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Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.02 17:52:00 - [1] Hello there, I was thinking of investing some skillpoints in making a sniper for wasting low sec macro industrials. I was thinking either amarr or minmatar for the job. What would be enough of an investment to get the job done, what should I train to be an efficient sniper and not much else? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:00:00 - [2] Snipers are being nerfed in Trinity. I already have trained for it , it's a heavy SP investment - I'll tell you if it's viable after the patch. In theory , it's possible to shoot and sentry tank at zero cost with a gang of amarr ships. But they would be even more vulnerable to random hostiles , than a normal gang of random cap injected ships. Snipers are vulnerable to farmer protectors also. I got them to fight me and had a gang backing me up , but still lost my sniper mega as it had no tank.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 02/12/2007 18:04:35 This is going to be a lone gunman thing ideally when I need to vent. Is it even going to be possible to farm the farmers with as low a skillpoint investment as they've put in, or around there? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 02/12/2007 18:04:35 This is going to be a lone gunman thing ideally when I need to vent. And when you need to vent anyone flying a miner or industrial in low sec is automatically a farmer I assume. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.02 18:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 02/12/2007 18:04:35 This is going to be a lone gunman thing ideally when I need to vent. And when you need to vent anyone flying a miner or industrial in low sec is automatically a farmer I assume. I know a farmer when I see one trust me, this ship will blast low sec autopilot industrials with qwerty names so pack up the soapbox and field some suggestions. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:00:00 - [6] I would get a blaster Brutix, put in a cargo scanner and look for macro items (especially courier missions), web, scram, blast them.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.02 19:18:00 - [7] Ideally this would be long range to be able to get away from the wrong kind coming through the gate as focus would be on damage and range solely to pop industrials, nothing more. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 21:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Wendat Huron Edited by: Wendat Huron on 02/12/2007 18:04:35 This is going to be a lone gunman thing ideally when I need to vent. And when you need to vent anyone flying a miner or industrial in low sec is automatically a farmer I assume. You should try lowsec, so get out of Motsu yourself and actually try it out before making more fail * * Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! Phear this sig! - Cortes Your sigs are cool! I wont touch them anymore! - Cortes
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:48:00 - [9] Originally by: arbalesttom You should try lowsec, so get out of Motsu yourself and actually try it out before making more fail Never been to Motsu. Never had anyone who fits the accepted macro/farmer signs not respond to a friendly hello instead of starting of with "hey, are you a macro miner/farmer?" I know a couple of miners and all have been accused of macroing/farming at one point. EVE is a very low profile MMO. They're in it for the money. Much more potential customers in say, WoW, Vanguard, DAoC, EQ/EQII. Running into an actual macrominer/farmer in the majority of EVE's systems is probably as rare as running into state issue ships. Originally by: Wendat Huron I know a farmer when I see one trust me, this ship will blast low sec autopilot industrials with qwerty names so pack up the soapbox and field some suggestions. Please share your, apparently, infallible spotting technique with CCP so they can ban them. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.02 23:55:00 - [10] Edited by: arbalesttom on 02/12/2007 23:55:21 Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: arbalesttom You should try lowsec, so get out of Motsu yourself and actually try it out before making more fail Never been to Motsu. Never had anyone who fits the accepted macro/farmer signs not respond to a friendly hello instead of starting of with "hey, are you a macro miner/farmer?" I know a couple of miners and all have been accused of macroing/farming at one point. EVE is a very low profile MMO. They're in it for the money. Much more potential customers in say, WoW, Vanguard, DAoC, EQ/EQII. Running into an actual macrominer/farmer in the majority of EVE's systems is probably as rare as running into state issue ships. Here, you gonna need it... * * Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! Phear this sig! - Cortes Your sigs are cool! I wont touch them anymore! - Cortes

Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: arbalesttom You should try lowsec, so get out of Motsu yourself and actually try it out before making more fail Never been to Motsu. Never had anyone who fits the accepted macro/farmer signs not respond to a friendly hello instead of starting of with "hey, are you a macro miner/farmer?" I know a couple of miners and all have been accused of macroing/farming at one point. EVE is a very low profile MMO. They're in it for the money. Much more potential customers in say, WoW, Vanguard, DAoC, EQ/EQII. Running into an actual macrominer/farmer in the majority of EVE's systems is probably as rare as running into state issue ships. Originally by: Wendat Huron I know a farmer when I see one trust me, this ship will blast low sec autopilot industrials with qwerty names so pack up the soapbox and field some suggestions. Please share your, apparently, infallible spotting technique with CCP so they can ban them. Go to ingunn. Tell me I'm wrong. 100+ local with names like geography law in corps like "a corp". Basically, you don't know **. Try coming to metropolis. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it**.ö
