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CCP Guard
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:05:00 -
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Fans of EVE fiction should not let the new blog by CCP Abraxas slip by. Check it out here and give your feedback for Abraxas and friends right here in the comment thread!
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Yuki Crowfeet
EVE Information and Entertainment Service
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:36:00 -
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Success on first!
Good news for everyone involved (the blog, that is)
0.0 Investigation
I am flying around the depths of space interviewing pilots about their experiences.
In-game channel: EIES |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
209
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:42:00 -
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yay more blogs....love these things
thanks for letting us see what is new...love reading the new lore.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
Geaux Tiger
Tigris Cleptum Gaza
0
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Posted - 2012.02.01 16:52:00 -
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Since I'm returning to the game after a long absence, all the blogs the dev's are putting out amaze me. I especially love this one as I am a budding writer myself and dabble in EvE fan fiction. Having an easily organized wiki for the canon material and official fiction pieces kicks major butt!   |
Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:02:00 -
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I approve. MOAR WIKI AND MOAR LORE, kthxbai
I'm playing EVE and I'm Still Alive
Author, EVE Travel |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
558
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:05:00 -
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Nice  |
Wacktopia
Noir.
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:06:00 -
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Quite literally.... cool story, bro! \o/
Apparently we're getting censored now. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:08:00 -
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Quote: because employing the same term both for a particular type of story and for the entire bulk of all types of stories is a silly thing to do and leads to misunderstandings.
Can you explain this to the people that renamed ALL MISSILES of different types the same name...
For real though - great job.
No pictures makes me  but I understand the reasoning. You should allow for fan fiction submissions for chronicles, I'm sure some intrepid artists would be interested in being displayed on the EVE page for some kudos. I guess you have to deal with some kind of selection process, but I'm sure there's worse things to go through on a given Monday.
ON the note of categorizing the articles...
What is unwieldly about the Wiki Category system? This would auto-magically generate categories and sort them into various ones (Gallente Chronicles you have, but Add "Tech Articles", etc)
So all the Tech articles would have a Tech Article Category created instead of this :
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tech_articles
I've used wikis extensively including modifying them and implementing some pretty crazy features (semantic based searches). So, I'm just not understanding what's unwieldly.
New Category : Stories that mention Capsuleers.
Category : People in Chronicles - a list of "actors" in the various chronicles with links to the chronicle they appear in. Some have multiple appearances, etc. Might be a lot of work, and some thought on implementation.
Sub-categories for Cultural focus (Society could work, but with sub-cats for empires). This would be for digging into the nuances of social interaction in those Empires rather than the "big themes" of galactic stuff the empires do. It would be more for players who are hyperfocused on that empire (for RP or otherwise) and want to get into some nuances. Let's say (for example) you were to write a story on Amarr linguistics, you'd have a Amarr Culture sub-category that you would put that into and it would help people understand the culture, not just the Galaxy views.
I think a lot of this could be fleshed out going forward in almost a series of scientific clinical fashion discussing the particulars of a races day to day things, as though written by a Gallente studying Amarrian behaviors, for example. You can even create a regular set of fiction characters that do this - i.e. "Doctor Jukla Huffnhuff - Social Anthropologist for the University of Caille". You could extend this to other fields, and maybe even have different Doctors competing or arguing at each other within the frameworks of some of the scientific texts, telling a story, etc.
Quote:Despite Doctor Juklas claims, Amarr society is not based on the notion that God is a vindictive creature. Amarrian society, etc... ~~ Doctor Khil Hetar, School of Cultural Studies, Hedion University
You could apply this to a lot of new articles coming forward - focused more on clinical topics of discussion (which, don't have to be boring.) I know CCP moved away from this style a loooooooooooooooong time ago - and I think in the format of the Wiki some of those would actually have a good place if being created - and would feed some peoples hungers for juicy details, rather than the broad and sometimes ambiguous implications some of the narratives have.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
231
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:33:00 -
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Hi there! How do you navigate from Evelopedia Home to the EVE Chronicle Portal? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3042
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:42:00 -
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Ill miss the art, will the art department still donate pictures to the chronicles in whatever thier spare time allows for?
