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KtB Elite Storm Enterprises Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:26:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648711 Check this and see if you agree. I spoke to quite a few gallente pilots before posting this and it seemed like the general concensuss. KtB
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:31:00 - [2] is that the general consensus with gall pilots or all pilots?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:32:00 - [3] Cross-posting is bad, M'KAY ? Also, the fact it had the same drone DPS as a Dominix was no issue at all, was it ? Or that it was universally and indisputably regarded as the best (by far) battlecruiser around ? Translation : STFU about the Myrm already. If you don't like it, get Caldari/Amarr Cruiser L3 and try flying a Drake/Harbinger for a change. Then go crawling back to the "NERFED" Myrmidon. C\|S\|I\|N\|x.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:33:00 - [4] If I can fit cruise missiles on my drake I will sign. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:33:00 - [5] Crossposting is not allowed and clicking that non-link doesn't do anything. - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Insidi Us Amarr Suicidal Mercenaries Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:34:00 - [6] Bah, Akita beat me to the cross-posting remark, but you shouldn't give the illusion that you have so many people on your side by linking to your own posts. Whether you do or not, your method of getting the word out is poor. ------------- RIP Constructive Criticism
Jupiter Sun	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:37:00 - [7] get a body noob.
KtB Elite Storm Enterprises Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:41:00 - [8] Edited by: KtB on 02/12/2007 02:40:56 Okay there you go for you crosslinker people. The myrmidon only been able to use 3 heavy drones and gaining a mid slot seems a bit silly to myself and other i spoke to. First of all the myrmidon is a drone bonus boat, but has only 1 less turret than the brutix which is the hyrbid bonus boat. Secondly the myrmidon is primarily a gallente armour tanking ship, however its gaining a mid slot thats NOT really needed on the ship, putting it more towards an even more feasible shield tanking role. So why make the changes you have? Would it not be wise to leave the drone bandwith and mid slots as they are? If you want to nerf the myrm go ahead but dont do it this way. It'll be not much greater than the brutix's drone strength + you get 7 blasters with bonus' on the cheaper ship. How to nerf the myrm? Remove two high slots, maybe even 3 if you think its THAT overpowered. This leaves it with its intended bonus weapon but also lowers its dps setups. Also drones can be killed pretty easily, turrets cannot. So theres a natural anti myrmidon mechanism already in game via killing its drones because of its limited capacity for heavies. Please look into this again ccp. * Also on your remark about the drake etc? The drake can still match the dps of a myrm setup properly.. And been able to use as many drones as a bs, thats not true. The myrm only fits 5 heavies, once they are killed (which is **** easy), they have no more drones to spew out at you.
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2007.12.02 02:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Jupiter Sun get a body noob. WoWs that way --> Im a Gallente specialised pilot and whilst I don't like the drone nerfage I can admit it was neccesary, I will still be PvPing in my drone boats. I couldnt fly an Eos anyway so I cant coment on that one. _______________________________________________
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:19:00 - [10] a bc, even a drone bc, fielding heavies is just plain silly period.
Baron Rodrigo House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.12.02 03:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Baron Rodrigo on 02/12/2007 04:03:11 not being funny but if you think the myrm nerf is bad, your obviousely a noob gallente pilot. Like the others were saying, its the only bc with the dps of a bs and tbh a similar tank. I am not biast in my opinion because I am a gallente pilot also. And the fact its gaining a med slot is a HUGE bonus no matter which slot they add, which is nothing to complain about. To be honest the myrm gaining a med slot and effectively losing 2 active heavy drones ( which can be compensated for by having 2 heavy, 2 med and a light) is an excellent swap. It will be even more able to use the passive shield tank and make it even more versatile than it already is (In terms of the tackle and armor tank fit, or the passive shiled tank gang fit). Yes the myrms drone can be killed, but an experienced pilot would retract and deploy his drones accordingly, or in the case of fighting a caldari ship (lolz) he could just leave scram range with his mwd and live to fight another day. Nuff said. And the drake CANNOT match the myrm dps, your wearing blinkers if you think that.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:19:00 - [12] An extra mid to tackle or ECM with? zomg... I so want it on my Myrm I don't use heavy drones on it as is ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
BlackMoon Thrawn Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:22:00 - [13] Dude... Your body.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:23:00 - [14] The myrm gained a mid slot? Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Paulo Damarr The myrm gained a mid slot? Not on SISI it didn't. ...
