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Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:45:00 - [1] Do you occasionally want to go looking for some PvP in lowsec, but don't do it because the sentry guns force you to use a big, expensive HAC, battlecruiser or battleship to survive them shooting at you? Or Are you a pirate that camps gates in a BS/BC when you'd rather being using something smaller, or a beginner pirate in a frigate and forced to look for noobs in the belts because the sentry guns would fry you? Whichever question is more relevant to you, give me a yes or no please. I'm going to make a post about changing the sentry guns in the "Ideas" forum soon. Before I do, I want to see how many other people are frustrated by the lowsec sentry guns as they are right now. As for me, my answer is "yes". -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:52:00 - [2] I don't think that will happen, anyone 5 day old alt-character could fit 2 7.5km scrams and start killing haulers. I think perhaps instead of removing them completely they just need to be altered to make fighting in small ships at gates in low-sec safer. One such possible change is to re-implement tracking on the sentry guns, and buff their DPS. I run a low-sec transport company and I would be fine with that change. - ADVL (LootTrack\|WTS\|KB\|WTH)
Grapez Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:54:00 - [3] Yes. However, I think the sentries should stay the same. After all, I was once a noob once too, and needed them to help me stay in one piece.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.12.04 05:56:00 - [4] We already have big regions free of sentry guns, they're called 0.0. ----- My in Eve Profile
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Kessiaan We already have big regions free of sentry guns, they're called 0.0. How about if you don't want to deal with politics... Or blobs... Or POS yawnathon warfare.. Or Capitals-Online (at least some of it) Or 3 hour long ops that don't do anything.. Yeah. -----sig-starts-here------ Ok I need a new sig so...
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Kessiaan We already have big regions free of sentry guns, they're called 0.0. The poll is for people who, for whatever their reason is, don't live in 0.0 and don't want to deal with bubbles, nanogangs and alliance blobs that form up if you become too annoying. The idea I have isn't to just remove sentry guns, it's to replace them with something friendlier to small ships, but still makes it difficult to sit there camping all day. You'll see when I post it. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Celeritas 5k Caldari Initrode The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:13:00 - [7] /me raises hand Sentry guns are as much of a problem for the people fighting pirates as it is for the pirates! And it sucks that you can't pvp in lowsec in anything smaller than a BC - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:15:00 - [8] Personally im not a big fan of sentries since they offer little protection and just make life annoying for the hunter. That being said i think you need somthing in low sec to make it more noob friendly so people dont just go from everything to nothing. As such i suggest that sentry damage is looked at so they do far less damage to smaler ships so that you can actually do it in a frigate/cruiser as long as your setup to tank but then still full damage to the larger ships like BS etc. This way the sentries work as always for helping the victim but not protecting him since if the damage to frigs works out % wise the same as damage to a BS then it will put the victim in a position where he has a major advantage. I dont think this will result in masses of low sec frig hauler ganking since you cant drop bubbles so stabs will still be fine. The only risk will be to heavy interdictors who have a infinate scram but those can already tank sentries anyway provided they are setup right.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:22:00 - [9] Sentry guns aren't a problem for me. Drop in sec status is what at times prevents me from low sec piracy. I don't like ratting or running missions for hours to get it back up. Sometimes your character is in a corp that goes to war frequently and being unable to enter certain high sec systems just plainly sucks. If you want to sell a character with sec status lower than -2.0 it lowers it's value as less people want it. If you become an outlaw sentries never take your side. As far as I talked to other pirates in game it is the same issue for a lot of them - rarely anyone complains about sentries but a lot of people complain about their low or lowering security status. I frankly think the sec status penalty should be removed as it discourages people from pvping in areas that were made in game for pvp. guide to game time codes
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:28:00 - [10] The thing with sentries now is that they encourage larger groups of larger ships. Somehow they need to encourage smaller groups or smaller ships, or at least allow them. -----sig-starts-here------ Ok I need a new sig so...
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:30:00 - [11] No. Sentries are just another factor to consider for PVP, and do not hinder my PVP if I'm determined to kill my targets. For example: A pirate Abbadon was killing haulers in Kheram. He killed my corpies hauler earlier, and I knew he'd have sentry aggro. I turned up in Megathron and began to melt him to scrap. Unexpectedly, his ganged 'NPC' friend in a Raven showed up and made it a very interesting fight. Result: Abaddon destroyed with Raven running in armour, Megathron's tank just into hull. Thank god for sentries making this fight possible. Not to pooh pooh your idea before you post it but sentries are something that are not broken, they work well and do not require fixing/improving really. They give good sensible limitations to Empire PVP, but do not stop it altogether. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
iiOs	Posted - 2007.12.04 06:31:00 - [12] they force me to mine:(
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:06:00 - [13] Where there's a will to PvP there's a way Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues.