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3042
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:44:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Quote: because employing the same term both for a particular type of story and for the entire bulk of all types of stories is a silly thing to do and leads to misunderstandings. Can you explain this to the people that renamed ALL MISSILES of different types the same name... For real though - great job. No pictures makes me but I understand the reasoning. You should allow for fan fiction submissions for chronicles, I'm sure some intrepid artists would be interested in being displayed on the EVE page for some kudos. I guess you have to deal with some kind of selection process, but I'm sure there's worse things to go through on a given Monday. ON the note of categorizing the articles... What is unwieldly about the Wiki Category system? This would auto-magically generate categories and sort them into various ones (Gallente Chronicles you have, but Add "Tech Articles", etc) So all the Tech articles would have a Tech Article Category created instead of this : http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tech_articlesI've used wikis extensively including modifying them and implementing some pretty crazy features (semantic based searches). So, I'm just not understanding what's unwieldly. New Category : Stories that mention Capsuleers. Category : People in Chronicles - a list of "actors" in the various chronicles with links to the chronicle they appear in. Some have multiple appearances, etc. Might be a lot of work, and some thought on implementation. Sub-categories for Cultural focus (Society could work, but with sub-cats for empires). This would be for digging into the nuances of social interaction in those Empires rather than the "big themes" of galactic stuff the empires do. It would be more for players who are hyperfocused on that empire (for RP or otherwise) and want to get into some nuances. Let's say (for example) you were to write a story on Amarr linguistics, you'd have a Amarr Culture sub-category that you would put that into and it would help people understand the culture, not just the Galaxy views. I think a lot of this could be fleshed out going forward in almost a series of scientific clinical fashion discussing the particulars of a races day to day things, as though written by a Gallente studying Amarrian behaviors, for example. You can even create a regular set of fiction characters that do this - i.e. "Doctor Jukla Huffnhuff - Social Anthropologist for the University of Caille". You could extend this to other fields, and maybe even have different Doctors competing or arguing at each other within the frameworks of some of the scientific texts, telling a story, etc. Quote:Despite Doctor Juklas claims, Amarr society is not based on the notion that God is a vindictive creature. Amarrian society, etc... ~~ Doctor Khil Hetar, School of Cultural Studies, Hedion University You could apply this to a lot of new articles coming forward - focused more on clinical topics of discussion (which, don't have to be boring.) I know CCP moved away from this style a loooooooooooooooong time ago - and I think in the format of the Wiki some of those would actually have a good place if being created - and would feed some peoples hungers for juicy details, rather than the broad and sometimes ambiguous implications some of the narratives have.
Somone in the caldari state sued and won the court cases.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
558
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Posted - 2012.02.01 17:44:00 -
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Razin wrote:Hi there! How do you navigate from Evelopedia Home to the EVE Chronicle Portal?
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Portal:EVE_Chronicles
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/List_of_EVE_Chronicles
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:00:00 -
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More more more!!! \o/
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
231
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:11:00 -
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Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that.
The question was: how do you get from here to here. |
J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:29:00 -
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Quote:
There will not be any more chronicle artwork. I'm sad to see it go, but we have good reason to drop it. Art creation has always been a major bottleneck in chronicle production and a notable draw on the Art Department's resources. Moreover, art and thumbnails are not amenable to the kind of categorization we have in mind for the chronicles. It's easy to plonk down a thumbnail when all you've got is a 200-strong list of alike pieces; it gets progressively harder when you want to start reordering them in all sorts of ways.
I can't even begin to tell you how disappointing that decision is. The artwork was always equally as good (and as much of a draw) as the Chronicle's themselves. I think CCP should seriously reconsider on that point. Even if you reduce it, making it so not ALL of them have artwork, you should not eliminate it altogether. Please!
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)"
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Kopfy
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Posted - 2012.02.01 19:34:00 -
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The disappearance of story specific art and the original thumbnail navigation is sad, since i don't
remember the name of all the stories but rather remember them by their pictures. But i see why
and the promise of more short stories are lovely, even if it's only flash fiction.