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 04:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 02/12/2007 04:46:06 Originally by: Razin Originally by: Paulo Damarr The myrm gained a mid slot? Not on SISI it didn't. The guy above posted it gained one Originally by: KtB The myrmidon only been able to use 3 heavy drones and gaining a mid slot seems a bit silly to myself and other i spoke to. ???? Mid slot? so it has 6 mids 5 lows now? Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 02/12/2007 04:46:06 Originally by: Razin Originally by: Paulo Damarr The myrm gained a mid slot? Not on SISI it didn't. The guy above posted it gained one He's hallucinating. Just get on SISI and see for yourself. ...
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:17:00 - [18] One BC being able to field BS-class weaponry while all the others fit cruiser-class weaponry is overpowered. Spin it any way you like. Myrm nerf stands on its own merit.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:18:00 - [19] The important thing is that a gallente pilot is whining about a nerf that hasn't even happened yet. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
b0ing Caldari INTERGALACTIC PLANETARY - PLANETARY INTERGALACTIC Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.12.02 05:41:00 - [20] Originally by: KtB Also on your remark about the drake etc? The drake can still match the dps of a myrm setup properly.. Drake with 7x HAM II's with 4x BCS IIs, with 5x Hobgoblin IIs, loaded with Terror, using 1x Bay Loading rig and 1x Warhead C. rig, with all skills level 5 = max theoretical 546 DPS. Myrm with 5x Ogre, 6x Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs, 1x Hybrid Burst Acc, 1x Hybrid Collision Acc, all skills level 5 = max theoretical 973 DPS**. With 2x Ogre II, 2x Hammerhead II, and 1x Hobgoblin II (instead of 5x Ogre II's), Myrm will be doing 813 DPS max. And you still have room for a great tank or good Ewar. So, looks like you need to be nerfed even more. Myrm will still be highest dps BC after patch. So WTF is your problem? Quit whining.
Zavernus Hamarabi Caldari High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:01:00 - [21] Originally by: b0ing Originally by: KtB Also on your remark about the drake etc? The drake can still match the dps of a myrm setup properly.. Drake with 7x HAM II's with 4x BCS IIs, with 5x Hobgoblin IIs, loaded with Terror, using 1x Bay Loading rig and 1x Warhead C. rig, with all skills level 5 = max theoretical 546 DPS. Myrm with 5x Ogre, 6x Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs, 1x Hybrid Burst Acc, 1x Hybrid Collision Acc, all skills level 5 = max theoretical 973 DPS. With 2x Ogre II, 2x Hammerhead II, and 1x Hobgoblin II (instead of 5x Ogre II's), Myrm will be doing 813 DPS max. And you still have room for a great tank or good Ewar. So, looks like you need to be nerfed even more. Myrm will still be highest dps BC after patch. So WTF is your problem? Quit whining. Those absolutely rediculous 'theoretical' dps fittings are slightly more useful than a wet sack full of manure. Stop posting these **** eft based arguments, would you seriously want to fly much less have in your gang a myrm with a shoehorned neutron blaster fit? You tell me whats more useful, a drake with 546 dps and a fantastic tank, or a myrmidon which is practically dead before it undocks? Everyone commenting on this with a pure dps argument needs to hold off on the enter key and actually think about their scenario in game. I dont play eft, i play eve. I just fit a 685 dps vexor, should it be nerfed because a caracal only maxes at 200 or so dps? Originally by:** Payne Bringer ..flip teacup... wait for kettle to right teacup...gank kettle with the help of a hard hitting tr
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:11:00 - [22] The Drake can do a lot of damage with HAMs but the HAMs need a lot more power than heavy missiles and then you need a MWD to get into range and webs to keep the target in range, Fit like that the Drake looses its massive passive tank and still isn't ideal as a close range ship because its slow. The Myrm can still tank and deliver decent damage. Originally by: Tortun Nahme CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
b0ing Caldari INTERGALACTIC PLANETARY - PLANETARY INTERGALACTIC Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:30:00 - [23] Edited by: b0ing on 02/12/2007 06:34:44 Originally by: Zavernus Hamarabi Those absolutely rediculous 'theoretical' dps fittings are slightly more useful than a wet sack full of manure. Stop posting these ****** eft based arguments, would you seriously want to fly much less have in your gang a myrm with a shoehorned neutron blaster fit? You tell me whats more useful, a drake with 546 dps and a fantastic tank, or a myrmidon which is practically dead before it undocks? Everyone commenting on this with a pure dps argument needs to hold off on the enter key and actually think about their scenario in game. I dont play eft, i play eve. I just fit a 685 dps vexor, should it be nerfed because a caracal only maxes at 200 or so dps? You are right, EFT showing the Myrm doing 1.8x(!!)