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Velios
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.03 11:24:00 -
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I'm going to start a Titan BPO investment scheme soon, and will be looking sor investors that can expect a sizable return on their investment over time. More details soon.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.03 11:59:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Velios
I'm going to start a Titan BPO investment scheme soon, and will be looking sor investors that can expect a sizable return on their investment over time. More details soon.
M.Corp has a history of this type of thing. I would trust you more readily with it. BTW, I may have some business for you. I'll drop you a mail about it later and see if you're interested.
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Bregolas
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
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I definately think it has huge potential, I have considered doing this very same thing recently. I know of several people who are looking to build a titan but don't want to buy a bpo for 50bn+. Having bpcs available more cheaply will definately make a profit, however it may take some time to realise that profit. I would estimate that 10-15bn is the top price for a titan bpc, unless it was high ME (ie not ME0-1 :P) so that will put a limit on the time taken to pay back the initial investment, however if shin ra is planning on buying back all the shares you do not have to pay the investment in full via dividends.
As far as risks go, it is pretty easy to avoid getting suicide ganked with a bpo, and a high sec pos belonging to a 1-man alt corp is also very safe (the bpo will always reside in a station, never in the pos). Moving the bpcs around has the same low risk as the original bpo, if done correctly (from my dealings with shin ra I know him to be pretty sensible in this regard, especially as he no doubt has experience in ganking people :P). Also, I'm sure he can cope with refueling the POS once a month. As I stated above, I doubt you will get 20bn for a bpc so I would say the risk of lower than expected returns is quite high, but not too low that this is a big risk. The risk of demand going away is low imo, there will always be demand for titans, even if they are just for people to show off how much isk they have. A nerf may cause the price (and hence returns) to drop, but I don't think demand will ever go completely.
There is only one risk that is too high for my liking:
This is the issue of shin ra's reputation. He admits himself that he is a scammer, and has been known to scam people. He claims these people vouch for him, but I would like to see them actually do so, rather than him just saying so (I dunno if this is available on scrap heap). A post from each of these people in the share sale thread would be beneficial. However, this is only my view.
Good luck to you shin ra, and good luck to all those who invest.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bregolas
I definately think it has huge potential
Why do you think that? You said yourself 10-15 is the tops BPC's would sell for. That makes the returns pretty darn pitiful for such an incredibly risky venture.
This MAXES at 10% returns... and that's if you manage to get people paying 25 bil or whatever. A max of 10% returns a realistic return of 4-6%. For that kind of return this would have to be one of the safest investments in EVE. The fact that a scammer is running this and the returns are so low should mean that only fools wishing to be parted with their money would be investing.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:24:00 -
[35]
Wow. I should have taken that Avatar BPC I was offered for 5bil .....
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:01:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Shadarle
This MAXES at 10% returns... and that's if you manage to get people paying 25 bil or whatever. A max of 10% returns a realistic return of 4-6%.
If I were in the position of a buyer, I would be purchasing an actual Titan BPO as opposed to a BPC at 25B, purely because that 25B could then be partly salvaged should the titan pop or I want to make another. If I could resell the 50B print at 45B, I only lost 5B as opposed to the 25 spent on the BPC, you follow?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Shadarle
This MAXES at 10% returns... and that's if you manage to get people paying 25 bil or whatever. A max of 10% returns a realistic return of 4-6%.
If I were in the position of a buyer, I would be purchasing an actual Titan BPO as opposed to a BPC at 25B, purely because that 25B could then be partly salvaged should the titan pop or I want to make another. If I could resell the 50B print at 45B, I only lost 5B as opposed to the 25 spent on the BPC, you follow?
Of course I follow... not sure why you are quoting me there though. I agree that this is an absurd IPO.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:12:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Shadarle
not sure why you are quoting me there though.
because you are an anchor of reason?
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:34:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Shadarle
not sure why you are quoting me there though.
because you are an anchor of reason?
and one whom should be worshipped
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:40:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Shadarle
This MAXES at 10% returns... and that's if you manage to get people paying 25 bil or whatever. A max of 10% returns a realistic return of 4-6%.
If I were in the position of a buyer, I would be purchasing an actual Titan BPO as opposed to a BPC at 25B, purely because that 25B could then be partly salvaged should the titan pop or I want to make another. If I could resell the 50B print at 45B, I only lost 5B as opposed to the 25 spent on the BPC, you follow?
Of course I follow... not sure why you are quoting me there though. I agree that this is an absurd IPO.
Sorry, reread that. I was aiming it at the person that is running this IPO..... who I have just realised isn't in this thread, your quote was meant to be there as supporting evidence, sorry about that.
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Jon Asus
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:15:00 -
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*cough*
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=11125&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
*cough*
Easy way to pay of a student loan.
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Shin Ra
Origin Unknown.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:27:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jon Asus
*cough*
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=11125&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
*cough*
Easy way to pay of a student loan.
Indeed
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:29:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Jon Asus
*cough*
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=11125&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
*cough*
Easy way to pay of a student loan.
Indeed
Shin Ra - will an independant third party be securing this investment? Ie Chibbra has an alt as CEO to lockdown the BPO and you can copy/sell and if something unfortunate happens, he can unlock sell and liquidate the investment?
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