That he should have knowledge of such things occurring in his space?

You made some fairly specific accusations for which you have not yet apologised. They were outlined in a 1-10 format, so you can simply provide the evidence to back up your accusation or retract and apologise.

There is nothing in your new thread to deal with the specific accusation you made, except for shifting blame to all players and to CCP.

Be a real man. Apologise when you know you are wrong instead of digging deeper.

All regions have an equal stake in such things, none can pretend to be exempt. Not even empire.

Jove region is exempt.

Jove region is exempt.

Well Mrs Pendantic, if EvE where ever to go under due to RMT and botting then technically the closing of the servers would remove Jove space altogether.

It was a joke/mild troll.


We all know botting and RMT exist, many of us hate it.

The OPs post was rather pointless. It just restated what almost everyone on the forum already knew.

Did you just say there was no proof in this thread Tippa?

It was a joke/mild troll.


We all know botting and RMT exist, many of us hate it.

The OPs post was rather pointless. It just restated what almost everyone on the forum already knew.

I don't desire to do so.
This is about RMT, Bots and their prevalence. Simple really.

I believe this to be an assumption. Not everyone has a clear understanding of what it is and how it works. Why should they? God knows whenever it is brought up, it gets shot back down by the same dozen forum trolls, two of which were named in my OP.

Of the specific claims I made in the other thread(Detailed here)? No, there is no evidence to prove that.

Of the specific claims you made in the other thread(Detailed here)? No, there is no evidence to prove that.

Fixed. You'd think that, for someone who was so keen on accusing other people of manipulating text, you would do it a whole lot less yourself. You made the claims, not me.

Still, nice of you to finally admit that your claims were unfounded. Hypocrite.

Fixed. You'd think that, for someone who was so keen on accusing other people of manipulating text, you would do it a whole lot less yourself. You made the claims, not me.

Still, nice of you to finally admit that your claims were unfounded. Hypocrite.

You don't take being called out very well do you?

Um Tippia, I think you made an error.

Not when the GÇ£call outGÇ¥ is a baseless accusation without any proof backing it up, no.

Hypocrite.

Since you want to keep playing this game... which part? It's big and this thread is fairly broad spanning.

1) I personally have or should have specific knowledge of Botting in RED.L Space
No not personally.

2) I personally have or should have specific knowledge of RMT in RED.L Space
Nope. But one would think that you would.

3) I personally have or should have specific knowledge that RED.L tolerates botting/RMT
Nope. But one would think that you would.

4) Botting Occurs in the Drone Region Federation
No region is exempt. If your saying that it is, the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

5) The Drone Region Federation has a policy of tolerating Botting
Not officially ofc not, why would they admit such a thing only to receive CCPGÇÖs ban hammer?

6) RMT Occurs in the Drone Region Federation
No region is exempt. If your saying that it is, the burden of proof is on you to prove it.


7) The Drone Region Federation has a policy of tolerating RMT
Not officially ofc not, why would they admit such a thing only to receive CCPGÇÖs ban hammer?


8) All of 4-7 are more true of the Drone Region Federation than of ANY OTHER PLACE in EVE
Once it was true, but things have changed. Now all regions are made equal, my prior statement was outdated do to me being both tired at the time, and old school.

9) Any or all of 4-7 are true of the Drone Region Federation to a concentrated enough extent that they can be accurately called "Bot/RMT Central"
This was commonly accepted yes. But atm I believe it to be inaccurate, do to how things have changed over the past couple of years.


10) RED.L is a part of the Drone Region Federation
As far as I know you are a RA pet. So define it how you want.



Ok I guess this is what your looking for?

So close, and yet so far.

You still must provide evidence for those claims that you want us to refute (namely 4-7), you still call me either unobservant or stupid, and you haven't apologized for the baseless personal attacks that 1-3 represent.

As to 8 and 9, Common Acceptance is not evidence, it is a commission of the fallacy Argumentum ad Populum (many believe, therefore it is true).

Finally, on 10, while RED.L is the english speaking wing of RA, RA is not part of the DRF. It is a part of the Eastern Russian Federation. It would in fact be ineligible for inclusion in the DRF since it primarily operates in Angel Space. But congrats for (kind of) making an argument there.

i read every single bit of this.



Important. One way to get around it is to get in bed with the RMTers. and creat an alternate auction for real money. you have plex so you know the approximate value. People could cash out if other players what to buy there isk for real money. CCP can take a cut and be happy

I truely believe you are on to something here. What makes the RMT market work is buyers - not RMTers - if you can figure out a way for us to undercut the sellers i'm in. I am also totally onboard for giving CCP a cut.

I truely believe you are on to something here. What makes the RMT market work is buyers - not RMTers - if you can figure out a way for us to undercut the sellers i'm in. I am also totally onboard for giving CCP a cut.

I truely believe you are on to something here. What makes the RMT market work is buyers - not RMTers - if you can figure out a way for us to undercut the sellers i'm in. I am also totally onboard for giving CCP a cut.

I truely believe you are on to something here. What makes the RMT market work is buyers - not RMTers - if you can figure out a way for us to undercut the sellers i'm in. I am also totally onboard for giving CCP a cut.