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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:56:00 -
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This saturday/sunday im off to a mates house, were getting drunk, playing poker, playing drinking games, getting take out, having more drinks then watching the boxing.
My hearts with hatton, i hope he beats the brains out of mayweather to put him in his place.
However, hatton bleeds easy and this may cause him the match (alongside mayweather is a damn good boxer).
Hatton (my opinion) has to take out/deal enough damage within the first 2-4 rounds to win the fight or else mayweather is going to use his range and power to wear Hatton down.
Whos your money on?
Who do you want to win?
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Twoguns
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:24:00 -
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THERES ONLY ONE RICKY HATTON!
I hope Hatton beats the Sh*t out of him, Mayweather is extremely irritating...
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Stubnitz
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:13:00 -
[3]
I have been waiting for this for a long time..
Hatton does bleed but Mayweather's hands are not in a good way. Hopefully it get's decided on neither.
It will be a long fight. I think Hattons body work will be the key..hopefully producing a postive result for the hitman..
Can't wait..
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Caiman Graystock
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:54:00 -
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Hatton is always sidelined as the underdog. He'll win this.
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Dan Glebitts
One Ton Banana
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:31:00 -
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I hope to god Hatton caves his head in. Mayweather is the epitome of*****y bastard. Any man who refers to himself in the 3rd person deserves to get beaten badly
but I think it will be a tough fight for him to win.
Come On Hatton!
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:53:00 -
[6]
i reckon it'll be stopped in the 5th, with hatton taking the win.
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:43:00 -
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Fight night's gettin close, cant wait 
Hatton > Mayweather.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Intergalactic Space Defense Force
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:31:00 -
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Hatton to win it for sure!.
When it comes to big fights between British and American boxers us Brits tend to come out on top!. Cooper v Ali, Lewis v Tyson etc
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.08 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 08/12/2007 02:47:53
If you guys are so sure hatton will win I'm sure you'll put some isk into it :)...I'll bet you 10 million each to the above posters that Mayweather takes it.
Edit: lol I hope gambling is allowed on the forums ;).
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Stubnitz
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:34:00 -
[10]
 Originally by: Captain Hudson
When it comes to big fights between British and American boxers us Brits tend to come out on top!. Cooper v Ali,
Cooper lost 
Quote:
If you guys are so sure hatton will win I'm sure you'll put some isk into it :)...I'll bet you 10 million each to the above posters that Mayweather takes it
Want to up it? Contact me in game
Just watched the weigh in.
Rickys lot have travelled in numbers as usual, it's going to feel more like a home bout for Hatton.
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Stats:
Floyd 'The Pretty Boy' Mayweather
Career: 38 (KO24) - 0 - 0
Ricky 'The Hitman' Hatton
Career: 43 (KO31) - 0 - 0
Tale of the Tape
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(Hatton's stats first)
Height: 5'7" vs 5'8 3/4"
Weight: 147lbs vs 147lbs
Reach: 65" vs 72"
Neck: 15" vs 16 1/2"
Chest: (normal): 37" vs 38 1/2"
Chest: (expanded): 39" vs 39 1/2"
Bicep: 13" vs 12 1/2"
Forearm: 9 1/2" vs 11"
Wrist: 7" vs 7"
Fist: 11 1/2" vs 8"
Waist: 30" vs 31"
Thigh: 20 1/2" vs 22"
Calf: 14 1/2" vs 15"
Ankle: 10" vs 9 1/2"
Make of that what you will..
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Shiyama
Symtec Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.08 07:31:00 -
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i'll take a bet with anyone.
I'll put 50m on Hatton to win. If you fancy that bet then stick a post up here. Whoever replies first wanting to take that bet i'll make it with.
Come on Hitman!
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Gladiator Jonny on 08/12/2007 10:03:25
Originally by: Rialtor
Edited by: Rialtor on 08/12/2007 02:47:53
If you guys are so sure hatton will win I'm sure you'll put some isk into it :)...I'll bet you 10 million each to the above posters that Mayweather takes it.