The fact that the chronicle site is such a behemoth of fiction goodness somewhat compensates
and forgives the leaving of art specific navigation. I'll just have to learn the names of my favorites
and buy a tablet so i can read them anywhere in a comfortable manner.
About the categories. Quafe company should have Quafe related stories linked like Lost star.
Quite hard to find it if you don't remember the name of it.
Maybe even link the respective story in the wiki article of the party involved?
It'll probably be categorical hell deciding which story to go where but i'm certain this fine community
of well spoken and willingly people can lend a hand.
Or maybe the people hanging out in fiction actually are fine and well spoken...
but they still play this game... nvm. |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:03:00 -
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Yay!
EDIT, Now with content: You plan to steal my Lorebook content right? I collected it first!
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
13
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:03:00 -
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Double yay!
EDIT, and now from me: While collecting all these pieces of EVE lore has given me a rather strong insight in all the bits I am not too keen on signing up for your Mercury team. I am not a science fiction writer, I am a fictional science writer. And it hurts my scientist nerd organ whenever one of your volunteers forgets key pieces of EVE lore or, even worse in my opinion, make stuff up because of poor research and then THAT gets sanctioned as Prime Fiction. I know a writer often require a certain space of creative freedom to make good stories, but that is just not me.
Well, at least I can still theorize in the A'J Project. Btw. shake Dropbear and tell him that him that he has not made a noise in two months now and people are getting a bit confused on what to do with A'J in regard to the release of the Fictional Portal and Templar One.
CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies
Biography |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1004
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:08:00 -
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Read title...thought CCP finally realized what "The Mittani" is and left dissapointed...
Well. It is a good dev blog. This update is needed and very welcomed by me.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Riffix
Synergistic Arbitrage
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Posted - 2012.02.01 21:38:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:And somewhere, over the horizon, there is the fabled in-game connection, which I'll be quietly working on in between other content projects.
I'm not sure whether to be excited that you are seemingly taking time out of your other duties to make this happen or sad that this doesn't appear to be a bigger priority but I am gonna go with EXCITED!
On a related note, I find it inspiring that the lore of EVE can actually be separated into genres like horror, intrigue & spying, politics, action & combat, and cyberpunk. 
Keep up the good work.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
415
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:05:00 -
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Razin wrote:Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that. The question was: how do you get from here to here.
EDIT : EVE Fiction button on the Portals in the center.
Maybe not. There doesn't seem to be a portal to the Chronicles, I imagine it would be through the EVE Fiction Portal - but might not have been added yet?
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Kaito Haakkainen
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:26:00 -
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it goes on foreverGÇöandGÇöoh my GodGÇöit's full of stars.... |
JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:28:00 -
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I love what you are doing with the Eve lore.
Can I make one request? Please please please can you release all the stories as mobi/epub? I know most are available as PDF but when I convert them to read on my phones/kindle the formatting goes all wonky.
Sitting reading on my monitor is nowhere near showing these awesome stories the respect they deserve.
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Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:53:00 -
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An interesting read and good to know that Abraxas and the rest of the crew are working on stuff.
Sadly, though, a lot of things in that dev blog continue to reinforce my feelings that the new combined fiction "team" - inasmuch as 3 devs and a ton of volunteers can compare to some of the larger teams out there - is chronically (pun fully intended) overworked. Here's hoping CCP finds the cash to add some more persons to relieve some of that.
Note here - I'm not bashing the efforts of Mercury or ISD; rather, it's been made apparent to me on several occasions that the bottleneck in fiction production by the volunteers is having it checked by the official devs to make sure it doesn't invalidate existing EVE lore. The solution, to me at least, would seem to be to bring in more fact-checkers.
