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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:36:00 -
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Instead you get a 'google it". Show some common decency here people. Seriously what is wrong with everyone on here? It wasn't like this 6 months ago. This game used to have a great since of community where the older players helped the new and less experienced players who asked for fittings. Now this section of the forums is full of trolls that say "google it".
Every single one of you that responds with google it should be ashamed of yourselves. A lot of times when you google it the fits are outdated FYI. So my suggestion to all of you who feel like being jerks just because you can and because you lack proper social skills for whatever reason and because you will never see anyone from here in RL. Post a fitting or STFU.
- Torothin |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2763
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:42:00 -
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You arrogant so and so. A lot of people come here saying "Gimme a fit", without providing at least an attempt to give something as a discussion starting point.
You must realise that we play the game too (or at least the forum part of it) and don't get paid for it, and are not necessarily going to take a shine to people demanding handouts.
Someone asking "Does anybody have a [ship] fit for [purpose]? I can't seem to get my head around...etc etc" is a whole load better than simply posting "Durr give me a Tengu fit (subtext: I realise that this is a popular ship, and there must be fittings for it posted somewhere, but I can't be bothered doing anything for myself."
Also: google it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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David Darkstar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:46:00 -
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Agreed, however not only the case in this section. Same with all this 'troll' malarkey.
TopTip: If you don't want to be on a Forum, don't be on a Forum.
Not hard is it? |
A'Brantox Foson
15
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:49:00 -
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Most of the time, the fits here kinda suck, ull find battleclinic with its karma system offers superior advise. |
David Darkstar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:50:00 -
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Agreed with OP, however not only the case in this section. Same with all this 'troll' malarkey.
TopTip: If you don't want to be on a Forum, don't be on a Forum.
Not hard is it? |
Tenga Halaris
Rubicon Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:55:00 -
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Most people aren't providing enough information, to answer the question they asked. That's it.
-Shipclass
-Ship
-SP
-Place
-Purpose
-Problem / Suggestions
-Playstyle
...
More info, less trolling.
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:57:00 -
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It takes 5 mins to post a fit for someone that you know will help them out and that you think works. There are several times where we are spending more than 5 minutes spinning our internet spaceship on a station. I have played since 2003, take a 6 month break, and come back to this..... It's saddening that several of you are becomming "elitist jerks" on an internet spaceship game.... Be considerate people. |
stoicfaux
702
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:57:00 -
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Meh. If you follow the board, the questions do get redundant. However, to be fair to the clueless/newbies, threads on specific ships can be full of a mish-mash of opinions and subtleties that are scattered to the winds. The 'like' system doesn't significantly help identify the most useful posts, and good information often appears in threads after the thread has gone off-topic which makes searching difficult.
Personally, I miss Ye Olde Sticky Thread With an Organized List of Common Fits from the forums of yore.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:01:00 -
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Tenga Halaris wrote:Most people aren't providing enough information, to answer the question they asked. That's it.
-Shipclass
-Ship
-SP
-Place
-Purpose
-Problem / Suggestions
-Playstyle
...
More info, less trolling.
The other day I asked for a Tengu fit, for 0.0 ratting behind enemy lines, that could break officer spawns, and cloak. I got trolled to hell and back. Not sure how I could be mroe specific to what I was looking for. 8 responses and ONE person posted a fit. It used to not be like this on here. i don't care that I was trolled. I laughed. But it is a recurring situation on here and says a lot about our community and potential new subscribers... |
Tenga Halaris
Rubicon Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:20:00 -
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Not sure if serious.jpg
A tiny bit of understanding the game mechanics would help to figure out, that the fit you recommended, is more or less impossible if you can't refit your tengu (claimed space).
Officer NPC are dealing a lot of DMG and have a decent tank, while you wnat to be able to bubbleproof- covertwarp around in 0.0, which limits DPS and Tank. |
Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:24:00 -
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Tenga Halaris wrote:Not sure if serious.jpg
A tiny bit of understanding the game mechanics would help to figure out, that the fit you recommended, is more or less impossible if you can't refit your tengu (claimed space).
Officer NPC are dealing a lot of DMG and have a decent tank, while you wnat to be able to bubbleproof- covertwarp around in 0.0, which limits DPS and Tank.
If it's impossible to have a cloaky tengu that can break officer spawns then why did 3-5 people tell me to "google it"? And FYI with maxed skills I'm pretty sure there is a fit that can do just that. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
746
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:28:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Meh. If you follow the board, the questions do get redundant. However, to be fair to the clueless/newbies, threads on specific ships can be full of a mish-mash of opinions and subtleties that are scattered to the winds. The 'like' system doesn't significantly help identify the most useful posts, and good information often appears in threads after the thread has gone off-topic which makes searching difficult.
Personally, I miss Ye Olde Sticky Thread With an Organized List of Common Fits from the forums of yore.
