8. Nah, I doubt we'll see many ceptors die to dictors post-patch
9. Yeah... this is a definite upside. I foresee the price dropping dramatically, even on the Sabre.
Liang
1. 4km/s compared to 1km/s is quite a difference.
2. oh yes it is. AOE tackle is ONLY to keep enemy from insta warp. As soon as he ends in bub you switch to normal scrammers.
3. this is the "exception" im talking abt. Broadsword.
4. sorry but 1km/s is not speed. Speed is when oyu can burn back to gate under 3 huginns. You need abt 2,5-3km/s to do this.
6. medium warp buble needs time to be places. Dictor bubble is one click. And they do have massive advantages in dragging out of warp. Ask drone region carrier pilots how they like dictor bubbles. They make em die
7. onyx wont tank over 2000dps. So it will die. Only one that can try and perma tackle mom is broadsword, which is "exception"
8. good you think this way. It means most ceptor pilots think same = they underestimate dictor. Already after "curse nerfed !!!" outcry i got lots of ezy kills on stupid vagabonds that engage me.
9. thats also good. i like sabre
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.29 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Liang Nuren
1. Nah, they're not that much faster than the heavy dictors
2. They do lock faster, but that's not much of an advantage with an AOE tackle
3. Well, I'd argue that a nano-broadsword (for instance) will gtfo just as well as a sabre.
4. Well, but the heavy dictors have tank *AND* speed.
5. This is true...
6. I can't say whether heavy dictors do this, but I can say a medium warp bubble does... and works better too.
7. Eh, I'd say the Onyx and Broadsword are much more likely to perma-tackle a Mom/Titan than a regular dictor
8. Nah, I doubt we'll see many ceptors die to dictors post-patch
9. Yeah... this is a definite upside. I foresee the price dropping dramatically, even on the Sabre.
Liang
1. 4km/s compared to 1km/s is quite a difference.
2. oh yes it is. AOE tackle is ONLY to keep enemy from insta warp. As soon as he ends in bub you switch to normal scrammers.
3. this is the "exception" im talking abt. Broadsword.
4. sorry but 1km/s is not speed. Speed is when oyu can burn back to gate under 3 huginns. You need abt 2,5-3km/s to do this.
6. medium warp buble needs time to be places. Dictor bubble is one click. And they do have massive advantages in dragging out of warp. Ask drone region carrier pilots how they like dictor bubbles. They make em die
7. onyx wont tank over 2000dps. So it will die. Only one that can try and perma tackle mom is broadsword, which is "exception"
8. good you think this way. It means most ceptor pilots think same = they underestimate dictor. Already after "curse nerfed !!!" outcry i got lots of ezy kills on stupid vagabonds that engage me.
9. thats also good. i like sabre
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Posted - 2007.11.30 02:22:00 -
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in one hour i start training minnie cruiser to lvl5
my destroyer is still at lvl4....and minnie frig still at lvl4...ill wait until we see how the small dictor speed nerf plays out before investing more training time there.
everyone cries hax at the onyx....i think the broadsword is much more powerful...and it has much better base shield resists, is faster, has better firepower.....
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.11.30 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 29/11/2007 22:06:30
Originally by: me bored
It seems to me that heavy interdictors are superior to them in every way and will soon be making them redundant. Will light interdictors still have their own role? Will there be any reason to choose one over a heavy interdictor?
I'm extremely fond of my eris and her little flashlight and it breaks my heart to see her being replaced like this.
Think you have no clue how both of em work, so ill enlighten you:
Small dictor advantages (over heavy ones):
1. they are much faster
2. they lock much faster
3. they can gtfo from combat when they want due to speed (with few exceptions)
4. due to 1 and 3 they are also much more resistant (speed > tank, almost always)
5. their bubbles work even if they die
6. their bubbles can drag from warp
7. they can still perma tackle mothership as long as they have bubbles in cargo (where hvy dictors will die except for nano-broadsword)
8. they will still murder ceptors (unless ceptor is nanoed/snakes/gistii one)
9. they will be MUCH cheaper (10-20x)
By the way, the light dictors are getting a speed nerf..
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.11.30 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
By the way, the light dictors are getting a speed nerf..
We know.