Finally, on the note of fact-checking - I'm sorry,Abraxas, but I have to ask - did NOBODY in the fiction department double-check to make sure that stuff in Templar One wasn't contradicting existing PF? There's more holes in that book than on a Minmatar hull. |
Mereden
Space Lizards
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Posted - 2012.02.01 23:17:00 -
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Two things. Firstly I think it's a real shame to drop the artwork for both thumbnails and stories - those pictures were one of the things that first enticed me into Eve, I love the style of them and think you should find a home for them elsewhere. How about a fiction gallery, with a paragraph of flavour text for each one, maybe links to chronicles with related themes?
Secondly - it's a minor annoyance but the link to 'other factions' such as Sisters of Eve and the Equilibrium of Mankind. Guess which pirate faction isn't featured anywhere on the page? Yup, EoM gets no mention whatsoever. Shame as I'm kind of curious about them and where they fit in and was hoping to find out more. |
Ramman K'arojic
Deep Black Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:12:00 -
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[quote=]Quote:
There will not be any more chronicle artwork. I'm sad to see it go, but we have good reason to drop it. Art creation has always been a major bottleneck in chronicle production and a notable draw on the Art Department's resources. Moreover, art and thumbnails are not amenable to the kind of categorization we have in mind for the chronicles. It's easy to plonk down a thumbnail when all you've got is a 200-strong list of alike pieces; it gets progressively harder when you want to start reordering them in all sorts of ways.
As a suggestion:
If artwork is the bottleneck - why not always have player based submissions for the Art component . EG After new content there is an open contest for 2 weeks for players to submit different pictures relevant to the story in question. Prizes for the content are: Credit for the artwork (eg Char name or RL name mentioned), and faction stuff (Say between 50-400M isk) . There is always room for 1-3 pictures per article. Then amend the story with the artwork.
Its a good way to get quality artwork on the cheap, & player involvement.
Cheers and Beers 
Ramm
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Ramman K'arojic
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:12:00 -
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Duplicate post sorrz |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:54:00 -
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Razin wrote:Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that. The question was: how do you get from here to here.
I also failed to find an easy path and hacked in a temporary link to the Chronicles portal into the main page (in the popular pages block). I am quite sure that CCP Abraxas has already a better solution in mind and will fix it later.
CCP Habakuk | EVE Quality Assurance
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:13:00 -
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Seems like a lot of responsibility is in the hands of just a few. This is great for protecting the IP, but sucks for developing the pages as a user. It relies on CCP & Mercury to sprinkle links throughout a page or in the reference section, which is more strain on just a few.
Also, it brings into question how the player-created lore will be managed. FX, Band-of-Brothers & Goonswarm are part of Eve's background and shaped the player world. Finding this history, is challenging on Evelopedia, not to mention other player information. But maybe that is not the purpose of Evelopedia, maybe it is not intended to be a community tool, but rather a tool for CCP to share game information with players.
Lai Dai Infinity Systems |
Grady Eltoren
Aviation Professionals for EVE
31
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Posted - 2012.02.02 03:09:00 -
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CCP Abraxas and all the imersion folks:
Great job on this dev blog. All sorts of good details and I am very eagerly awaiting the new collection and organization. That is filled with so much win it almost makes up for the lack of picture/artwork thumbnails. :)
What I would suggest for the pictures as others have suggested is FAN ARTWORK!!! Bolded, underlined, starred for all sorts of win.
A few reasons:
1) Yes the art department is a bottleneck and we don't want to distract them from the POS redux - hehe. : ) Which is fine.
2) But this will give the players a chance to do what CCP wants them to do most - GET INVOLVED. Players love to do this sort of stuff and be imortalized. All it would take is yourself and the Imersion/fiction team reviewing applications after the story is released and PICKING the best one. IF there were no good ones...leave the contest open until there is and post all over the website you are still looking or leave an open THREAD for people to check on. Just make sure the art is original and viola!
I akin it to Magic or something where they have all sorts of differnt artists making the cards but all the same topic/style.
3) Saves money probably doing it this way but adds untold value to the game. (A picture is worth a thousand words). If you want to reward players who submit art, just give them a PLEX.
4) The art helps players remember the stories too so don't rule out player submissions.