I've been thinking of putting together a "Liang Approved" list of ship fits with some description of how to fit and fly them. Then I remembered that not everyone agrees with me and that's a lot of work for no pay and... well, probably lots of arguments and flaming. And hell, I don't even PVE anymore (at all) so I feel like I wouldn't be the best person to tell you what the latest Incursion or plexing Tengu fit is.
Anyway, such a thread would be nice but I'm not sure it'd serve any more purpose than the (terrible) Battleclinic fits do. IMO people should just post their questions. If they don't post it right, then they'll get a lesson in communication - so the time isn't really wasted. If they post it right then there's an exchange of information, ideas, and even a bit of companionship - so the time isn't really wasted.
/shrug
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2012.02.02 18:25:00 -
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i woud say bing it but bing is ghey...
so use google :P |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
287
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:12:00 -
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Torothin wrote:If it's impossible to have a cloaky tengu that can break officer spawns then why did 3-5 people tell me to "google it"?
FWIW, I told you it was impossible.
Quote:And FYI with maxed skills I'm pretty sure there is a fit that can do just that.
They boosted the DPS, tank (both EHP and regen) and speed of officers as an anti-botting measure. Worked pretty well for a week, would be flying through Venal and see at least 2-3 Tengu/Drake wrecks every time I roamed. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
445
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:17:00 -
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The issue is, as Bumble said, when people are just being lazy and want to be spoonfed. People who are willing to put the effort into atleast giving it a bit of a try will find a lot of help (though still a bit of trolling).
If people come to the forums saying something along the lines of "I've been playing around in EFT for a fit to use on X ship with Y purpose, but I can't seem to get it to my tastes. Here's the fit, does anyone have any suggestions on how to make it better?" will get lots of helpful responses about how they could make their fit better.
Someone coming on saying "Someone give me a fit for X" or "I want to use X ship to do Y" clearly haven't even attempted to figure out a fit on their own before coming on the forums to beg for fits (and then get indignant when they aren't given exactly what they wanted, despite it being impossible or the OP not giving details on what they wanted).
Here's a hint: random people on forums actually care even less about your fit then you do. If you can't be bothered to even try to make a fit yourself, most people don't care to help you either. However, if you atleast make a go at it yourself (either EFTing or searching around a bit) before coming on asking for someone to do it for you, you'll end up finding tons of helpful replies on how to make the fit better. |
M'ktakh
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:35:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I've been thinking of putting together a "Liang Approved" list of ship fits with some description of how to fit and fly them. Then I remembered that not everyone agrees with me and that's a lot of work for no pay and... well, probably lots of arguments and flaming. And hell, I don't even PVE anymore (at all) so I feel like I wouldn't be the best person to tell you what the latest Incursion or plexing Tengu fit is.
-Liang
Name your (reasonable) price (in ISK), I'm quite sure the community could throw it together.
I'll put up 500M. |
Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:40:00 -
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M'ktakh wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I've been thinking of putting together a "Liang Approved" list of ship fits with some description of how to fit and fly them. Then I remembered that not everyone agrees with me and that's a lot of work for no pay and... well, probably lots of arguments and flaming. And hell, I don't even PVE anymore (at all) so I feel like I wouldn't be the best person to tell you what the latest Incursion or plexing Tengu fit is.
-Liang Name your (reasonable) price (in ISK), I'm quite sure the community could throw it together. I'll put up 500M.
Go on.... |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
EVE Animal Control
20
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Posted - 2012.02.03 17:58:00 -
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Torothin wrote:Instead you get a 'google it". Show some common decency here people. Seriously what is wrong with everyone on here? It wasn't like this 6 months ago. This game used to have a great since of community where the older players helped the new and less experienced players who asked for fittings. Now this section of the forums is full of trolls that say "google it".
Every single one of you that responds with google it should be ashamed of yourselves. A lot of times when you google it the fits are outdated FYI. So my suggestion to all of you who feel like being jerks just because you can and because you lack proper social skills for whatever reason and because you will never see anyone from here in RL. Post a fitting or STFU.
How does this look to potential new subscribers to this game?
- Torothin
Are you sure about that bolded part??? I can guarantee you that these forums were just as full of trolls, haters, "google it" people, ect six months ago, 1 year ago, two years ago, and if you take the time to look at posts all the way back to 2003 it doesn't get much better.
More to your point, sometimes google it is the correct answer. If person A asks for a fit, person B says google it, person A then googles it, person A finds the fit they are looking for. Seems pretty helpful to me.
Now if Person A were to say I'm looking for a fit to achieve X with, and I've already searched the forums and googled it and found fits such as this(explanation of fits here) but I am looking for something different like Y(say a fit that doesn't use a cap booster or something like that) that could still achieve X, they'd probably get some good responses.
"But what if the person doesn't know enough about what they want to know what to ask for!11?"
Well then they could say, "I'm really not sure what I need to achieve but I know I want to run lvl 3 missions, get into PVP for the first time, ect, I can fly caldari frigates and cruisers, what should i do?" That would probably result in some decent responses as well.