Edit: lol I hope gambling is allowed on the forums ;).
Deal. ill take that bet
Originally by: Shiyama
i'll take a bet with anyone.
I'll put 50m on Hatton to win. If you fancy that bet then stick a post up here. Whoever replies first wanting to take that bet i'll make it with.
Come on Hitman!
ill match this bet too cant vote against the hitman tho.
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Crimson Onyx
the united
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:09:00 -
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Mayweather being the best fighter ever thats not true yet, but you need to respect his style. You may call it running, but he is simply the smarter fighter. He can n will swarm all over you given the chance, ex. watch the Gatti or N'dou match. When he can't slug with you, he will stay away, time his shots to perfection and either weaken you then come in for the KO, or just take the fight on decision. I wish he was a more daring boxer, but I understand the personal satisfaction of never losing.
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:29:00 -
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Yea, hatton just needs to get in witihn the first few rounds brawler style and do enough damage so mayweather doesnt recover.
Im not doubting mayweathers ability,i just dont like him nor his style.
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Scots Crusader
Minmatar
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:33:00 -
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I think this will be a classic. 2 contrasting styles with Mayweather the fighter for the boxing purists and Hatton for the power and haed on approach fans. I cannot pick a winner, I hope Hatton does it, but the speed of Mayweather's hands could open him up and leave him loosing to a cut.
Hatton on the other hand does awesome body work and this will slow a boxer down better than anything else. All in all, looks like a great fight, I just hope it lives up to all the hype now.
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To see oursels as ithers see us!
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:46:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Rialtor
Edited by: Rialtor on 08/12/2007 02:47:53
If you guys are so sure hatton will win I'm sure you'll put some isk into it :)...I'll bet you 10 million each to the above posters that Mayweather takes it.
Edit: lol I hope gambling is allowed on the forums ;).
Nice to see you backing up your opinion with some action.
If you're so confident of Mayweather's impending victory, surely you'd be willing to offer odds... after all, evens on Hatton when you're sure he's going to lose is hardly fair.
I'd be interested in a 100 million ISK bet on Hatton's victory, but I'd like odds... say 6/4 as that seems to be the current price.
That way, if I win, I can afford to buy a new BS (and fittings) to chase you guys in next time you war dec what you think is an industrial corp with no pvp'ers. 
Offer open to you Rialtor right up until the fight kicks off. Post here if you accept.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 08/12/2007 15:37:22
Originally by: Jago Kain
Originally by: Rialtor
Edited by: Rialtor on 08/12/2007 02:47:53
If you guys are so sure hatton will win I'm sure you'll put some isk into it :)...I'll bet you 10 million each to the above posters that Mayweather takes it.
Edit: lol I hope gambling is allowed on the forums ;).
Nice to see you backing up your opinion with some action.
If you're so confident of Mayweather's impending victory, surely you'd be willing to offer odds... after all, evens on Hatton when you're sure he's going to lose is hardly fair.
I'd be interested in a 100 million ISK bet on Hatton's victory, but I'd like odds... say 6/4 as that seems to be the current price.
That way, if I win, I can afford to buy a new BS (and fittings) to chase you guys in next time you war dec what you think is an industrial corp with no pvp'ers.
Offer open to you Rialtor right up until the fight kicks off. Post here if you accept.
I'm not sure May Weather will win. If I were to put percentages on it, I'd say 60-65%-35-40%. So I'm making a even value bet because they are sure :).
And I can't really bet more than 100 mill, that's all I have right now. That's why I'm betting 10 mill to the above posters. If I had more I'd bet more :), and can't spend the day mission running cause I'm going to a wedding...ironically, I'm going to miss the fight, which sucks.
Edit:
Ok so Bets:
Jago: 10 million
Gladiator Jonny: 10 million
Stubnitz: 10 million
Ok so 3 takers thus far. If it's only you 3 I'll up it to 20 mill?