Anyways - I step down from my box, great article. Just try and come up with something in legal to work in fan made pictures for every story if possible.
CHEERS!
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
231
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Posted - 2012.02.02 04:12:00 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Razin wrote:Those are linked in the blog. Thanks for that. The question was: how do you get from here to here. I also failed to find an easy path and hacked in a temporary link to the Chronicles portal into the main page (in the popular pages block). I am quite sure that CCP Abraxas has already a better solution in mind and will fix it later.
Excellent!
What would also be cool is to be able to keep the 'tiles' display for the chronicles from the old site. I always thought that was a great way to display the wealth of EVE world information in the form of a 'book shelf' that allows coming back to the memories of the stories read years ago at a glance. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
512
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Posted - 2012.02.02 12:08:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:And somewhere, over the horizon, there is the fabled in-game connection, which I'll be quietly working on in between other content projects.
I hope this will be a fact one day. I am quite dissapointed that EVE has relegated its vast lore on its main website to "archive"
and dumped all the information in one dry wiki without any art support.
You may think that the stories themselves are enough but the art that accompanied the Chronicles was always of a very high kaliber, it brought something extra to the stories. Like the dam torsad chronicle and others. Art is a bottleneck, yeah perhaps, but its also one of the things that differentiate EVE from others.
The EVE website from what I have seen will look like most other MMO websites, flashy but without any real inspiration or depth.
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Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT
Numquam Ambulare Solus
38
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:09:00 -
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1) no Art ? Disappointed.
2) chronicles not in chronological (i.e. date of release) order ? Shame ! The Chronicles that lead up to the Apocrypha expansion were truly epic. To lose that sequence diminishes the product.
3) Bring Back Art ! As mentioned earlier, and expressed much better than I can voice, the art that accompanied the chronicles made them great. Unique. Unequaled. As others have suggested, even fan based (popularity voted maybe) images to accompany the stories would be better than just a wall of text. The images anchored the tale. In some cases, provided visuals that stood at odds with the story - but always reinforced the sense of the writing. I simply cannot fathom that when chronicles are months apart (it was so nice when they were every 2 weeks) that art is the bottleneck. I can appreciate the effort that goes into producing them, I just can't imagine that writing a chronicle is that much faster than producing the artwork.
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |
Mathis Athins
Paragon.
Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2012.02.03 06:37:00 -
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A search function specifically for the Fiction Portal would be nice, though I'd imagine not easy to do. |
YuuKnow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:57:00 -
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I really hate the fact that there will be no more artwork to match with the Eve Chronicle
It was one of the more distinct and immersive parts of the eve-lore... I especially remember my intrigue the first time I read/saw Xenocracy
How about allowing player donated art. If a player submits an artwork, then the Eve team can view it, decide whether it fits with the historical eve style and whether it matches well with a chronicle. If so its imputted into the chronicle (with a small text stating "artwork by:" and the player given a email stating that their artwork has been used and maybe a small reward such as Aura or gametime/plex.
If the artwork submitted isn't up to par with the normal eve artwork or eve style, then a generic "Thanks for the submission, however, despite your picture/art being great work, it currently doesn't fit with our current concepts in regards to Eve's style of visuals. Thanks!"
Also, there should be a link in the FanFiction Forum for players to see encouraging fan submissions. |
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CCP Abraxas
C C P
C C P Alliance
25
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:16:00 -
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I meant to answer all these quite a bit earlier, but then I also meant to have perfect health over the past week, and oh how the gods love good intentions. Anyway:
No art / Fan art: I know. I wish we could; I loved the art I had with my chrons. Dropping it wasn't an easy decision and it was argued against in-house for a while, but eventually we just had to accept the fact that art production - though no fault of the artists themselves - has a hugely detrimental effect on our production schedule for the chronicles. Yes, even now, when we're only doing a few per year. It was a hassle back when we were a fully staffed team, but now there are fewer of us and we have radically different responsibilities than before. Think of it this way: It's a choice between having three-four chrons for a single expansion, or having just one, or even none at all!