1. Light interdictors dont get aggro from bubble
2. Light interdictors arent stuck in the bubble
3. Light interdictors can tackle multiple supercaps.. Yes this comes in handy
4. Light interdictors are still very fast, and remain fast even with the bubble down
Personally I think the HIC is gonna be a useless addition to the game besides killing lowsec moms. Apparently I dont see eye to eye with everyone though.
Broadsword is gonna be very good, but thats no surprise since Minmatar always have amazing T2 ships.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.11.30 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Naviset
2. Light interdictors arent stuck in the bubble
Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you haven't flown a dictor in ages. They can't initiate warp, then drop a bubble and still get away anymore.
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.11.30 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Naviset
2. Light interdictors arent stuck in the bubble
Either I'm misunderstanding you, or you haven't flown a dictor in ages. They can't initiate warp, then drop a bubble and still get away anymore.
No, but they can LEAVE the bubble. AKA it doesn't follow them around.
Because it doesnt initiate aggro, you can also dump a bubble and jump.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2007.11.30 03:26:00 -
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Ah, yes, my mistake.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.11.30 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
7. onyx wont tank over 2000dps. So it will die. Only one that can try and perma tackle mom is broadsword, which is "exception"
I tanked a sleipnir in my phobos for 5 minutes. I ran out of cap and then died. FYI the armor on my phobos was low (2.2k), but I had like 85%+ avg resists on the ship
I tanked 2 ishtars and a onyx in a broadsword for.. heck I lost the count. it was funny seeing T2 ogres hitting me for 30dmg in my 80% avg. I eventually died cuz I had like 13k shields, but the recharge rate was on the 700's.
truth is: these ships are tanky. I'm forseeing a freakin' large outcry when they release these things and we start to see them camping low-sec with their scripted infini-warp jammer.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.30 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
7. onyx wont tank over 2000dps. So it will die. Only one that can try and perma tackle mom is broadsword, which is "exception"
I tanked a sleipnir in my phobos for 5 minutes. I ran out of cap and then died. FYI the armor on my phobos was low (2.2k), but I had like 85%+ avg resists on the ship
I tanked 2 ishtars and a onyx in a broadsword for.. heck I lost the count. it was funny seeing T2 ogres hitting me for 30dmg in my 80% avg. I eventually died cuz I had like 13k shields, but the recharge rate was on the 700's.
Sleipnir doesnt run 2000dps. Its around 700 with good skills + hail in optimal. So pretty tankable.
2 ishtars (drones only) + onyx hit abt 900dps (maybe 1000) - still 1000 too short from mothership damage. Also broad in tank mode has one of hardest tanks to crasck (only onyx has better i suppose).
So pretty much: im still correct. Also im correct (some other thread) that good gank-bs should kill hvy dictor;.
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8 D
Amarr
Warmongers
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Posted - 2007.11.30 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: 8 D on 30/11/2007 08:13:57
funny that this post was made cause i was thinking exactly the opposite...
are heavy dictors gonna be worth anything xept for tackling motherships in lowsec?
looking at the stats and slot-layout on the heavy dictors they seem pretty useless
atm the sabre has around 220dps wich i doubt any of these heavy dictors can match
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.30 11:26:00 -
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25% speed nerf sucks :/ I tested it last night and I lost a race to a hac how broken is that?? a hac that can fly faster then a dictor.
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N1fty
Amarr
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.30 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sinder Ohm
25% speed nerf sucks :/ I tested it last night and I lost a race to a hac how broken is that?? a hac that can fly faster then a dictor.
pfft oh well broadsword here I come.
Dont race Vagabonds?
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Red Ajax
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Posted - 2007.11.30 11:54:00 -
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BEST advantage of Heavy Interdictors?!?!
NOT having to train Destroyers V.
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me bored
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Posted - 2007.11.30 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Red Ajax
BEST advantage of Heavy Interdictors?!?!
NOT having to train Destroyers V.