Now even if you take all my precautionary steps to popularity, people in general are dickheads and that only increases whilst on internet forums, so some replies are going to be trollish and what not. Ignore those.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
752
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Posted - 2012.02.03 18:11:00 -
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Torothin wrote:M'ktakh wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:I've been thinking of putting together a "Liang Approved" list of ship fits with some description of how to fit and fly them. Then I remembered that not everyone agrees with me and that's a lot of work for no pay and... well, probably lots of arguments and flaming. And hell, I don't even PVE anymore (at all) so I feel like I wouldn't be the best person to tell you what the latest Incursion or plexing Tengu fit is.
-Liang Name your (reasonable) price (in ISK), I'm quite sure the community could throw it together. I'll put up 500M. Go on....
Huh, I didn't expect anyone to be interested. I'll do a write up of one fit + usage per billion ISK received. It may or may not include videos - I have lots of "stock" footage for ships I fly frequently. Send me an evemail before you send the ISK - especially if you have a particular ship request - afterall I reserve the right to decline to talk about certain ships (either because I don't want to release Sekrit fits or because I don't feel I have enough recent relevant experience).
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Umega
Solis Mensa
93
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Posted - 2012.02.03 20:35:00 -
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Some people are done argueing with others about what is correct fit to use. Sure might get the round peg in the triangle hole, but then you have to do another one, and another one, and another one and it gets tiring n boring.
And there is no grand perfect fit. People's experince are going to be different from others for a variety of reasons.
Who and what their mates fly will/should dictate someone's fit.. and it could be different than someone elses. But both are perfectly reasonable given how they use them and WHO n the ships they fly use them with. And so these people will argue on here until hands thrown up n give up.
Two people could do similiar things.. but in different sigments of space at different times. A lowsec combat pilot vs another when comparing fits of a similiar ship.. one might see more (out of air example) amarrian cruisers n gallente frigs, the other might see more caldari cruisers n minnie frigs in each's respective lowsec area. Of course they going to argue what is best to fit the same ship, cause their majority of opponents and their opponents styles are different.. which dictate how they need to be to counter.
A highsec merc is going to encounter different things than a NPC null gang roamer. Also different mechanics in the space itself and what can be utalized and implemented. Both might end up arguing about the same ship.. while they come from completely different backgrounds despite both being quality combat pilots.
Some people are stuck in stereotypes.. so thoroughly buried in old styles and tactics, it can be next to impossible to convince some folk of 'new' ideas that you have made work effectively for scenarios and situations, 'new' counters and what not.
All n All.. some people are at the point of.. why bother. Too frustrating when just trying to help someone.
EDIT: And most of us are/have combat pilots.. and you kinda need to be a bit 'arrogant', alpha male complex.. when you're gunning around to be an elite combat pilot. Which is a catalyst towards the arguements and bullheaded stance of people on here. To be the best.. you got to first believe you are the best.. before you can beat the best! |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
752
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:19:00 -
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There's a lot of truth in this post. I want to expound on it and make a few additional points, but...
Umega wrote:All n All.. some people are at the point of.. why bother. Too frustrating when just trying to help someone.
Yeah, thats about right. I content myself with whooping ass in game, keeping my blog up to date, and making PVP videos.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Z'kaar Quasar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:28:00 -
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Torothin wrote:
How does this look to potential new subscribers to this game?
- Torothin
After being here just short amount of time, I can safely say that 99.99999% of the forum posters are just idiots and social rejects. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
111
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:50:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:There's a lot of truth in this post. I want to expound on it and make a few additional points, but... Umega wrote:All n All.. some people are at the point of.. why bother. Too frustrating when just trying to help someone. Yeah, thats about right. I content myself with whooping ass in game, keeping my blog up to date, and making PVP videos. -Liang
Liang always has good comebacks :)
People say it takes 5 minutes to post an answer but yet the same folks are taking just as long to argue a point and continue these threads which goes nowhere.
Better yet, just ignore a foolish thread and move onto the next. That takes no time whatsoever.
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Sicex
42
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Posted - 2012.02.03 23:46:00 -
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If people would ever use the Search function before coming onto these forums and asking for help with a fit, then people would start contributing to an archive-style library of fits. Until the overall intelligence of the community improves, which should be (always) right around the corner, contributing information and wisdom to those that are simply too ignorant to begin fending for themselves is only going to propagate the cycle of unintelligent posting.
The forums nowadays are for forcing new players to grow a skin and find information for themselves.
I prefer this function of the forums over hand-holding while we spoon feed you information that you will no doubt call into question based on your own limited view of the game. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.02.04 02:44:00 -
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I've always been one to help newbies out on ship fittings while I'm biding my time as a member of a newbie corp, off my own back.
BUT! I only do this if they have either tried their own ideas out and it needs tweaking, (or in some cases, outright burning down) and willingness to discuss different tactics and ideas behind the fits (so they actually learn, teach a man how to fish and all that) If they just want a fit, no effort and not even bothering to do any of their own work, then they aren't getting a word out of me. |
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