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:14:00 -
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Okey doke.
Howabout 50 mill at evens then?
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Intergalactic Space Defense Force
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Hudson on 08/12/2007 16:17:37
Originally by: Stubnitz
Originally by: Captain Hudson
When it comes to big fights between British and American boxers us Brits tend to come out on top!. Cooper v Ali,
Cooper lost
Quote:
If you guys are so sure hatton will win I'm sure you'll put some isk into it :)...I'll bet you 10 million each to the above posters that Mayweather takes it
Want to up it? Contact me in game
Just watched the weigh in.
Rickys lot have travelled in numbers as usual, it's going to feel more like a home bout for Hatton.
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Stats:
Floyd 'The Pretty Boy' Mayweather
Career: 38 (KO24) - 0 - 0
Ricky 'The Hitman' Hatton
Career: 43 (KO31) - 0 - 0
Tale of the Tape
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(Hatton's stats first)
Height: 5'7" vs 5'8 3/4"
Weight: 147lbs vs 147lbs
Reach: 65" vs 72"
Neck: 15" vs 16 1/2"
Chest: (normal): 37" vs 38 1/2"
Chest: (expanded): 39" vs 39 1/2"
Bicep: 13" vs 12 1/2"
Forearm: 9 1/2" vs 11"
Wrist: 7" vs 7"
Fist: 11 1/2" vs 8"
Waist: 30" vs 31"
Thigh: 20 1/2" vs 22"
Calf: 14 1/2" vs 15"
Ankle: 10" vs 9 1/2"
Make of that what you will..
But Ali's trainer cheated so cooper won really
i will throw 10m isk into the ring for a Hatton win! (excause the pun)
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benzss
Templar Securities and Holdings
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:28:00 -
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I don't really follow boxing, but I just hope Mayweather gets a ******* good hiding because he's a collossal ****.
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Stubnitz
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:58:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Rialtor
If it's only you 3 I'll up it to 20 mill?
Yep.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Intergalactic Space Defense Force
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 20:45:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Captain Hudson on 08/12/2007 20:45:24
Mayweather seems to think he just has to turn up to win the fight.
Anyone else find his uncle roger the most annoying person ever?, the guy chats a lot of **** for a nobody, heck i will fight him for a fee of 50p
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Stubnitz
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:05:00 -
[23]
Not long to go chaps
Anyone watch the Khan fight?
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:11:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Stubnitz
Not long to go chaps
Anyone watch the Khan fight?
No i blinked and missed it.
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Weeman
Caldari
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:30:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Stubnitz
Anyone watch the Khan fight?
Yeah all the build up - 'ohhh theres lots of bad blood between these two...' etc.
BING BANG POW
And hes gone. Then he claims the fight shouldn't have been stopped. Biggest waste of time ever.
HALF HOUR TO GO!
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Sita Kahyet
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:44:00 -
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Hatton will knock that smug look of mayweathers face i have no doubt. Got a feeling we'll see something similar to the calzaghe v manfredo fight. Owned. :)
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Gigbod
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:01:00 -
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yay come on fight fans!
I don't like the sound of a 7 inches of extra reach Mayweahter has over Hatton
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KenDoll
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:04:00 -
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im getting goose bumps listening to all the brit fans in the arena chanting "rule britannia"
(hooray for internet streaming.. )
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Gigbod
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:06:00 -
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Heh yeah streaming is great
I am using Sopcast - and then I will stream the commentary via BBC Five Live on Real Player and synch it
what are you streaming it with?
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Gigbod
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:14:00 -
[30]
Yeah basically -
if it goes the distance, Mayweather probably wins
if Hatton cuts up early, Mayweather probably wins
but if Hatton gets the big body shots in like in his last fight, Mayweather might crumple in around 6th or so.
Any points thing will go to Mayweahter though - those judges don't get confused by the nutty British crowd!
