It would definitely help. Though I would still need to refit all the time to complete different sites. Larger cargo solves ammo problems.

Well that depends- would it be better than a covert ops T3 is already at PvE? I wrote some numbers down in above post. Because if it's not better, there would be no point. A T3 is supposed to be versatile, customizable to fit a player's needs, or at least CCP said so initially. When you have a ship dedicated to a role though, it should perform better.

I consider 400 DPS the low barrier which the DPS shouldn't fall below, because the 5/10 DED's, minor annexes and such will become a nightmare and not worth it otherwise. So if your proposal offers that with a covops cloak, I would consider it. No place for a salvager due to cloak and prober in the highs but no big deal.

However if you want to leave the covert cloak out, there is no point in using this over an Ishtar or Tengu, I would accept refitting teeth-gnarshingly in favor of great DPS and tank.

Generally, is it the PvP viability or the PvE performance that concerns you more? If it is PvP related, it really wouldnt place a threat at all if you want it to be cruiser sized and add weak electronics to that, as written above. As for PvE, 400 DPS at 30-40 km is hardly OP or even that impressing.

So I think a cruiser or BC sized covops 400 DPS ship that is able to fit most of the exploration modules with a decent tank and is mostly independent from docking sounds good for a price tag of 300-400 mil or such.

Annnnd this thread has officially degenerated into yelling and ad hominem attacks. I think it's time for either getting back on topic or /thread.

I'd rather see a nomad-base version of the Orca developed to support small nomadic groups in deep space. Orca so it's small enough to use gates (unlike carriers)

The drawbacks are that it has some less DPS and tank than a T3. You have to choose whether you want to complete a plex quicker with a T3 or bit slower and have to pay more attention but without the need to refit. Also, its damage type is more limited due to lasers.

Edit: Basically I want this thing here, just with 125 Mb bandwidth and more weapon range. I could even be willing to forget the covops cloak for the sake of it, mwd+ cloak trick should save one most of the time.

[Legion, exploration package]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Analyzer II
Codebreaker II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector


Hammerhead II x5


This kinda even works and has the all in one factor but it is still crap and not worth the money at all. Ishtar and Gila are solely drone based, sentries effective engagement range is limited and heavies are a pain in the ass.

Give this thing a larger bandwidth and double the gun range and I am satisfied