** damage is probably just eaten up by the actual mechanics of gameplay in "real" situations (sarcasm). Also please understand that I said that to counter the person who said you can fit a drake to do same damage as a myrm. BTW, if you fit a myrm like that, you still have some room for a decent tank or a weak tank and good Ewar/tackling gear. you can even take 2x neutron blasters off and 1x magstab off and still have more DPS and now have as many slots and much PG and CPU as you want to fit anything you might desire. EFT has it's uses. Using EFT to prove a point does not automatically make the point invalid. BTW, if you fit a vexor for that kind of DPS it really would suck on all other levels. And a caracal does almost 300 dps, not 200. Seriously, you have no leg to stand on.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.02 06:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T Cross-posting is bad, M'KAY ? Also, the fact it had the same drone DPS as a Dominix was no issue at all, was it ? Meh, the Ishtar had the same drone DPS as the Domi as well and none of the other HACs have the DPS of the primary weapon system of a battleship [of the same race]... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.02 07:23:00 - [25] Originally by: b0ing Originally by: KtB Also on your remark about the drake etc? The drake can still match the dps of a myrm setup properly.. Drake with 7x HAM II's with 4x BCS IIs, with 5x Hobgoblin IIs, loaded with Terror, using 1x Bay Loading rig and 1x Warhead C. rig, with all skills level 5 = max theoretical 546 DPS. Myrm with 5x Ogre, 6x Heavy Neutron Blaster IIs, 1x Hybrid Burst Acc, 1x Hybrid Collision Acc, all skills level 5 = max theoretical 973 DPS**. With 2x Ogre II, 2x Hammerhead II, and 1x Hobgoblin II (instead of 5x Ogre II's), Myrm will be doing 813 DPS max. And you still have room for a great tank or good Ewar. So, looks like you need to be nerfed even more. Myrm will still be highest dps BC after patch. So WTF is your problem? Quit whining. Everyone saying that drake could tank should try fitting 7x HAM II and 4 BCS III, no recharge rigs... would leave you with high dps and a useless tank not even able to take sentry fire in lowsec. Same goes for the myrm with 6x Neut II's fit. I know that both those setups are theoretical max dps setups... But I've got a Thorax that does 500 dps without maxed skills... enough EFT Myrm isn't being changed all that badly... and if you want 5 Ogres why not just train a little for an Ishtar? I was training for a nano-phoon when I was a newbie because it sounded like fun, got nerfed the week before I got into my first Typhoon... but I didn't come on here and argue a moot point because I figured that if it was viewed as overpowered by so many people... maybe the change was worth it. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
b0ing Caldari INTERGALACTIC PLANETARY - PLANETARY INTERGALACTIC Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.12.02 07:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Akita T Cross-posting is bad, M'KAY ? Also, the fact it had the same drone DPS as a Dominix was no issue at all, was it ? Meh, the Ishtar had the same drone DPS as the Domi as well and none of the other HACs have the DPS of the primary weapon system of a battleship [of the same race]... Has the same drone DPS but not anywhere close the same blaster DPS. It is in-line with others TBH.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.12.02 07:30:00 - [27] Originally by: KtB Secondly the myrmidon is primarily a gallente armour tanking ship, however its gaining a mid slot thats NOT really needed on the ship, putting it more towards an even more feasible shield tanking role. Originally by: Paulo Damarr The myrm gained a mid slot? Thats why I lol'd earlier (Read the thread!!!)... found it amusing that if it does lose a high for another mid... oh the setups I could do. But as for what everyone else was saying about that change not being on Sisi... I can't look! At work ftl, so I wouldn't honestly know if he's right about that... or if it was mentioned in another forum, since I live in C&P Ahh... whatever ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2007.12.02 07:35:00 - [28] imo i think it's ok to nerf the myrmidon, and yes before you say "oh he's probably not gallente or w/e" I have a myrmidon, i love it, and i'll still use it even after the nerf, but i think the nerf is probably necessary in all honesty. and so are the other nerfs. eventhough some of these nerfs in this patch might hit you where you live. then you'll see that it's necessary for overall pew pew fun and variation, and yeah, mb a certain win button goes away, but mb that's for the best eh? and that aside, as other so assiduously have mentioned, the nerf isn't all that bad. the myrmidon is still a highly useful bc after the patch. take the eos for example, the eos is loosing no less than 2 hi slots, and a mid slot, and gaining a low slot. + it can only launch 3 heavy drones at a time. now you might scream oh noes save the eos. there's nothing needing saving, the eos is still strong, it can armor tank better, and since it was infamously known for outperforming even the astarte (which was supposed to be better dps wise) then the nerf was necessary. in return the eos has gotten a larger dronebay so that it can field more varieties of drones, but have fewer in space. and so it's all good. and i understand you love your myrmie, heck, i love my myrmie too, but sometimes it's just time to give it a little nerfbat for the overall good of the game m8. walk tall and have fun ;)

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