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:41:00 -
[31]
Live Blog - Fight scheduled to start 4 minutes on PPV |
Menkaure
Amarr
Vanitas Corp.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:44:00 -
[32]
Why am I awake at 04:45 on a sunday morning eagerly waiting for a boxing match to start when ive not cared one bit about the sport up until now?
I think I've succumbed to the hype, dammit. Thats bad isn't it....
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:46:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/12/2007 04:46:02
I hope to Mayweather wins, simply because the British fans at the event have no class. |
KenDoll
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/12/2007 04:46:02
I hope to Mayweather wins, simply because the British fans at the event have no class.
or the american fans are just boring and stupid :p
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:51:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Menkaure
Why am I awake at 04:45 on a sunday morning eagerly waiting for a boxing match to start when ive not cared one bit about the sport up until now?
I think I've succumbed to the hype, dammit. Thats bad isn't it....
Yeah. I have no interest in boxing. None. But I read the posts and did a Google on the event, and it looks like it should be a good fight. I can watch any active sports competition if their action and isn't one-sided. I am not paying the amount they want for PPV, so - I'll refresh that live blog every now and then. |
Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:52:00 -
[36]
Originally by: KenDoll
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/12/2007 04:46:02
I hope to Mayweather wins, simply because the British fans at the event have no class.
or the american fans are just boring and stupid :p
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KenDoll
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:52:00 -
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get sopcast and google live streams, there's plenty to watch.
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Ada Kahyet
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:33:00 -
[38]
okay was decent by mayweather... well fought... but he's still an arrogant idiot.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:34:00 -
[39]
Didn't see the fight, just got in from the wedding like 5 minutes ago. Thanks for that link to the live blog, I was following it:
Sorry to all the brit fans, always sucks when someone you're routing for gets knocked out.
But look on the bright side, at least I'm 50 million isk richer :).
So 20 from Jago and Stub, and since Gladiator never responded past the 10 million bet, 10 from him :).
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Yasumi
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:38:00 -
[40]
another proof that the british suck at sports
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Gigbod
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:38:00 -
[41]
Well he seems to have something to be arrogant about!
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:42:00 -
[42]
Unlucky hatton. It was a good long fight.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:44:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Rialtor on 09/12/2007 05:45:23
Very arrogant, I've always found Mayweather odd. Most arrogant people tend to let it show up in their training. But Mayweather has the drive to stay on his game. It's odd to see someone with that kind of dedication, but at the same time show that sort of immaturity.
For all his arrogance, he's a masterful boxer. Not unbeatable, I personally think Paul Williams would stomp on mayweather.
Edit: I actually enjoyed the betting, perhaps I'll do it again on some other fight. I'm also an MMA fan if you guys are interested :).
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:45:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Gigbod
Well he seems to have something to be arrogant about!
Ha ha.
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Stubnitz
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 05:50:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Rialtor
Didn't see the fight, just got in from the wedding like 5 minutes ago. Thanks for that link to the live blog, I was following it:
Sorry to all the brit fans, always sucks when someone you're routing for gets knocked out.
But look on the bright side, at least I'm 50 million isk richer :).
So 20 from Jago and Stub, and since Gladiator never responded past the 10 million bet, 10 from him :).
Isk sent.
Out classed but still proud..
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Crimson Onyx
the united
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Posted - 2007.12.09 08:57:00 -
[46]
Hatton only landed 63 punches, enough said.
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Logi3
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 10:17:00 -
[47]
As much as i love Hatton, he was just not good enough. Mayweather just waited to mid rounds to start popping out his combos which seemed to never miss Hatton
Hatton was doing all the work, but jus wasnt landing any decent punches.
Good try Hatton, but i think Light Welt is the limit for you mate, hope you dont retire!