As for fan art: Nope, we can't. All CCP-sanctioned art goes through an approvals process, so we'd only be talking about taking the previous way of doing things and making it even harder and more unreliable.
But, look, remember - we're not hamstringing your own creative efforts. There is nothing stopping you guys from illustrating one another's chronicles. There is also, as you may derive from that earlier point, nothing stopping you guys from writing your own chronicles. They can be posted anywhere else on the web - just not in the one place that has CCP-sanctioned content.
Razin wrote:How do you navigate from Evelopedia Home to the EVE Chronicle Portal? We haven't yet updated all the links on the official homepage. We'll do it soon.
Bloodpetal wrote:What is unwieldly about the Wiki Category system? This would auto-magically generate categories and sort them Mostly that we don't want just to have full automatic generation. It'd love it if I could autogenerate a category, then dive in and muck about with it by hand - adding descriptions, moving things about, choosing a different ordering scheme, etc. Right now, for instance, the only possible category-based presentation of my Black Mountain series is a completely uncommented alpabetized one - which for obvious reasons is not the one I'd like to have.
We may do something in the future with templates and scripts or whatnot, depending on what I can reasonably ask the YARR team to do, but right now our dataset is small enough that rigid automatic generation doesn't have enough pros to justify its cons. The reason that our current listings (like the Tech Articles) look very much like content category listings is simply because we haven't yet had the time to flesh them out more.
JamDunc wrote:Can I make one request? Please please please can you release all the stories as mobi/epub? I did this a while back and meant to update the files, but it's really hard to find the time these days. I'll see what I can do, but in the meantime, if you google a little there are like three or four compendiums that the players themselves have compiled and posted. Latest one I spotted was here
Dex Nederland wrote:But maybe that is not the purpose of Evelopedia, maybe it is not intended to be a community tool, but rather a tool for CCP to share game information with players. Oh yes. I really can't stress this enough: The two portals I've set up, the Chronicle Portal and the Fiction Portal, are very much tools for CCP to share official info with you all. The rest of the entire EVElopedia is entirely your own. There really is nothing stopping players from writing alliance reports, writing fiction, posting their own artwork, etcetera. There also isn't anything stopping you from tying it all together in a player-created portal. But we have to keep a clear boundary between player-created and CCP-created lore, for reasons I explained in my last two dev blogs: if we don't, we lose the ability to do everything else we'd planned, like fleshing out the lore and keeping it consistent, establishing an in-game connection, publishing more stories, etc.
Ciar Meara wrote:I am quite dissapointed that EVE has relegated its vast lore on its main website to "archive" and dumped all the information in one dry wiki without any art support. Dude, dry? I nearly got us banned in Germany for writing some of this stuff. |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1798
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:30:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:I am quite dissapointed that EVE has relegated its vast lore on its main website to "archive" and dumped all the information in one dry wiki without any art support. Dude, dry? I nearly got us banned in Germany for writing some of this stuff.
Too bad ze german officials are sensitive and delicate flowers these days. Saying they almost banned you is like saying, that you've written a horror story so scary, that the elementary school christian girl scouts almost didn't allow it to be read to their members during a camping trip. |
Bloodpetal
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:What is unwieldly about the Wiki Category system? This would auto-magically generate categories and sort them Mostly that we don't want just to have full automatic generation. It'd love it if I could autogenerate a category, then dive in and muck about with it by hand - adding descriptions, moving things about, choosing a different ordering scheme, etc. Right now, for instance, the only possible category-based presentation of my Black Mountain series is a completely uncommented alpabetized one - which for obvious reasons is not the one I'd like to have. We may do something in the future with templates and scripts or whatnot, depending on what I can reasonably ask the YARR team to do, but right now our dataset is small enough that rigid automatic generation doesn't have enough pros to justify its cons. The reason that our current listings (like the Tech Articles) look very much like content category listings is simply because we haven't yet had the time to flesh them out more.
Well. for ordering you'd have to tell it when you categorize the article where you want it sorted. So, Black Mountain can be sorted under "B", for example.