Ranges	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:15:00 - [14] No :) They keep me coming to low sec since it reduces the chances of a gatecamp :) And if it's a gatecamp that's solid enough to tank the sentries and get my ship, they've earned it.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Rooker Do you occasionally want to go looking for some PvP in lowsec, but don't do it because the sentry guns force you to use a big, expensive HAC, battlecruiser or battleship to survive them shooting at you? Or Are you a pirate that camps gates in a BS/BC when you'd rather being using something smaller, or a beginner pirate in a frigate and forced to look for noobs in the belts because the sentry guns would fry you? Whichever question is more relevant to you, give me a yes or no please. I'm going to make a post about changing the sentry guns in the "Ideas" forum soon. Before I do, I want to see how many other people are frustrated by the lowsec sentry guns as they are right now. As for me, my answer is "yes". Let me tell you a secret, there is a place where there are no sentry's!!
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Awox I don't think that will happen, anyone 5 day old alt-character could fit 2 7.5km scrams and start killing haulers. I think perhaps instead of removing them completely they just need to be altered to make fighting in small ships at gates in low-sec safer. One such possible change is to re-implement tracking on the sentry guns, and buff their DPS. I run a low-sec transport company and I would be fine with that change. Tracking on sentry's?? woot woot, im so gonna camp low-sec with a nano ship.
Vito Parabellum Fivrelde Corp	Posted - 2007.12.04 07:34:00 - [17] Sentries are ok, they dont do that much damage and they randomly switch between ships and drones. We do not need frig sized ships insta tackling and then warping away while the bigger ships takes care of the rest. And you can kill a hauler in a platerax alone. Sentryguns are fine. ------ When you say "no one's perfect", Chuck Norris takes this as a personal insult.
Lazarann Ideal Machine	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:06:00 - [18] I've spent the last week or so with my alt pvping in low sec in a Maller. I haven't had to go near sentry guns and I've still got some fun fights and a decent amount of kills. Of course, I would have had more kills if I could sit on a gate and gank each and every hauler that comes through, but then again, that's why 0.0 exists. Without sentry guns, what's the point to low sec?
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2007.12.04 08:07:00 - [19] no, the sentry guns are not the reason why I don't pvp in lowsec. By giving any more info to my answer I might derail your thread, so i'll stick to a simple no answer.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:06:00 - [20] I'm afraid you won't get your wish. Ten thousand of CCP's favourite Rice Farming accounts hauling soil in and out of Loes, Jovainnnon etc wouldn't really like a punisher popping them indefinitely. They will take your idea, they will assess it's effect on how much crystal meth, and disease ridden ladies they can fit on the CCP summer yacht, and file your idea firmly under "B". Personally I'd prefer to not get warp scrammed at every single lowsec by a pesky opportunistic fly also. Warp to Zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Warp to zero, jump, pop the fly. Can I macro that seeing I Ctrl-C Ctrl-V'd it...? -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Lone Solo Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:28:00 - [21] Could someone explain to me that with posts such as this one how is it that peacefull players are called carebears and whiners? This thread is a Im not good enough so make the game easier for me whine if I ever saw one. Nuff said!
RiotRick Black-Sun Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:41:00 - [22] 0.0
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:47:00 - [23] no... they are very easy to perma tank... you can really feel the awesome firepower of concord in them loled :P
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:52:00 - [24] Edited by: Gamesguy on 04/12/2007 11:53:53 Edited by: Gamesguy on 04/12/2007 11:52:24 IMO sentries should hit a lot harder and further BUT lose its uber tracking of doom, something more inline with a battleship gun. Fighting under sentries should be a serious disadvantage instead of a minor inconvenience, but recons and frigs would be usable again. Oh and to counter nano gangs, perhaps add a neutralizer battery. Oh, and it wouldnt target drones unless they're heavies.
Polinus	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Celeritas 5k /me raises hand Sentry guns are as much of a problem for the people fighting pirates as it is for the pirates! And it sucks that you can't pvp in lowsec in anything smaller than a BC The guilt on that is WTZ!
Ararius Earned In Blood Divine Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Ararius on 04/12/2007 12:03:26 I tend to engage ships under sentry in my vaga Im pretty sure my corp has a betting pool on when im going to lose it (Still my first one) Besides, play your cards right, and the sentries are on YOUR side Im ugly, just look at my face!