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Gok Tor
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 11:46:00 -
[48]
Wouldn't of changed the outcome of the fight but that ref was pathetic, mayweather was ducking under the waist and he was blaming hatton for it, Also early rounds he wouldn't let hatton fight on the inside, everytime they got close ref pulled them apart, wasn't until later rounds the ref let him fight on the inside. If twas a good fight, suprised at the end how sportsman like mayweather was, instead if being the arragonat ***** he normally is, he came up said good fight and all that.
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armas
Gallente
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 13:48:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
No, there is no class whatsoever in booing any nation's national anthem.
Stop taking yourselves so seriously. If you get offended by fans booing your anthem at a sporting event then you have no clue.
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Valeria Wolf
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.12.09 13:50:00 -
[50]
Originally by: armas
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
No, there is no class whatsoever in booing any nation's national anthem.
Stop taking yourselves so seriously. If you get offended by fans booing your anthem at a sporting event then you have no clue.
I don't personally get offended by it, but I do think it's a pretty pathetic thing to do. Of all the things to boo someone for, people bother with a song? |
Weeman
Caldari
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 14:02:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: KenDoll
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/12/2007 04:46:02
I hope to Mayweather wins, simply because the British fans at the event have no class.
or the american fans are just boring and stupid :p
No, there is no class whatsoever in booing any nation's national anthem.
Tom Jones sang God Save the Queen properly. Short, loud and passionate. Your fella went on for half hour and was a right poser. I was booing at home.
Anyway booing the anthems just a bit of panto, you're over sensitive. Pffft Americans (ie. brash and obnoxious) lecturing about class is ludicrous.
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Gladiator Jonny
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.09 14:46:00 -
[52]
Ill send the isk soon.
Bad night, was drinking from 8 until the fight.... which started at around 5:55.
managed to stumble home at around 8, decided to take "a nap" and woke up at 2:30pm with the worlds biggest headache
p.s
Our 4000 fans were louder than any amount you could muster. remember that
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Ada Kahyet
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Posted - 2007.12.09 15:35:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 09/12/2007 04:46:02
I hope to Mayweather wins, simply because the British fans at the event have no class.
You should see our home matches :P
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Ithaca
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Mournival Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:20:00 -
[54]
Awesome fight. I was hoping Hatton would win. I think if Hatton had been allowed to get close and punch in the early rounds it may have been a different outcome. As it was the ref was telling Ricky to back off every time he closed. At least Mayweather was gracious in his victory. Shame there is little chance of a rematch.
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Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:40:00 -
[55]
I really should know better than to put my faith in a loud-mouth, Manc chav. Thanks a million Ricky... 20 of them in fact. Not that I'm bitter.
ISK sent Rialtor. Spend it wisely.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:28:00 -
[56]
In case anyone was wondering, everyone was a man of their word. All debts were paid  .
Are you guys actual boxing fans, or just British Franchise fans? I'd be willing to lay down more isk in the future.
I wouldn't mind laying some isk down vs. Calzaghe, I'm sure you'll be up for that. Depends on the next opponent though.
And if you follow MMA, I'd lay some money against Bisping depending on the opponent.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Intergalactic Space Defense Force
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:44:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Captain Hudson on 09/12/2007 18:45:05
Originally by: Rialtor
In case anyone was wondering, everyone was a man of their word. All debts were paid .
Are you guys actual boxing fans, or just British Franchise fans? I'd be willing to lay down more isk in the future.
I wouldn't mind laying some isk down vs. Calzaghe, I'm sure you'll be up for that. Depends on the next opponent though.
And if you follow MMA, I'd lay some money against Bisping depending on the opponent.
i will bet money on Calzaghe no matter what 'legend' or 'star' you americans face off against him, the guy is class. So when his next major fight comes around (which is next year in vegas hopefully!) send me a mail and i will bet with you!
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:57:00 -
[58]
At this rate, it looks like the opponent might be either Taylor/Pavlik/Roy Jones. I'd be up for some action on either one, depends on how Jones look though, personally I think he still has the tools to compete, he's just all messed up mentally.
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