[Category:Amarr Faction|Black Mountain]
Meaning it would categorize it as though the page title was "Black Mountain".
Mediawiki link
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories#Sort_key
Descriptions in the Category page I don't think are inherently supported.
Let me make a recommendation that might make your life easier in terms of managing descriptions though. IF you use transclusion and the noinclude/includeonly tags it might make it easier to manage things from one place rather than multiple places.
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion
You can build into the page the commentary you want to have, rather than have freestanding text on each page you want to index the article and needing to make any changes to multiple places should you want. So, each article would be composed of a section for a blurb on the chronicle, then the actual chronicle. You can tell the blurb to never appear on the page (so it wouldn't ruin your presentation) and then you can exclude the chronicle from being embedded into a page when you call on it as a template.
I'm going to use ^ for < because I'm not allowed to use "html tags" in the posts.
Using the ^noinclude^ and ^includeonly^ tags this can be done easily.
For example, currently you call on a link to the chronicle using this code :
*[[A_Beautiful_Face_(Part_2)_(Chronicle)|A Beautiful Face (Part 2)]]
Instead of doing that, you can use some ^includeonly^ tags in the article itself to encompass the "description" you'd like to see propagated and have that right into the actual page itself so you only have ONE source (if you want), so you can manage any notations with the page - rather than tracking where you've cited that chronicle. When you try and embed the article into another page, you get that small section only, and it can be modified from one place, letting you build more and more indexes with less concern about how many you have and if you need to sort them later.
*{{:A_Beautiful_Face_(Part_2)_(Chronicle)|A Beautiful Face (Part 2)}}
If you ever want to only link the article without a notation, just use the normal code to call a page with [[article_name]]
So, in the page you'd put the following,
Quote:
^includeonly^[[:A_Beautiful_Face_(Part_2)_(Chronicle)|A Beautiful Face (Part 2)]] - A story about changing your identity.^/includeonly^
^noinclude^
Chronicle about EVE stuff
more
^/noinclude^
So, whenever you call on that page, you will get that include section embedded and it will be manageable from one place. You lose the ability to embed the whole chronicle into another page.. but really, why would you want to do that?
This should be totally kosher and make it easier for you to propagate the page in different articles without giving you carpal tunnel syndrome and having to run around tracking each index every time. Now, there might be some concerns, but look it over and maybe try it and see what you think.
In general, I also recommend really looking into using templates when you're building massive things like this that are interlinked. They let you do many changes across multiple pages without a headache down the road.
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Bloodpetal
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:36:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:I am quite dissapointed that EVE has relegated its vast lore on its main website to "archive" and dumped all the information in one dry wiki without any art support. Dude, dry? I nearly got us banned in Germany for writing some of this stuff.
Well, I think he's saying that the wiki isn't very inspirational when it comes to the chronicles, and... despite my last post, I do somewhat agree that it FEELS kind of... dim. I actually had to go back to the old website before they change it to see what was so fun about the old system... and the picture thumbnails really make the presentation of chronicles fun and make it easy to pick out the KIND of story you want. But, we know that's being discontinued, so looking forward...
Sometimes you want something dark, and you go for a dreary thumbnail, etc. I think you're dangerously close to feeling like a "library" and not like an entertainment outlet. There's a big step between the two.
I'm trying to see what I can recommend to you for the wiki...
First, I think you need an image somewhere on top. Something to make it "Feel alive", rather where you state it somewhere below "The Chronicles are still being published, and as such this section is very much alive. Look for new stories alongside new EVE expansions. Note that as part of the new publication venue, there will not be any artwork for new creative content."
An image goes a long way to making something feel energized. Whether it's "EVE CHRONICLE PORTAL" as a image title with some awesome visuals, or just a thumbnail image on the side with some relevance. Something that bridges the gap from Spaceships to EVE People.
Second, i feel like some of the classification options should be higher and help identify the diversity when you immediately look at the page. This sensation of diversity lets you see beyond the 3-4 articles right away and simplifies the decision process for the first time visitor. Then, as you become accustomed, you'll want to go to the bottom and dig through all the various diverse categorizations of the chronicles.