Gal'tashec Gallente Raptus Regaliter Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Kessiaan We already have big regions free of sentry guns, they're called 0.0. How about if you don't want to deal with politics... Or blobs... Or POS yawnathon warfare.. Or Capitals-Online (at least some of it) Or 3 hour long ops that don't do anything.. Yeah. There are lots of 0.0 place where you can avoid all of the above. There are plenty of pirate corporations that live and prosper in 0.0. I'll point you in one direction to get you stated Syndicate is ----> that way --- Vice CEO of Raptus Regaliter Always in the lookout for good pilots and corporations.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 04/12/2007 11:53:53 Edited by: Gamesguy on 04/12/2007 11:52:24 IMO sentries should hit a lot harder and further BUT lose its uber tracking of doom, something more inline with a battleship gun. Fighting under sentries should be a serious disadvantage instead of a minor inconvenience, but recons and frigs would be usable again. Oh and to counter nano gangs, perhaps add a neutralizer battery. Oh, and it wouldnt target drones unless they're heavies. 10km/s crows tackling everything that goes through a gate with sentries not having sentry problems? It would keep too many people away from low-sec, and be, long-term, very bad. Is it before or after it gets hit by the neutralizer battery? You could always code it to go after smaller ships first.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:17:00 - [29] In short no. I myself can deal with bubbles in low sec if they help me combat the nanogangs, they're the real scourge of low sec not sentryguns. That and the permabroken docking mechanics. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Gal'tashec Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Kessiaan We already have big regions free of sentry guns, they're called 0.0. How about if you don't want to deal with politics... Or blobs... Or POS yawnathon warfare.. Or Capitals-Online (at least some of it) Or 3 hour long ops that don't do anything.. Yeah. There are lots of 0.0 place where you can avoid all of the above. There are plenty of pirate corporations that live and prosper in 0.0. I'll point you in one direction to get you stated Syndicate is ----> that way Not been there for quite a while, have you? :) Whenever you engage you are to expect two things: A blobtastic fight or boom What's that? lulz they dropped a carrier on us, noobz, booooooom Behold our mom. Etc. Gets old fast.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Leilani Solaris on 04/12/2007 12:56:44 Originally by: Rooker Do you occasionally want to go looking for some PvP in lowsec, but don't do it because the sentry guns force you to use a big, expensive HAC, battlecruiser or battleship to survive them shooting at you? Or Are you a pirate that camps gates in a BS/BC when you'd rather being using something smaller, or a beginner pirate in a frigate and forced to look for noobs in the belts because the sentry guns would fry you? Whichever question is more relevant to you, give me a yes or no please. I'm going to make a post about changing the sentry guns in the "Ideas" forum soon. Before I do, I want to see how many other people are frustrated by the lowsec sentry guns as they are right now. As for me, my answer is "yes". I pirate in a battleship most of the time and kill things while tanking sentries. I prefer it like this rather than running around in a small ship scanning stuff down for it to warp away. Although it is annoying when small things get by you all the time.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:01:00 - [32] Without sentries lowsec would be 0.0.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Danton Marcellus In short no. I myself can deal with bubbles in low sec if they help me combat the nanogangs, they're the real scourge of low sec not sentryguns. That and the permabroken docking mechanics. Nanogangs scourge of low-sec? I see more 'conventional' gangs then nano-gangs wherever I go in low-sec. And bubbles in low-sec is a truly idiotic idea: it'd make for almost impenetrable camps and we'd see a huge decline in low-sec traffic. It'd be like 0.0 without the rewards, really brilliant idea. I see nothing broken about docking. If you want to fight, stop station camping. Rifters!
Hanns Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.04 13:06:00 - [34] Yall shoulda played eve on release, many low sec systems had no sentry guns but then people like m0o, spaceinvaders, palladins of the red skull, m3g4 and other unsavory types camped high traffic systems (of the day) like mara, passari, obe, hakonen, sarum prime all day long and people cried untill the dev's got in concord ships trying to diswade them from there wrong doings and eventually changed the game, and took away our fun. sigh... thos were the days Originally by: Tuxford a new retribution bonus +1 med slot per level
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:53:00 - [35] Alright, thx. I'm assuming the forum goes down while they're patching, so I'll make my post after it comes back. We're discussing it already on SHC if you want to see what I have in mind. It definitely does NOT allow invulnerable, permanent gate camps. That's what we have already and my idea fixes that. -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:15:00 - [36] Sentries are fine except that they shoot drones. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:18:00 - [37] Yes. Sometimes I'm on a gate and I see a neutral or red and I would normally shoot them, but don't because my ship isn't sentry tanked. But thats kind of their point. So good for them. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Eizana Amarr Scyanis	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:53:00 - [38] Sentry guns don't really stop ships with too weak a tank from participating in low sec gate camping - they just stop them from camping solo. Scout reports someone coming through, one gang member in heavily tanked ship grabs aggro from sentries by shooting up an alt or something, next 30 seconds the sentries focus fire on him. During this time you can tackle, scram/web the target with a smaller ship that got better locking time - people use sensor boosted recon and afs that aren't tanked to handle sentry fire but don't inta-pop either if the guns switch and start shooting at them. After that your gang mates take over the tackling and the smaller ship can warp away and repair. As a low sec pirate you just accept the fact that if you're in a smaller weaker ship you don't camp gates alone, and if you want to camp gates better do so with a small gang - and i wouldn't say that this is particularly frustrating.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Danton Marcellus In short no. I myself can deal with bubbles in low sec if they help me combat the nanogangs, they're the real scourge of low sec not sentryguns. That and the permabroken docking mechanics. Nanogangs scourge of low-sec? I see more 'conventional' gangs then nano-gangs wherever I go in low-sec. And bubbles in low-sec is a truly idiotic idea: it'd make for almost impenetrable camps and we'd see a huge decline in low-sec traffic. It'd be like 0.0 without the rewards, really brilliant idea. I see nothing broken about docking. If you want to fight, stop station camping. You've obviously never been to Gusandall. As for not camping stations to PvP, I write that off as ignorance, you having been around what a few months... From my understanding we'll have bubbles in low sec any day now with the Heavy Interdictors. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:48:00 - [40] lol@topic Sentries are fine.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:50:00 - [41] thats why you suicide gank in high sec ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem

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