Hey t1 destroyer gangs are some of the most fun I've had in eve.  |
Dreadmuppet Four
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Posted - 2007.11.30 13:21:00 -
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the sabre will still be a solo pwnmobile, it was the only good dictor and still will be.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.11.30 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: 8 D
Edited by: 8 D on 30/11/2007 08:13:57
funny that this post was made cause i was thinking exactly the opposite...
are heavy dictors gonna be worth anything xept for tackling motherships in lowsec?
looking at the stats and slot-layout on the heavy dictors they seem pretty useless
atm the sabre has around 220dps wich i doubt any of these heavy dictors can match
phobos can dish the same damage as a drone-less thorax. same goes to the broadsword.
also you will see these things remote sensor time boosted in low-sec gates infini-scramming everything from shuttles to blockade runners.
and Deva, not saying that they can't tank that kind of damage. I'm saying that they can tank that kind of damage for enough time to call backup and pwn the **** out of whatever you are tackling.
considering that production costs of these ships are almost the same as HACs, I can see many people going for one of these instead, for example, a recon.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.30 13:32:00 -
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Well backup thing works both ways. If it gets annoying i can get one too :)
And tbh: gank geddon or gank mega will just rip em apart fast enough to bail out.
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari
United Society Starfleet
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Posted - 2007.11.30 14:08:00 -
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the sabre might be the only dictor worth using my 5700m/s set up of aux rigs and nano and rogues does 4200m/s i figure i would have to invest in polycarbas and a gisti to do what it did before .
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Astal Atlar
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2007.11.30 14:41:00 -
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I created a topic few days ago. Now i will post again.Usualy do not like to use the forums but the change in dictors is ridicilous.
1- we dictor pilots are suicidal and not selfish when you go on dictor you know you will be one of the first targets you know your ship cant kill almost anything and that you are in paper thing hull.But you fly it and miss the kills and ect because it helps at your gang.
2-There was only one dictor in his own race it was and is still is sabre,it got the speed it got the dmg it will be a little slower but still reasonably fast.So because of one ship the nerfed all of them the only change that was needed was only -20% of the sabre base speed and dictors were all in line.
3- Now after testing at singularity it is ridicolous my heretic without rigs ect with t2 fit goes for 3500,before change it went 4500.Flycatcher is even worse just arround 2000 k/s and little above. Sabre is still good 5700 with t2 fit.
4-Yes i know people will say rigs imp and gisti mvd but how many of the pilots use them not more than 1-2 % of all pilots in eve and it is not only because they are expensive but puting rigs and modules on a ship that can die in seconds and cost just arround 10 mil is funny.Yeah i can pimp my heretic invest 1bil at all or just 100mil for the rigs and due to lag or something like this i will lose it.The dictor which i fit this way will be use only in small roaming gangs where i can survive.
5- yeah people and ceptor pilots cried against dictors but dictors are t2 destroyers they are meant to be ceptor killers.Also before the change most of the ceptor were easily able to outrun most of the dictors.If ceptor pilot can't keep his ship it is his mistake not that dictors are so powerful.This is the beauty of eve you go fight people you can expect some course of the action but at the end everyting is decidec by your piloting skills. And the ability to fit your ship correctly.Yeah fit your ceptor with t1 fit and drop to my t2 dictor you will die.But this is eve.
6- people speak a lot for HIC but they forget something when his module is activated they can't be healed or supported people say 2000 dmg but ok you are at one place slow vulnerabale every gang that know its staff will blow you in seconds no tracking issues no speed tanking no tackling problems.If they not kill you will force you to deactivate you warp scrabmling sphere and receive logistic suport.So they will not be so powerfl and ect as people think.
7- dictors still have their advantage the ability to deploy bubles everywhere at wish in 0.0 is unique and they will be valuable to any fleet still but i doubt many people will take this 2 months traning for ship that die that easily.
Better they will train electronic attack ship or recons and will be with same value and with better survivability for their gang.Yeah people cry that electronic attack ships are broken but excuse me Kitsune with 3 rigs for range and ew strenght can perma jam 2 bs from 100km and above.With 3 it can jam carier with ease.
So thank you ccp for killing the dictors they were fun to fly now only sabre is left.
But hey i like my missiles and sabre is ugly ship.This is game all should be balanced.But leaving only 1 ship from a whole class worth flying is uselless.The problem is not the training everybody can train gunery for 1 month and get on sabre but is this the point.there is different people they like different thing. I love my heretic some one other love his eris or flycather now we have a choice leave dictors alone or go for sabre. It is not right
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