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2007.12.03 00:16:00 - [12] 2 systems out of roughly 6000... Point still stands. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.03 03:20:00 - [13] Don't feed trolls. It just makes them hang around. Most pirates blow things up indiscriminately. These people want to select specific targets to blow up. The reason for their target selection is irrelevant. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Requiescat Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.12.03 04:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Wendat Huron Hello there, I was thinking of investing some skillpoints in making a sniper for wasting low sec macro industrials. I was thinking either amarr or minmatar for the job. Prior to Revelations, the Tempest was arguably the best sniper boat, because it had extreme range and alpha at the same time. Since the t2 ammo nerf and the introduction of tier 3 battleships, I'd go with Caldari/Rokh. It's a lot less skill intensive to get one to hit out to 150k. Sniping in Amarr is very skill intensive, as Tachyon Beams take a ridiculously high amount of grid (3,750), and you can't fit a full rack of them on any ship without multiple RCUs. Sniping in Minnie is probably still fairly easy, I'd estimate with a decent time investment (3-4 months) you could be flying a T2 fitted Maelstrom/Tempest and wasting haulers all day in Ingunn. But the optimal bonus on the Rokh lets you snipe with much crappier gear and skills :) <-- Sig starts here. Victory - Honor = Loss My face + your chest = pain
Gin Moon	Posted - 2007.12.03 04:17:00 - [15] Rokh for sure, is and will be the king of snipers. The Tempest can deal a good alpha, but is more skill intensive to get out to range. T2 guns make it a lot easier, and of course hit a bit harder, but there are set ups that you can hit 150k + with T1 and mediocre skill points. And if you hang out in a system long enough, you can tell which people are using a macro... I honestly don't know many people who are able to stay online manually piloting 1 or more ships 23/7 (literally) Only thing you can do is capitolize on the situation and lower your sec status. -Gin Moon EVE UFC brought to you in part by www.the-bastards.com (now accepting applications from pilots who actually have fathers)
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.03 09:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Washell Olivaw 2 systems out of roughly 6000... Point still stands. You must be quite blind, I moved through 10 systems just now and spotted obvious macros in every single one of them, that or you're a handler yourself. How many skillpoints and what skills in perticular for the Tempest or the Rokh? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.03 14:50:00 - [17] Anyone with a suggestion for what skills are needed for a skeleton battleship with only one purpose? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.07 14:52:00 - [18] How about it, is something like this doable with fairly few skillpoints post Trinity? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
VolcanicButtmonkey	Posted - 2007.12.07 15:31:00 - [19] This may not be the specific advice your looking for, but im gonna try and give it a shot Firstly dont snipe... not unless you have an alt in dictor/tackler that can tackle for you. Currently no sub-capital in EVE has a large enough alpha to prevent something that warps to 0 from jumping or escaping. ESPECIALLY if these ships are larger than frigates.Even then your lock time wil be sufficiently low to allow them to escape. If you dont have an alt do what the other guy suggested and go for a short range gank setup with enough mobility to disengage when things go south. e.g. Brutix, MegaT, Hurricane The advantage offered other than cost are in Skillpoint investment. T2 fitted sniper BS's arent cheap (their main effectiveness is limited to decently large fleets) and require t2 large guns. BC/ cruiser sized t2 guns are in comparison a lot easier to attain. Hope this helps
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.12.07 22:48:00 - [20] Originally by: VolcanicButtmonkey This may not be the specific advice your looking for, but im gonna try and give it a shot Firstly dont snipe... not unless you have an alt in dictor/tackler that can tackle for you. Currently no sub-capital in EVE has a large enough alpha to prevent something that warps to 0 from jumping or escaping. ESPECIALLY if these ships are larger than frigates.Even then your lock time wil be sufficiently low to allow them to escape. If you dont have an alt do what the other guy suggested and go for a short range gank setup with enough mobility to disengage when things go south. e.g. Brutix, MegaT, Hurricane The advantage offered other than cost are in Skillpoint investment. T2 fitted sniper BS's arent cheap (their main effectiveness is limited to decently large fleets) and require t2 large guns. BC/ cruiser sized t2 guns are in comparison a lot easier to attain. Hope this helps It's for AFK macro industrials, I think I'll have time to lock. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!



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