For example from your own website::
http://www.eveonline.com/background/
When I look at that page... I see " Blah blah blah" - Ooh, cool stuff!
Hate to say it, that's what needs to happen for your average EVE player. That page immediately shows you your options in the myriad of EVE chronicles. If under your introduction you were to layout in a horizontal format a list of options such as this... it would probably work great.
Recommended adjustment to the Portal :
Quote:
These are stories not only of space combat, but of people living their lives under strange and often difficult circumstances. You'll find love and loss here, along with hatred and revenge, reversals of fortunes, and more than a little dark humor.
The Chronicles are still being published, and as such this section is very much alive. Look for new stories alongside new EVE expansions. Note that as part of the new publication venue, there will not be any artwork for new creative content.
INSERT horizontal menu with some images: Short Stories, Chronicles, Novellas, etc, etc., images might not make it feel like a library anymore.
Hope you feel me on that. Just trying to give you a hand here.
And, banned in Germany? Really? I need to hear that story.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2012.02.07 09:12:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Ciar Meara wrote:I am quite dissapointed that EVE has relegated its vast lore on its main website to "archive" and dumped all the information in one dry wiki without any art support. Dude, dry? I nearly got us banned in Germany for writing some of this stuff.
Interesting, although these days it doesn't take allot to offend Germans. What I meant by my comment is that to me it seems that the eve-fiction is relegated to a number two spot in favour of a flashy but superficial new website. Archive isn't the place for the primary lore of eve-online. Additionally I would like to ask if the DUST 514 chronicles will have art?
The lore itself is great and is getting fleshed out more and more with interesting (and perhaps for Germans shocking ) information but it is the art that gave if flavour, it always did. A wall of text can only interest somebody to a certain point. Especially on computer screens. Its just, you know, a shame.
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:37:00 -
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CCP Abraxas wrote:Dex Nederland wrote:But maybe that is not the purpose of Evelopedia, maybe it is not intended to be a community tool, but rather a tool for CCP to share game information with players. Oh yes. I really can't stress this enough: The two portals I've set up, the Chronicle Portal and the Fiction Portal, are very much tools for CCP to share official info with you all. The rest of the entire EVElopedia is entirely your own. There really is nothing stopping players from writing alliance reports, writing fiction, posting their own artwork, etcetera. There also isn't anything stopping you from tying it all together in a player-created portal. But we have to keep a clear boundary between player-created and CCP-created lore, for reasons I explained in my last two dev blogs: if we don't, we lose the ability to do everything else we'd planned, like fleshing out the lore and keeping it consistent, establishing an in-game connection, publishing more stories, etc.
If we build portals, how do we get links to some of those portals on the front page (perhaps randomly selected)?
It would be nice to have a user be able to pull the front page and explore from there just by navigating from page to page.
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:12:00 -
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Ciar Meara wrote:CCP Abraxas wrote:
[quote=Ciar Meara]I am quite dissapointed that EVE has relegated its vast lore on its main website to "archive" and dumped all the information in one dry wiki without any art support.
Dude, dry? I nearly got us banned in Germany for writing some of this stuff.
 ..... arrg.... let me guess.... drums:
1.) Gewalt, allgemein / violence
2.) Jugendschutz und/oder Altersbeschr+ñnkung (-º14 JuSchG) / protection of young people and/or rated
3.) Rauchen / smoking of charakters
4.) Urheberrecht und Ver+¦ffentlichungsrechte / copyright and publication rights
5.) Gewaltverherrlichung (-º 131 StGB) / glorification of violence
I wouldnt be surpirse if just some lawyer company send a letter out to get some bucks out of CCP. A letter with the company head/infos so long that it is printed on the back, with offices everywhere in the world (Frankfurt, London, etc...). A company which even if you show them that they are wrong, still sends you a letter with a bill. Lawyers...
plz enter here 1000 lawyer jokes which are all of course true.
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